FF4 VS these 4 xmen i chose

Originally posted by Sentinel Boy
FF has nothing in the bag.

i'm not gonna quit this board, because this debate is certainly not over. The FF are facing the two most powerful x-men ever. here's how the fight goes:

Jean rips Thing, Mr. Fantastic, and human torch apart molecule by molecule while simultaneously putting an airtight telekinetic shield around invisible woman's invisible shield. invisible woman's suffocates and then gets ripped apart molecule by molecule for good measure. Iceman freezes all of the molecules into a large block of ice, and colosus hurls it into the sky. i'd say that ends the FF...

Oh, they are that ruthless.

OK.

Sue strom puts his forcefields on everyones brains and kils everyone of them in five seconds.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler

Sue strom puts his forcefields on everyones brains and kills everyone of them in five seconds.

Haha. If you had the decision on how the battle would go, then the FF is doomed. LMAO. YOu want Sue to get a sex change then kill everyone including herself.

"The FF are facing the two most powerful x-men ever. here's how the fight goes:"

No, it's how you think the fight goes. When these threads get to the point of people simulating what THEY THINK will happen, then claiming it as fact, they become boring and no longer fun. The idea is to take the characters powers into consideration and decide who would win.

FF have far more avenues to win, they would not lose this fight.

-AC

These versus forms are like cherries on an apple tree...

There just opinions.

Unless someone provides fact, they are opinions yes.

People take it into simulating the battles themselves according to who they like or how they believe it would go. It just removes from the fun.

-AC

Even fact doesnt matter, unless the battles have actually happened you really can never tell.

Fact does matter if it's applicable. It doesn't have to determine the outcome but it can be applied to strengthening an opinion on why someone would win a fight.

For example, it's a fact that Sue Storm is greatly invulnerable to telepathy while under her shields. Therefore when fighting a telepath it would be useful. That's a fact. If I were to say details of the battle, it wouldn't be fact, because the battle hasn't happened.

-AC

Fact doesnt matter against someone's opinion.

If I hate the hulk, and its fact he is god or something, do you think that fact matters to my opinion?

Thats what I mean. Anyways... Your signautre almost made me vomit.

"Fact doesnt matter against someone's opinion."

Yes it does. Because a fact is something that can be proven. If you say "I don't think Reed Richards can stretch". That's your opinion, the FACT is, he can. So your opinion is irrelevant there.

If you hated the Hulk regardless of him being a God, you're not TRYING to prove that he isn't a God, you're just saying you don't like him.

-AC

Ok, you win.

I hate it when people put it like that, I'm actually not trying to win anything.

People act like I've domineered and it gives off some impression that it's my fault. If you don't want me to prove you wrong, address me with something I can't prove wrong or don't address me. Simple.

-AC

If you guys wanna argue on who is smarter I think there is a forum for that.

I'm not doing that.

-AC

Ok, the FACT is, Jean has the power to rip Human torch, Mr. Fantastic, and thing limb from limb, molecule from molecule. the FACT is she has to power to completely erase their minds, memories, and personalities. The FACT is, Jean has the power to make an airtight bubble around Sue, so that she suffocates regardless of her own shield. The FACT is the Iceman can freeze all of them, and Sue would be surrounded by her bubble, then a thick wall of ice and would suffocate unless she brought her guard down. The FACt is that the X-men are more powerful. Yes, it is a FACT that phoenix and iceman(and 'crawler and colossus) are more powerful than the FF. The FF would lose. Even with Herald Torch, the Phoenix is more powerful than him, Thing, Reed, and Sue combined.

"Ok, the FACT is, Jean has the power to rip Human torch, Mr. Fantastic, and thing limb from limb, molecule from molecule."

Phoenix has, I don't think Jean is that strong. So that would mean it's not a fact. I don't think Jean could rip Torch apart now anyway, he had become immensely powerful. Jean may have the power to do stuff, but you seem to be assuming that this battle has already happened, hell, you simulated it. I'd like you to realise that the battle hasn't happened and no amount of simulation is gonna give an outcome.

"The FACT is, Jean has the power to make an airtight bubble around Sue, so that she suffocates regardless of her own shield."

