FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
hrm... But wouldn't she always have it like that, cuz if she didn't allow air to pass through, wouldn't she suffocate? And if she made a force field around the torch, then his flames would die. right?

A forcefield in itself is not a physical although it can repel physical objects. It's not like a clear plastic wall. She can will her forcefields to repel even the minute molecules of air.

Think like two magnets repeling each other. There's nothing physically touching but they push apart due to the magnetic field.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
With all due respect Tron I think if you look at the posts made that it's quite clear Draco is being blatantly and needlessly antagonistic. I can handle him but I'd rather you address him to keep the debate civilised. I'm not the one calling anyone pathetic, sad or idiot.

-AC

With all due respect, I don't give a damn who's starting what. I just ask that y'all keep it civilized. IF anyone's getting out of hand I'll deal with it. Until then, I don't need any finger pointing, just keep it civilized.

No need for a seemingly snappy reply when I was just saying that casting a view over everyone is surely worse than actually selecting the perpetrator.

If I called anyone sad or pathetic I'd get called up right away.

Whatever, was pointing it out is all.

-AC

if they repel minute molecules, then how would it block psyche, cuz they aren't really molecules. They are like thoughts.

"if they repel minute molecules, then how would it block psyche, cuz they aren't really molecules. They are like thoughts"

Try asking her.

In all honesty, the story of the F4 is that they're a family who got blasted by cosmic rays and it gave them powers. Who knows HOW they do what they do? The fact is, in the comics, their abilities are stated and Sue is invulnerable to mind attacks or probing while in her bubble.

Why are you continually looking for a way to poke holes in Sue's theory? You're not Draco under a different name are you 😉.

-AC

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
if they repel minute molecules, then how would it block psyche, cuz they aren't really molecules. They are like thoughts.

So she can construct both at the same time?

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
So she can construct both at the same time?

i still don't see how it can possible block thoughts? Can you me understand? Can you give it in a scientific way?

"i still don't see how it can possible block thoughts? Can you me understand? Can you give it in a scientific way?"

How can Spider-Man have the powers of a Spider? How can Deadpool regenerate? Etc etc.

It's a comic, there's not always an explanation in science.

"Blocking telepathy would be a permanent property of her forcefields and whether or not air can pass is something she controls. They would be one in the same."

Swanky said it right.

Go buy some, they're good.

-AC

Originally posted by laydiiplayette
i still don't see how it can possible block thoughts? Can you me understand? Can you give it in a scientific way?

Spider-man has the powers of a spider because a spider that was affected by some weird science power bit him. That is scientific. I don't really know who deadpool is... lol.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No need for a seemingly snappy reply when I was just saying that casting a view over everyone is surely worse than actually selecting the perpetrator.

If I called anyone sad or pathetic I'd get called up right away.

Whatever, was pointing it out is all.

-AC

Wasn't really meant to be snappy, but I did mean what I said. Doesn't matter to me who starts what, I just want it stopped, and if the individual instigating the situation continues, then they will be dealt with accordingly. Until then, I'll cast a general overview until I have to do otherwise. Makes my job easier, and the people that are actually doing it get the idea.

Anyways, I've gotten off topic long enough. If you have any more concerns with this, then pm me about it.

jeez, you guys (draco and ac) are like the same person and you hate each other for it. neither of you can really back up facts, but that doesn't matter because you'll never know whether or not Sue's shield blocks telepathy or if iceman could flash-freeze her or if the F4 would be somehow protected from a supernova unless you ask Stan Lee himself.

PS: if it is allowed to be new johnny and new sue, then it should be phoenix jean grey. and then the x-men win easily.

a much more interesting fight would be pre-herald johnny, pre-upgrade colossus, pre-upgrade sue, pre-upgrade iceman, and non-phoenix jean.

dear ac: though the mars volta rule, you are the online personification of comic book guy, smart, knowledgable, completely unreasonable, and with the maturity of your average teenager (of which i am one). therefore, draco wins. what were we talking about again?

Actually, Stan Lee could only tell you how those characters would've faired against one another during the time he was writing them, cause both characters have changed quite a bit with the different writers over the past 20 years.

i hope we can put this whole sue thing to rest. From the horse's mouth itself Marvel.com lists Sue's brain cells as being able to produce psionic force she can shape into highly resistant protective fields and relatively simple forms.

the site is qouted as saying that she has the psionic ability to manipulate ambient cosmic energy that enables her to bend light without distortion . note the operative prhase being "psionic abilty" that means it comes from her brain itself so its not a matter of "how can she breathe" she just can and thats all there is to it. lastly one of her powers are listed as"Projects incredibly durable invisible force fields."

that means she's massively invulnerable to EVERYTHING while her shield is up. operative phrase being "while her shield is up." plus the one thing i think that bolsters her resistance to mind attacks is because she basically has mind powers herself. it just makes sense

this is confirmed by the fact that i personally saw on a marvel RPG card(which are published and distributed by marvel BTW so yeah..they do count in debates) that her field provides her immunity for both physical and mental attacks, i believe the term used was "feedback"

its the same way that all psychics are invulnerable to pyschics of a lesser order. but they are below the food chain for someone more powerful than they are. it would have to take someone of extremely immesne power to bypass her force bubble. we can make a case for phoenix but not jean and not charles. and we all know that they are the MU's 1-2 punch for Earthen telepaths.

and another thing, lets not confuse greatly invulnerable with absolutley invulnerable. i am not making that case for her but she would have to be completely drained for someone to do her over....i hope this puts all this nonsense to bed so we can continue with the current line up of contests, which are sadly outmatched BTW. F4 has it the bag, accept it ppl. i swear, nobody's gonna hate you for it.

I'm not sure i understood all of that. So confusing o.o Well, I have to say that this was a good thread, and i learned alot from it.

Originally posted by manjaro
i personally saw on a marvel RPG card

"dear ac: though the mars volta rule, you are the online personification of comic book guy, smart, knowledgable, completely unreasonable, and with the maturity of your average teenager (of which i am one). therefore, draco wins. what were we talking about again?"

I didn't know you could win comic book debates by the way you post, not what you post. Draco ignored everything I posted for a long time because he "knew" if he didn't accept it, it wouldn't be "true".

As soon as he answered my question, he buckled and fell.

Like Manjaro said, it's in the bag for the F4. Accept it.

Pre-upgrade Ice-Man isn't gonna last a minute. Let's get that clear.

-AC

FF has nothing in the bag.

i'm not gonna quit this board, because this debate is certainly not over. The FF are facing the two most powerful x-men ever. here's how the fight goes:

Jean rips Thing, Mr. Fantastic, and human torch apart molecule by molecule while simultaneously putting an airtight telekinetic shield around invisible woman's invisible shield. invisible woman's suffocates and then gets ripped apart molecule by molecule for good measure. Iceman freezes all of the molecules into a large block of ice, and colosus hurls it into the sky. i'd say that ends the FF...