"W/E, I have a friend that has a Master's in english as well, and he didn't know what the definition of hypoglycemia was. Just because he has a masters, doesn't mean he's a master of words, its means he writes well."
Hypoglycemia is a medical term, no reason why someone with a Masters must essentially know it. Having a Masters Degree doesn't mean you're a master of words.
This is irrelevant and off topic. If you can't debate, don't post. Everything you've said has swerved drastically off point.
-AC
now that i think about it. she does have a good shot at winning. all she has to do is roll up her sleeves and put hulk in a sleeper hold. that im sure would drain him into unconsciousness. that would take a good minute and he's out. no no, let me guess hulk is to strong to be subdued by weaker opponents right?
"lol, that's what alpha is gonna say."
Let's hear it for Jean Grey ladies and gentlemen. If you can't say anything contributing to why Rogue would win, that doesn't involve something utterly ridiculous like getting naked and something that one of the other posters hasn't come up with, something to contribute, you would do better not posting. Don't see why you are replying with the focus on me.
Manjaro, do you honestly believe that Rogue of the X-Men will win by rolling up her sleeves and putting the Hulk into a sleeper hold? More to the point: If the two met, could you see her pulling this off? Bearing in mind he's had Abomination on his back trying to break his neck and pulled him off with absolutely no trouble before.
-AC
Actually what is this getting naked or full body suit thing on Rogue? She's had various outfits that was either full body or somewhat skimpy sometime or another. Which type are we truly acknowledging?
Also, basically any part of her body can be used for absorption as identified when a Sentinel blasted her, which shredded her costume and knocked her into a crowd where she immediatedly began taking the memories of the people she fell upon.
For people that can be affected, they usually get dizzy or a feeling of being overwhelmed. Hulk felt similar in this respect when Jean Grey knocked him out using her telepathy and Rogue could probably induce a similar sensation when draining. However, if Hulk's demons or multiple personalities are too much for her, she would just go nearly unconscious and be overwhelmed herself as she did with Death's Head II.
""EXHIBIT A: SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER CHARACTER HOLDING HULK LONG ENUFF TO GET OFF 2 FULL SENTENCES. I COUNTED IT WOULD TAKE A MINIMUM OF 8-10 SECS TO SAY ALL THAT."
Such a huge assumption. He isn't holding is he? Clearly has his arms around Hulk but he then gets knocked off faster than he grabbed on. Posting a comic cover is not good advice. Again, do you conceiveably believe that Rogue is capable of putting a sleeper hold onto Hulk? Do you believe she'd do it for longer than 10 seconds? Which would be needed.
Second pic: The pic without the comic is absolutely meaningless. That doesn't last for as long as you're making it seem. Besides, the point was. Do you conceiveably believe that Rogue is gonna be able to beat the Incredible Hulk with a sleeper where people like Abomination tried to overpower him and failed?
-AC
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ok perhaps the cover was a bit of a stretch,but on the other hand it was a major assumption on your part that he was thrown off faster than he grabbed hold. the point was to illustrate that she wouldnt have a problem holding him long enuff to drain him if these guys can do it. as for the sec pic that was to show that they put him down in the first place. it was nt like hey hulk just lay there for a minute while we put this chain around your neck
maybe this would be more to the point a charcter who is near hulks strentgh taunting him
"the point was to illustrate that she wouldnt have a problem holding him long enuff to drain him if these guys can do it."
Totally understand what you're saying but again it's your assumption. Rogue isn't exactly those guys. That guy DOES get thrown off way faster than he tries to grab on. Almost immediately after making that attempt he's gone. How often are cover photos an actual occurance in the story panels? Almost never. That doesn't happen in the comic anywhere near as long enough as you've imagined it to on the cover.
As for that one you just posted, exactly. It's someone much bigger and stronger than Rogue and unless you noticed he's taunting Hulk and Hulk is smiling at him. The man is trying to do damage and Hulk is saying "Yeah?".
If Rogue tried that Hulk would say:
Hulk: Nice try darling, say you have mighty fine assets. They'd look good on the floor.
Rogue: Wait, what assets?
Hulk: Your arms, yoink!
Meant in humour but it's a more accurate and realistic depiction than Rogue beating him, factually, besides the dialogue.
Manjaro, Rogue beating The Hulk? Come on. Whether you think she'd fight well or not, it's irrelevant, she'd lose the fight.
