Rouge vs. Hulk

"Even assuming that she didn't drain him all at once, she could weaken him enough to pull out a victory. Her flight advantage would give her a chance to make more skin to skin contact and land some good punches with her augmented strength without getting hit herself ."

Weaken him enough to pull out a victory? Two questions:

A) How powerful do you seriously think Rogue is?

B) Who exactly do you think she's fighting?

As soon as she's within distance, Hulk is going to tear her to pieces. She's not gonna win nor could she.

"On top of that, Rogue can take a lot of physical punishment. She was punched out of earth's atmosphere by Binary and immediately came back for more, and then get socked a second time, but she was never knocked out. Binary is up there with hulk in the strength department. "

Nobody is "up there" with Hulk in the strength department, not pure strength.

Secondly, Hulk has been out of the atmosphere and taken alot of damage also. The key factor is, Hulk can take more than Rogue can give and give more than Rogue can take. Simple as that. The Hulk has had a hole punched in him by a raygun designed to put a whole in planets, he claimed that it itched. Rogue cannot harm him, Hulk energy or not.

"After weakening Hulk and increasing her own already formidable durability and strength, Rogue could take him down."

She couldn't and wouldn't beat The Hulk. This has already been established. It's Rogue, a second or third rate X-Men member. She's not gonna be able to drain enough to weaken Hulk, he would more than easily compensate. Secondly, if Thing can't beat him (and yes he's stronger than Rogue and more durable) then Rogue cannot. She just does not have the power.

"In the contest of champions story, Rogue drained him immediately, but Hulk was relatively calm at the time."

Back to the fake Contest of Champions thing. The one where it was Brood Queen Vs Hulk? Not Rogue Vs Hulk?

"Even in the What If comic, Rogue might have won if she she had fought a bit smarter. She held on with that lip lock a little too long and it cost her big time."

Exactly. Now she's gonna have to drain ALOT from Hulk to even have a chance of getting power that's good enough to fight him with. In which time she would be dead because Hulk's power would overload her. She can't touch him for longer than about...I'd say 6 seconds. That's gonna be nowhere near long enough to do anything and Hulk would have grabbed her by then. This is such an unbelieveable mismatch.

"I don't think the outcome of this fight is a foregone conclusion.
If Rogue wants to beat Hulk one on one it's definitely possible, and I think she has a good chance of doing it, but she'd be wise to do it quickly or else she'd probably end up getting her ass stomped into the pavement"

Quickly, as if Hulk is some slug. Hulk is agile and fast, not to mention he has a better healing factor than most. Rogue can do absolutely NOTHING to the Hulk one on one or X-Men on one.

"If she doesn't have her Ms. Marvel powers, then she doesn't stand a chance (i.e. thunderclap)."

Exactly, she's using Ms. Marvel's powers and would still get whooped. With the powers she's born with, she'd be dead in one punch, but I'd say that's possible already if Hulk decides to mould her into the floor.

"Also, on the What if scenarios, if you look at the "What if Hulk had killed Wolverine," Rogue kissed Hulk to take his power, but while draining, he grabbed her and pummeled her and would have easily killed her had her teammates not interferred."

Exactly. The Rogue fan is assuming he's gonna be like Rogue's other drainees, writhe around going "Noooooooo! YAAAAA!". He's gonna go "What are you doing woman? *SPLAT!*".

-AC

I dont think rogue has the power or the capacity to absorb more than a smigin of hulks power

She absorbed Thor, Mephisto and Juggernaut.

Despite her previous absorbtion conquest, I always got the impression based on Hulk's psych that if Rogue absorbed him, she would crazy and manifest herself into a "Rogue Smash" personality. She was able to absorb She-Hulk and rather quickly, but her personality has not taken so many turns as her dear cousin.

lol

There have been some funny a$$ threads on here lately. This fight could go either way.

If Rogue takes the direct frontal assault approach, Hulk crushes her.

If she shows up topless in a thong and offers Hulk some of that good ol' X-Factor head, Rogue wins (and Hulk dies a happy man).

Never underestimate the power of a determined woman. lol

They have their ways.

Hahahaha.

Finally some humour.

Besides the actual creation of this thread.

-AC

There are characters that are in the same strength class as Hulk and Binary is one of them.
Thor is as well, he's also a god and Rogue drained his power as easily as she did Hulk's.

