FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

"But if i'm not mistaken, Jean Grey could reach with her mind that were in other parts of the house, through walls."

Clearly missed the point where I noted how Psycho-Man failed due to her shield.

Also, I have a new question seeing as Draco is scared to answer my other one, not that it would matter. Kicking a dead corpse.

I'd like to know why everyone is saying "They could do this to the F4. They could do that", then saying "The F4 can't do that. She can't do that. It doesn't protect her from that." without actually reading the comics.

Sue, with her shield up, is invulnerable to telepathy and any other mental force. I'm not spoon feeding you info. Get off your asses and go buy some F4 comics.

-AC

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
Is thor stronger than phoenix?

Why'd you pick the weakest one?!

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
Your saying that her shields stood up to thor. But thor wasn't using mental force. He is an almost purely physical hero. So the shield was acting like a wall. But if i'm not mistaken, Jean Grey could reach with her mind that were in other parts of the house, through walls.

The point was the amount of force it's withstood.

Where's Wynndar and Beyonder with all their FF knowledge?!

So your basically saying that sue's shields are strong enough to stand up to anything. If that was true, she should have her own comic, instead of being on a team, cuz if she can do all of this shit then she has not need for the others.

"Sue, with her shield up, is invulnerable to telepathy and any other mental force. I'm not spoon feeding you info. Get off your asses and go buy some F4 comics."

Again no proof nor evidence. Just the "go buy the comics" mantra.

And how exactly can the FF4 defeat the X-Men? All I've heard is an uncorroborated defense theory. Not a speck of offense.

"And how exactly can the FF4 defeat the X-Men? All I've heard is an uncorroborated defense theory. Not a speck of offense."

I've posted evidence and you've replied to it like you always do. With complete ignorance. That's no insult, it's true.

"Telepathy isn't solely defined as a mental blast nor a psibolt. Jean doesn't need to unleash a big pink blob of pink energy to alter her thoughts our command her mind. A single thought is all that Jean requires. You're completely underestimating telepathy to a very narrow field when it isn't."

She cannot get through her shields with telepathy. Telepathy is NOT a bolt OR a blast. I keep saying this and you repeatedly ignore it.

Now lets separately refer to mind BOLTS and BLASTS. Because those can be classed as a concussive force (which lest we forget, Sue's shield protects against), then they are not getting through.

There, done. Read it and read it well. That's the 4th time I've explained it.

"You haven't won anything. You have not proved that Sue Storm can withstand telepathy. You have not proved how exactly the FF4 will defeat the X-Men. You haven't proved anything. You completely dodge the question each and everytime" Then.........."Again no proof nor evidence. Just the "go buy the comics" mantra."

I've proved, using your own Psycho-Man theory, that she can. I have that comic. He couldn't get her when her shield was up. You said "despite her shield, he turned her into Malice." No he didn't. He failed to get through her shield.

What have you proved besides the fact that you have a great ability to not read and dodge questions? Oh, and to read comics.

"Report Me? Please. Look at your previous posts. Insulting my intelligence and debasing me to nigh extent. I've already reported you. You'll lose this battle. I have not been stalking. I was in General Discussions way before you arrived. You are very very sad."

I said you have low comic intelligence and knowledge. You do. It's not an insult. Calling me sad, pathetic, and an idiot, over a comic battle, is an insult and is TRULY sad in the sense of the word.

LAST TIME Draco. Answer THIS question:

If someone is knocked unconscious, given a concussion, with a psionic or psychic blast, what is it called? A BLAST of a mental nature, not a blast from telepathy.

-AC

Uh... I'm like stupid when it comes to the FF so like I hope I am not offending anyone with my lameness, but If her shields are just invisible objects blocking stuff, and if they are solid, then how can she breathe?

"Uh... I'm like stupid when it comes to the FF so like I hope I am not offending anyone with my lameness, but If her shields are just invisible objects blocking stuff, and if they are solid, then how can she breathe?"

Thank you for admitting what we already know. I'm always willing to point someone in the direction of some good comics if they're looking to learn. What you shouldn't have done is come in here debating like you know stuff when you admittely do not. Respect to you though, you admitted it. Draco can't.

She can breathe because she's the one creating them. Ice-Man is made of Ice, he doesn't get cold though does he?

-AC

"If someone is knocked unconscious, given a concussion, with a psionic or psychic blast, what is it called? A BLAST of a mental nature, not a blast from telepathy."

It is a BLAST of mental nature. HOWEVER, Jean can do other things besides psychically blasting them into unconciousness. Erasing memories, altering senses, giving her a stroke, the list goes on. You refuse to approach this subject.

"I've proved, using your own Psycho-Man theory, that she can."

What theory? She was turned into Malice. Case closed. Psycho Man did not use telepathy. He used a emotional manipulating device. Jean is completely different.

