Darth Vader vs. Mace Windu

And the horns..? Think about it...

Dear God, I'm glad he was banned

So am I. I was getting tired of seeing posts with lower caps, omg, and Maul pics everywhere.

Yeah, that guy needs help.
btw, Vader would win

Nope. Mace would win. Old clunky Vader isn't quite the man he used to be. I don't see it happening.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Vader may be in a suit, but as we all know, Anakin/Vader is always trying to make himself better, and it seems to me that he would tinker with the suit to make himself more effective in combat. Mace would probably be one of the best fights Vader would ever have, but Vader would still take him down.

He could make himself a Mandalorian power suit and he'd still get pwned, man. There is no way old Vader could manage it.

And why not? Because Mace is seen as Yoda's equal?
The connection Anakin/Vader has to the force never leaves him, because the lightside created him. Even in his robot suit, only Luke or Sidious would be able to take him.

Again, you're quoting prophecy. And prophecy undermines the very idea of such a versus match. Assuming fate was different and Vader was to fight Mace Windu, he would almost certainyl lose.

Well, okay I'll agree with that, but the fact is the prophecy does exist, because they say it in the movies, and the movies are more credible than the books.
however, I still think robo Vader has more power, but Mace's saber skills would enable him to keep alive or possibly (only possibly IMHO) win.

Well, if you're giving your opinion based on how the movies went and the prophecy therein, it's not exactly an objective, informed opinion. Better to make a decision from an unbiased, outside viewpoint, taking all things into account. By dragging the movies into EU versus threads, and hanging the prophecy out there like a dame for all to see, it just undermines your validity.

But, by ignoring the prophecy, which is something you should take into consideration, doesn't that undermine your validity as well?

Not at all. The prophecy is set in stone, but what we have here is conjecture. It's fantasy, really. What if... what if... what if... If you hold the prophecy up as your sole reasoning, you remove the What if entirely, and you have the movies, again.

WHOA! Nefarus, you treat the prophecy the way Christians treat God! Release your grip on it! The prophecy only stated that the chosen one will bring balance to the force. Anakin did it by killing Sidious, but he certainly didn't do so by overpowering him. He completely caught Sidious off guard, there was nothing the old fart could have done to stop him. And besides, no where in the prophecy did it say "Anakin whips everyone's ass, no contest". Obi-Wan clearly proved that wrong in ROTS. He did so by defeating a much more powerful version of Vader. I think Mace can take this battle. Besides, if Vader could adjust his suit, why didn't he do so against Obi-Wan in ANH? He clearly had no conflict in him when he fought Obi-Wan. On the contrary, he was probably dying to kill the very man who made him lose half his body.

Well I regard the prophecy so highly because the fact is, Anakin was created by the force, he has more of a connection to it than ANYONE. And thus, when he joins the darkside he is more powerful than ANYONE.
I admit mech Vader isn't as strong, but he's still incredibly powerful(ask the Jedi who got purged)

And how do you know he never adjusted the suit? We can't fully know because back then(I've said this before) they didn't have the resources to make fights as visually exciting as they are in the PT.

I always used to think that the one of the reasons why they made ANH, ESB, and ROTJ first is because they probably realized that the Prequels will require a lot of highly-choreographed battles. Take Yoda vs. Dooku for example. So they decided to stick with the OT movies because the combatants aren't as skilled and considerably slower. It makes sense but then again I'm speculating.

It is NOT fact that Anakin was created by the Force, or else it would not have been worded so loosely in the database, of that I am certain. He may indeed be part of some prophecy (Which, the idea of entertaining a prophecy in a universe where the will of the Force is everywhere is ridiculous) but he is only considered to be born of the Force based on hearsay, not fact.

And assuming the prophecy is true (note that this is a premise in a logical deduction) than Anakin IS closer to the Force than any living being, he still isn't immortal, and certainly isn't the best fighter of all time.

And lastly, for the love of all that is holy, Vader's suit was far from tweaked with, so let's let it go.

Did you even watch Episode 1? Shmi Skywalker clearly indicates to Qui-Gonn that she couldn't explain Anakin's conception, THERE WAS NO FATHER. GL has even said before that Anakin was created by the force and therefore it is a FACT.
And I'll never let the issue of Vader tinkering with his suit go!
lol
I'm more stubborn than you know.

You certainly are. I'm about to ground you from TV or something else drastic.

And I'm aware of that, but I still think it's BS. Lucas probably doesn't think any deeper than the six movies when it comes to spouting stuff off, and Shmi is hardly a credible witness to anything... phew..

OK, Nefarus, your theory of Anakin being concieved by the force is BELIEVABLE but your saying of Vader tinkering his suit IMO is just a wild conjecture.