I never said hulk was a slug, but even a hulk fan should concede the fact that Rogue is much faster. She could evade many of his blows and she's tough enough to take some punches if he lands them.
She could certainly hold her own long enough to steal his power and pull out a win.

I'm sure she can essentially achieve a win by absorbing his powers and then defeating him, but I'm worried about how she can handle his psyche in her also. There is a difference between a unintelligible version of Hulk and that of Thor.

"I never said hulk was a slug, but even a hulk fan should concede the fact that Rogue is much faster. She could evade many of his blows and she's tough enough to take some punches if he lands them.
She could certainly hold her own long enough to steal his power and pull out a win."

She is faster. Tough enough to take the blows? One strong punch from Hulk and she is wallpaper paste.

She could not hold her own long enough to win. She grabs him, he grabs her, she gets torn apart. She tries to fight, she gets beat to death.

She cannot win. She's a NOBODY.

-AC

I wouldn't call her a nobody. When fighting ten times, she might be able to win once. Not more. Hulk wins nine times (if not more), but again, Rogue is not a nobody.

Ever read the comic where she absorbed Things powers ? I didn't think that was bad writing. She flew very fast to Thing, lifted him up and before Thing realized what was happening, she kissed him, and what 'd you know : a few seconds later the surprised Thing - not exactly a rookie - was already losing his powers...

Hulk still wins. But Rogue is no pushover. And she certainly can take some hits from Hulk.

Isn't Thing's hide made from other materials then normal skin? I thought that Rogue couldn't absorb him, in a way like she can't absorb Colossus?

I think Hulk easily, very easily, takes 10 out of 10 against Rogue. With no sweat. I don't think Rogue would make it to 10.

Compared to Hulk she's a nobody with nobody powers.

People say she could drain him like it's simple. She couldn't handle the power, the personalities or drain enough to have an effect.

Why is this still being discussed?

-AC

Oh, she has no problems in absorbing Colossus powers, I remember her doing it on more than one occasion. Same for Thing.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
IPeople say she could drain him like it's simple. She couldn't handle the power, the personalities or drain enough to have an effect

But the powers of the Hulk won't be a problem, she's used to absorbing enormous powers, sometimes she absorbs different people at the same time. She even absorbed Magus (father of Warlock) and it didn't bother her one bit. And if she can even absorb Thors power - who is a god ! - she can also do the same to Hulk.

"But the powers of the Hulk won't be a problem, she's used to absorbing enormous powers, sometimes she absorbs different people at the same time. She even absorbed Magus (father of Warlock) and it didn't bother her one bit. And if she can even absorb Thors power - who is a god ! - she can also do the same to Hulk."

Absorbing enormous powers and absorbing Hulk pure unfiltered power are two very different things. He retains intelligence now so he could actually WAIT for her to attached then just pump up and explode her.

Even so, she will reach capacity. Even at capacity she can't beat Hulk.

I'm not arguing with you, we agree on this fight.

Just stating.

-AC

Rogue can take his punches. In the what if comic she took numerous punches from him and kept fighting. She's taken punches from juggernaut. One punch from hulk is NOT going to beat her.

Saying that Rogue's a nobody is not the way to make a valid argument. If you don't like the character that's totally up to you, but that doesn't mean that she can't take the Hulk down. The fact that this thread is still going means that this fight isn't as one sided as you think.

I agree. Rogue once absorbed Thor, Mephisto and even some of Juggernaut. There's no proof that Rogue has a limit to her power. Rogue once exhibited ALL the powers she once absorbed. Iceman's ice powers, Magneto's magnetism, The Thing's strength. She didn't "explode". Also with previously absorbing the Hulk, Rogue would have died. She transformed into the Hulk do heal from being stabbed through the heart.

Rogue, despite her southern accent, isn't stupid. She knows how powerful the Hulk is. She won't go in fists blaring and foolishly try to pummel him. Hulk is very stupid (non-Dr. Hulk version) and very innocent. If Rogue catches him offguard she has a very good chance. Also when she absorbs a person she already absorbed the transfer is faster and much more efficent. She absorbed the Hulk (crap writing or not) before. She has all his memories. She would know what buttons to push to get him into a calm state.

"Saying that Rogue's a nobody is not the way to make a valid argument. If you don't like the character that's totally up to you, but that doesn't mean that she can't take the Hulk down. "

I agree.