"I said you have low comic intelligence and knowledge. You do. It's not an insult. Calling me sad, pathetic, and an idiot, over a comic battle, is an insult and is TRULY sad in the sense of the word."

Huh. Riiight. You've insulted my intelligence, called me stupid and various other delicately put insults. I've called your arguement "pathetic"
and your argument "idiotic" You just like to be proven right time and again. Running to the moderator because you can't take the heat is EXTREMELY sad.

I got to pack for tomorrow. If you want to continue this, either email me or PVM me. I'll respond as soon as I can.

I REALLY hate Ithaca in the winter. It's SOOOO cold. Nothing but snow and ice. It's like 5 degrees up there.

"It is a BLAST of mental nature. HOWEVER, Jean can do other things besides psychically blasting them into unconciousness."

Right so we agree that psionic and psychic BLASTS are a concussive force. We also agree that Jean is capable of more than that. Now we're getting somewhere.

"Jean can do other things besides psychically blasting them into unconciousness. Erasing memories, altering senses, giving her a stroke, the list goes on. You refuse to approach this subject."

I've approached it many times. All of those things rely on Jean's ability to penetrate Sue's field with telepathy and mind control powers. Psycho-Man tried breaking Sue's field with those same powers and failed. Not due to power, due to nature of power. Telepathy and mind control do NOT WORK when she's in her shields and as a result Jean cannot employ all of the skills you listen. She is capable of doing that to people yes, but not to Sue in this case.

"What theory? She was turned into Malice. Case closed. Psycho Man did not use telepathy. He used a emotional manipulating device. Jean is completely different."

You said in an earlier post that Psycho-Man did it DESPITE her shield. He didn't. He tried telepathy and mind powers on her with her shield up, failed and then waited till her shield was down (read the comic if you do not believe me and you will see it) then blasted her with the device.

"You've insulted my intelligence, called me stupid and various other delicately put insults. I've called your arguement "pathetic"
and your argument "idiotic" You just like to be proven right time and again. Running to the moderator because you can't take the heat is EXTREMELY sad."

Quote me. When did I say "Draco you are stupid"? Those exact words. When did I say that? Also, YOU insulted your OWN intelligence by doing exactly what you are doing now. Unless you can show me where you BELIEVE I insulted you, you cannot back it up.

As for running to the moderator you said you already reported me. So it looks like you did the running as I haven't actually reported you.

Anyway, topic.

F4 Vs X-Men.

I've gave you substantially comic references, using your OWN theories and my theories, as to why they would win. So have many other people. You choose to focus on me and Sue Storm. That's your choice. I can't MAKE you like her or MAKE you agree. You're wrong though. F4 would beat the X-Men in this thread. Colossus, Nightcrawler, Ice-Man and by your own admission, Jean Grey.

-AC

Sue doesn't sufficate because she can decide whether her fields breathe or are airtight.

Ummmm, ain't nobody reported nothin' to me.😐

Anyways, please try to keep the debate civilized.

With all due respect Tron I think if you look at the posts made that it's quite clear Draco is being blatantly and needlessly antagonistic. I can handle him but I'd rather you address him to keep the debate civilised. I'm not the one calling anyone pathetic, sad or idiot.

-AC

but you affirmed my self insult when i called myself stupid. You insulted me, thats not very civilized.

Well, if her shields let air to get her to breathe, doesn't that mean that stuff can get through it. So why couldn't telepathy get through it?

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
Well, if her shields let air to get her to breathe, doesn't that mean that stuff can get through it. So why couldn't telepathy get through it?

Because she has that level of control. Who's that guy similar to Human Torch? He can do a nova blast-like attack but decide what is burned and what's unharmed.

what? i have no idea what you said. She has that level of control?!?!

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
what? i have no idea what you said. She has that level of control?!?!

I mean she has the level of control that allows her to decide whether air will pass through her field or not. It's a forcefield, not a rubber wall.

hrm... But wouldn't she always have it like that, cuz if she didn't allow air to pass through, wouldn't she suffocate? And if she made a force field around the torch, then his flames would die. right?

"but you affirmed my self insult when i called myself stupid. You insulted me, thats not very civilized."

You initiated the insult. Don't blame me for your low self-esteem.

"hrm... But wouldn't she always have it like that, cuz if she didn't allow air to pass through, wouldn't she suffocate? And if she made a force field around the torch, then his flames would die. right?"

The fact that his flames are not oxygen born, due to being birthed by cosmic space rays (and of course there is no oxygen in space) means that oxygen depravation won't stop his flames. I see what you're saying coz fire need oxygen to burn. However Torch's fire is cosmic. She chooses if air can permeate her field. She doesn't open it up and let the air in.

Just read the comics. It's alot easier.

-AC