-AC
alright dude i completely understand what youre saying. idont want you to get the feeling that im trying to be one of these other posters who go out of their way just to go at it needlessly with you. all im saying is her draining him is just an added bonus. IMO it is a logical assumption that she could hold him based on the fact that weaker characters have done the same albiet it temporarily.
in my mind rogue is near hulks strength. and the fact that he wouldnt take her seriously in the first place, that means that he wouldnt start off the bat all mad and shit . and that is more time than she would need, im talking about 10-15 secs tops. i havent seen the contest of champions thing the other dude was going crazy about but by all accounts it is something that she has already done.
if it was a toe to toe match up of course he would cave her face in but we're talking about draining him here. look at what happened when vector seared his flesh and bones he didnt recoil instantaneously did he? no. very quick but not instantly. this is what im saying and stay with me.
that initial 3-4 sec stun that he would get from being sapped would leave him dazed and discombobulated. maybe he would get a chance to lash out maybe not. then if rogue just jumps on him like a little kid whose dad just came back from a long tour in the military. and put all her class70 gripping power to work plus what she would have taken from him another 10 secs and he's KO'ed. so to answer the original question yes i think it is a very distinct possibility that she could do it
The basis of your theory is that Rogue is going to have to hold onto him for 10 seconds or more, a hard enough task as it is considering the combatants. Then in 10-15 seconds worth of draining, you assuming Hulk is gonna be KOed. Hulk is going to be getting more and more pissed that she's attempting it so by the time she got enough of his strength to max herself out, he'd easily have compensated for what she took.
So for Rogue's BEST case scenario, she gets his strength some how. So? That would mean she's stronger than she was. She isn't gonna beat Hulk by fighting him, absorbing or not. So let's rule that out.
The only thing anyone has left is "She would drain him to the point of being weak". I don't think she has a chance to hold on, neither does SBO who is Rogue's main backing in this debate. He said that she would go around tapping him and absorbing bits, which isn't within the context of her power. So even the draining is a BIG BIG BIG if, just the application. The success of drainage isn't gonna knock Hulk out at all. Even if Hulk allowed her to stay there and drain him, it won't knock him out coz he will compensate way to fast. So what you would have is a Rogue with She-Hulk level strength flying around and having to fist fight an even more pissed off Hulk. She's going down.
"then if rogue just jumps on him like a little kid whose dad just came back from a long tour in the military. and put all her class70 gripping power to work plus what she would have taken from him another 10 secs and he's KO'ed. so to answer the original question yes i think it is a very distinct possibility that she could do it"
Fair point but Hulk knows who Rogue is. He knows her power is draining. Despite draining being ineffective against Hulk (yes it is in the grand scheme of things even IF she applys it), he isn't gonna stand there and let her do it. You're all assuming she can grab him as if Hulk is actually gonna be the military dad you spoke of. Class 70 Rogue grip that we're not even sure she could apply as it's highly unlikely, versus a class 100 plus and rising, pissed off, pull you off my back and tear you to shreds, Hulk.
Rogue really has absolutely no way of winning this. Look at it from Rogue's perspective. She isn't gonna fly in and think "Yep. Going to fight the Hulk. Just gotta whip me ol' gloves of. Grab the big guy and have away with it" purely coz it's never gonna be that simple.
Conclusion:
A) Regardless of these theories, Rogue is never gonna be able to grab onto Hulk long enough to do anything significant. Result of her trying to is that Hulk batters the shit out of her and sends her packing.
B) So she grabs onto him for the window you described. Hulk is not gonna just stand there without resisting. The more he struggles, the more and more Rogue is gonna absorb to the point of being possibly overloaded and killed. Which would be a Hulk win.
C) The absorption goes off without a hitch, she fills up to the max on Hulk juice and now at the very very most has the ability to land a couple punches, inaffective ones at that. Now she has to deal with multiple rampant personalities, 8 to be exact, WHILE avoiding Hulk and has to do all this and survive while maintaining the power she just drained. So lets give Rogue the benefit and say she gets her shit together. She's nothing more than a flying She-Hulk, another opponent Hulk is easily capable of dispatching.
And as for this "It should only take slight contact" it doesn't. Fact. The way to prove me wrong? Show me that she has drained everyone who's punched her in the face. Add to the fact that she's gonna have a two foot wide Hulk fist with the force of about 10 steam trains ramming into her face and every other part and I think the only drain she'll be associated with is the IV attached to her in the emergency room, assuming Hulk doesn't send her to the morgue first.
It's a mismatch.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThe only thing anyone has left is "She would drain him to the point of being weak". I don't think she has a chance to hold on, neither does SBO who is Rogue's main backing in this debate. He said that she would go around tapping him and absorbing bits, which isn't within the context of her power. So even the draining is a BIG BIG BIG if, just the application. The success of drainage isn't gonna knock Hulk out at all. Even if Hulk allowed her to stay there and drain him, it won't knock him out coz he will compensate way to fast. So what you would have is a Rogue with She-Hulk level strength flying around and having to fist fight an even more pissed off Hulk. She's going down.
-AC
Actually I didn't say she'd have to go around tapping him repeatedly. I said that even if she couldn't drain him completely at the first touch she could incapacitate him enough to allow her to knock him out. With hulk at a diminisherd strength level and Rogue's strength augmented, I think it's entirely possible.