The fact is also that if Sue were to put a shield up before Jean had even attempted it, Jean's telepathic abilities would be redundant. No doubt you'll reply "Jean will do this first...", we don't know that. It hasn't happened.

"The FACT is the Iceman can freeze all of them, and Sue would be surrounded by her bubble, then a thick wall of ice and would suffocate unless she brought her guard down."

Ice-Man can freeze The Human Torch? This is not a fact. Why is everything WOULD? Sue WOULD be suffocate coz she'd have a wall of ice around her. This is only workable based on YOUR ASSUMPTION that everyone else is dead or frozen, which is needless to say, an unlikely occurance in F4 Vs Jean, Colossus, Ice-Man and Nightcrawler. The fight hasn't happened so you cannot say how it WOULD go. That's just basically creating what you wanna hear and the pretending it's fact. It's not.

"The FACt is that the X-men are more powerful. Yes, it is a FACT that phoenix and iceman(and 'crawler and colossus) are more powerful than the FF."

This is the biggest non fact of them all. The X-Men aren't more powerful than the Fantastic Four as a whole, hence why the Fantastic Four do what they do and why X-Men are at the level they are at. Phoenix? That's debateable but it's been stated that Jean Grey is in this fight, she doesn't have Phoenix force. So why are you giving it to her? Oh, that's right, for the purposes of your debate. Nightcrawler and Colossus more powerful than the F4? Give me a break.

Phoenix is more powerful than Herald Torch and the other 3 combined? Ridiculous.

Nothing you have posted so far, are facts. Just things you truly believe, which is fine by me. They aren't facts though.

Well, I'm pretty sure the next time the Earth is under threat from an intergalactic tyrant or entity, the X-Men will be on hand as they always have been (aka never have been more than a couple of rare appearances) to defeat them and save Earth. Coz you see, while the X-Men are fighting for their very lives against Magneto and the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, jobbers. The Fantastic Four are off fighting Annihilus, Dr. Doom and Galactus.

-AC

Originally posted by Sentinel Boy
The FACt is that the X-men are more powerful. Yes, it is a FACT that phoenix and iceman(and 'crawler and colossus) are more powerful than the FF. The FF would lose. Even with Herald Torch, the Phoenix is more powerful than him, Thing, Reed, and Sue combined.

The FF wins, but then again, Jean (not Phoenix) can turn Richards mind into that of a baby in a matter of seconds. One down, three to go.

Hm, maybe the X-Four have a chance after all...

Jean Grey has the ability to make Reed's mind redundant, good point.

As you said though, Reed probably knows more about their in's and out's than they imagine. What's TO SAY he COULDN'T devise some way of preventing telepathy getting into his mind? Magneto did it without much trouble and he isn't anywhere near as smart as Richards.

-AC

Well, which Jean Grey are we talking about ? There are so many different incarnations, it's almost as bad as the Hulk.

I'm talking about the most common Jean Grey. I was never given any reason to assume the thread creator meant otherwise.

-AC

Alright... Alright... You bums! I think that it's time that the FF's horse himself speaks! Although the x-men are pretty much good kids for the most part... A few flare-ups wit old johnnie Law from time to time, and sometimes being misunderstood wit the public at large now and again... Which in that case... Which of us super-duties haven't been at some point in our hero'd time on this giant mud ball? Heck! Even mister Red,White and Blue has had his days. Anyways back to what i was sayin... They've definitely been in their fair share of scraps. But for them to have to step it up a few notches and go toe to toe with us The FF? I don't think that they would like to have anything to do wit them apples.
We've just got too much time play'n wit the big boys out there, and have been doin it at the highest level for such a very long time to boot!
Don't get me wrong they would just lay down. But believe me none the less they would be going down for the count. And just for the record out there i've got nothn against the kid at all. But... Your Uncle Benji would mop the floor wit the young Peter in no time flat. I've forgotn more about the fightn game than the kid will probably ever even hear about.

Verdict: The FF in 4.

How's it all go down? You ask... Well you don't think that The Ever-Lovin' Blue eyed Thing would give away the keys to the candy store do ya!

Sincerly yours,

The King of Yancy Street