The fact that she is nowhere near good enough is what says she can't take Hulk down.

"Hulk is very stupid (non-Dr. Hulk version) and very innocent. If Rogue catches him offguard she has a very good chance. Also when she absorbs a person she already absorbed the transfer is faster and much more efficent. She absorbed the Hulk (crap writing or not) before. She has all his memories. She would know what buttons to push to get him into a calm state."

Read any recent Hulk's? He retains intelligence now with his regular Hulk transformations.

Rogue can try and get him in a calm state all she wants. The point is, she cannot out fight the Hulk, we've established that. She cannot physically hurt him without at the very least, absorbing a share of his power.

Now, if the attempt doesn't kill her, if Hulk doesn't purposefully overload her, the multiple personality disorder won't allow her to focus. So Hulk will kill her.

This is actually diabolically one sided. It all comes down to draining, which Rogue won't be able to handle for MANY reasons.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Read any recent Hulk's? He retains intelligence now with his regular Hulk transformations.

I don't read Hulk. He changes so much its hard to keep up with him.

"Rogue can try and get him in a calm state all she wants. The point is, she cannot out fight the Hulk, we've established that. She cannot physically hurt him without at the very least, absorbing a share of his power."

She doesn't absorb a "share" of his powers. She absorbs ALL his powers. She absorbed Thor ( an Asgardian God with vast powers) with one touch. She absorbed Mephisto (Satan) with one touch. She absorbed the Juggernaut to an extent (the magic made it wonky) You have no supposition that says that Rogue cannot drain his powers instantly. My evidence proves that she can.

"Now, if the attempt doesn't kill her, if Hulk doesn't purposefully overload her, the multiple personality disorder won't allow her to focus. So Hulk will kill her."

The attempt won't kill her. She's absorbed far more powerful foes before. She's never been "overloaded" except for the Silver Surfer. The multiple personality disorder has been healed since the 80's. Her psyche is under control.

This is actually diabolically one sided. It all comes down to draining, which Rogue won't be able to handle for MANY reasons.

"It's not one-sided. It's actually quite even. You haven't state the "many" reasons at all besides "he's very powerful and oh so strong".

-AC

"I don't read Hulk. He changes so much its hard to keep up with him."

Then don't say he "can't" do things which he is infact capable of.

"She doesn't absorb a "share" of his powers. She absorbs ALL his powers. She absorbed Thor ( an Asgardian God with vast powers) with one touch. She absorbed Mephisto (Satan) with one touch. She absorbed the Juggernaut to an extent (the magic made it wonky) You have no supposition that says that Rogue cannot drain his powers instantly. My evidence proves that she can. "

She cannot absorb all of his power because there is no limit to his power, she has nowhere near the capacity to handle it. That's a fact. She cannot absorb his power. Your evidence is Contest of Champions, completely referable but totally inaccurate.

"The attempt won't kill her. She's absorbed far more powerful foes before. She's never been "overloaded" except for the Silver Surfer. The multiple personality disorder has been healed since the 80's. Her psyche is under control."

The MP disorder is still there, read Hulk comics and learn more about him before you comment on what he does and doesn't have. She hasn't "absorbed" more powerful foes than The Hulk before. Are you still refering to Contest of Champions? She is never gonna do it, yet you try to make it seem as though it's easy. You're clinging to your ONE point, that comic (in which it was fan voted and wasn't even Rogue).

"It's not one-sided. It's actually quite even. You haven't state the "many" reasons at all besides "he's very powerful and oh so strong""

Is this gonna be another thread where I post the points time and time again and you just refuse to read them like in the F4/X-Men thread?

You are claiming that things about The Hulk do not exist when you admittedly don't read his comics. You are unqualified to speak on him up to this point. Rogue is not gonna have a chance against Hulk, Contest of Champions was the only time. Any other time and she would be killed.

It's actually not debateable much less an even debate. Or even a debate for that matter.

If She-Hulk can't come close to beating Rogue (and she is actually stronger), how could Rogue? Draining? You think Hulk will stand there and let her do it? Even so, draining (in a non-fan voted area) is nothing to Hulk.

You already gave up a couple of pages back when you tried proving Contest of Champions was worthy, now you try it again. Pointless.

-AC