[i]"The MP disorder is still there, read Hulk comics and learn more about him before you comment on what he does and doesn't have. She hasn't "absorbed" more powerful foes than The Hulk before. Are you still refering to Contest of Champions? She is never gonna do it, yet you try to make it seem as though it's easy. You're clinging to your ONE point, that comic (in which it was fan voted and wasn't even Rogue)."
Rogue has absorbed several individuals at once on more than one occasion. She has multiple personalities in her head all the time and she can handle it. Hulk wouldn't be any more immune to her power than other extremely powerful characters like Thor, juggernaut, etc.
"Is this gonna be another thread where I post the points time and time again and you just refuse to read them like in the F4/X-Men thread?"
Sounds like he's not the only one who does this. And no I'm not referring to myself here.
"You are claiming that things about The Hulk do not exist when you admittedly don't read his comics. You are unqualified to speak on him up to this point. Rogue is not gonna have a chance against Hulk, Contest of Champions was the only time. Any other time and she would be killed."
So far she's absorbed plenty of powerful characters before without being killed, and even if Contest of champions was the only time she drained Hulk, that shows it can be done.
-AC
Like I said in the beginning, if Rogue can absorb She-Hulk, Juggernaut, Magus, Loki, Magneto and Thing, she can absorb Hulk too.
Rogue could only absorb something from Mephisto because he allowed it. He could control the degree of the absorption rate and allowed her to get some of his thoughts, only to manipulate her into certain actions.
It was Rogue's power that drained Hulk not the brood Queen's. Fans did vote on some fights in the series, but that wasn't one of the vs. battles, it was part of the storyline.
And even if it was the fans who decided it, that would mean that there were more people thought she could absorb his power than thought she couldn't. Why would all of their opinions be less valid than yours.
Originally posted by sbo
It was Rogue's power that drained Hulk not the brood Queen's. Fans did vote on some fights in the series, but that wasn't one of the vs. battles, it was part of the storyline.And even if it was the fans who decided it, that would mean that there were more people thought she could absorb his power than thought she couldn't. Why would all of their opinions be less valid than yours.
It's a lame comic either way. It was a storyline vehicle.
"I think Rouge wins this one. If she can absorb Hulk's energy absorbing power (a biological power he was born with, so logically she could absorb this,) and his strength increasing power, Hulk's going to revert to Banner."
Ok this energy absorption thing is getting stupid now. Let's break it down:
If Rogue actually makes contact and starts absorbing power, she is going to hit a wall sooner or later. HER maximum capacity, even if filled up, is not enough of a power loss for Hulk to revert to Banner, it takes ALOT to do that, and Rogue does not have that capacity.
Rogue, regardless of what her hypeman wants to think, cannot deal with the multiple Hulk personalities, Jean Grey couldn't and nor could Xavier. They are two of the strongest psychics too. To think Rogue can handle the multiple personalities of Devil, Guilt, Post HR, Savage, Professor, Banner-Controlled Hulk, Savage Banner and Grey Hulk, is absolutely stupid. It's not happening.
Most obvious one is, why are you all assuming that it's going to be as easy, in a comic written by credible writers, with no ulterior motive, such as ending a storyline a la Contest of Champions, that it's gonna be as easy as "Excuse me Hulk, I'm just gonna pop my hands onto you for a second and hold on until I drain you."?
Hulk will tear her off before she manages to. In the event she succeeds, as said above, she has a max strength. It's gonna be nothing more than Hulk Vs Flying She-Hulk.
Rogue is better off, although she would still lose, without absorbing the power because then she has clear mind. If she absorbs the power, not only does the put to bed her absorption trump card, but it takes her mind off the battle and onto the 8 extremely combustible and uncontrollable personalities in her head.
Rogue does not win. She cannot win. It's not a matter of opinion, taste or preference. Rogue cannot beat The Hulk.
-AC
It's sole purpose was to put an end to a storyline, the fights are of no consequence.
Your argument makes no sense. You could say the same thing about any fight ever written in a comic book. Fights and other violent confrontations are almost always the way story lines are ended in comics and most fights don't have any consequences. Even when characters fight to the death, you know they'll show up again.
Rogue has drained numerous powerful characters and kept their powers under control. She's drained several characters at the same time and hasn't gone insane. She drained Hulk and knocked him out, whether the story line was lame or not doesn't really matter. If you were to discount every fight that ever took place in a lame comic you'd have to throw out A LOT of fights.
"Your argument makes no sense. You could say the same thing about any fight ever written in a comic book."
Have you read Contest of Champions? Do you know why or how it was ever created how it was? Ended how it was? It was nothing more than a storyline vehicle, was not canon.
"Rogue has drained numerous powerful characters and kept their powers under control. She's drained several characters at the same time and hasn't gone insane."
Has she drained 8 Hulk personalities of completely different vastness? No. Has anyone? No. Can even the most powerful psychics in the world do that? No. So why could Rogue? She couldn't.
"She drained Hulk and knocked him out, whether the story line was lame or not doesn't really matter. If you were to discount every fight that ever took place in a lame comic you'd have to throw out A LOT of fights."
It's not about the ACTUAL storyline. You are either missing the point of you've not read the comic. It's about how the writer chose to END the storyline. It was a cop out done on a whim. Nothing more, nothing less. You are entitled to refer to something ridiculously non canon, if that's what you need to boost your arguement. In canon, she has done nothing of the sort, nor could she.
-AC
I've read the comic and I understand your point. Your point is just not a good one. When is anything ever canon in comics, most things aren't. Everyone knows things change from one writer to another, and even with the same writers things aren't always consistent.
And even if you don't like the reference I've made, at least I have a reference from continuity to go by which supports my argument, whereas you have nothing.
Originally posted by sbo
Your argument makes no sense. You could say the same thing about any fight ever written in a comic book.
Yes, yes it does.
You could say that, but you'd be wrong.
This particular comic was pre-planned in the author's mind, using a multitude of characters. The battles were simple a means to an end to achieve that. Simple really.
So you're saying that most comics are written without any planning by the author ????? Your argument makes even less sense than the one you're defending.
The ending of that story did not depend upon whether hulk was absorbed or not, it could have easily been written another way if the writer so chose.
No, you're trying to retrieve a point that isn't there. THAT argument makes no sense, neither does the fact that you are completely missing the point.
Where have I said that? Quick answer, I haven't.
Long answer, I haven't, yet what I did say, was that in that particular story, all the writer was concerned about was resusciting an old unfinished storyline of his, that no one cared about, with two characters that people cared even less about. The actual content was an aftethought.
Let's see Rogue v Hulk in a comic written FOR THAT PURPOSE.
In fact let's not, because Rogue is a second- rate X-Man, and the fact that this thread even exists is pathetic.