I have read those. The comics and the opinions.
She isn't fighting man sized Thor is she? She's fighting Hulk.
I think that slipped your mind.
Non existant evidence? Which? The comic explanation that's actually real being denied by you or the fact that Rogue has a max limit to how much she can absorb? Coz those are both facts that count against Rogue.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I have read those. The comics and the opinions.She isn't fighting man sized Thor is she? She's fighting Hulk.
I think that slipped your mind.
Non existant evidence? Which? The comic explanation that's actually real being denied by you or the fact that Rogue has a max limit to how much she can absorb? Coz those are both facts that count against Rogue.
-AC
didnt realize you are a big Hulk fanboy!!!
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Most of the people in the Marvel universe, Hulk can handle pretty well, and most he can even win against...
But we need to accept and respect the fact that Hulk is not perfect and there are some characters than can not only beat him, but alot of others as well.
Ghost-riders Hellfire/penance stare, for example, is a finishing move that can pretty much take care of anyone and everyone.
Rogues ability to absorb and disease people.
Stuff like that, Alpha, If you could just understand that there ARE characters better than The Hulk, and not because of Strength, I think you could debate much better in heats with The Hulk, because most of them you are one sided, and no matter what is said you dont back down, EVER.
Originally posted by sbo
I'm not saying rogue doesn't have a limit. But I don't think Hulk is beyond her capabilities. Thor, Thing, juggernaut, and Hulk are all stronger than she is and she's absorbed their power without flipping out.
hmmmm in the cartoon when she tried to absorb Juggy, she flipped out.
Though I know this is bad to bring a cartoon but I though you cant just absorbs Juggy's power cause the come from the crystal. I thought You cant just directly absorbed it like that
anyway, Rouge when she was able to control all the powers she absorbed and use them also would be a force to reckon for Hulk, Gladiator, Superman, or any other superhero
Originally posted by x_danny_x
hmmmm in the cartoon when she tried to absorb Juggy, she flipped out.Though I know this is bad to bring a cartoon but I though you cant just absorbs Juggy's power cause the come from the crystal. I thought You cant just directly absorbed it like that
anyway, Rouge when she was able to control all the powers she absorbed and use them also would be a force to reckon for Hulk, Gladiator, Superman, or any other superhero
Since Juggernaut's powers are magical she has a harder time with his than most. But in the comics she's absorbed them without going crazy the way she did in the cartoon.
Rogue's absorbing techinique would prove utterly "futile" in a battle against "The Hulk". For one, the hulk isn't going to stand there and let rogue get close enough to get a grip on him, the hulk's a livewire and unless rogue can somehow make hulk stationary(which she cannot) then she is going to come up on a hellified blow each and every time she gets in close, and thats "if" she can handle a power of that caliber.
Rogue went berzerk on many foes before in which wasbecause of the power being "too much" for her to withstand, now don't get me wrong but the hulk's potential power dwarfs any of the foes she ever tried to absorb before and I feel it would be alittle too much inner rage and infinite power for her "finite" power to withstand.
In the end, as shallow an excuse as it may sound, the hulk is just too much out of rogue's league for her to stand any kind of chance. As a matter of fact this thread is utterly ridiculous. Rogue has to "team-up" with the X-men to battle foes in which are equal or lesser in strength than that of the hulk.
Rogue is "outclassed", "outmatched" and just pales in comparison to that of Marvel's top-tier...
Ok, this is getting out of hand and off topic so with regards to me, these comments are gonna end right here and now.
IRTMU, Why are you STILL assuming I don't believe there are characters better than the Hulk? Why? I've continually told you that I agree with you on that. Jeez. So that's that out the way, I KNOW there are people better than Hulk, I've said it before and I'd say it again. So we can put that away and quit refering to it. Because it's not true.
YOU have got half the forum thinking I'm a Hulk fan boy. It's ALL you ever say, in EVERY thread. As soon as I say something you cannot debate against "Alpha believes *insert something I've never even said* and so he's a fan boy." It's rather cowardly.
I would say it's not bold to assume everyone is getting tired of this being a forum member vs forum and not a comic character vs forum so here are the cold, harsh and hard facts for those of harder understanding:
Am I a FAN of the Hulk and his comic series? Yes. Do I believe, as a result of my liking him, that he is undefeatable and better than everyone else? No. Have I voted against him before? Yes. Why? Because I didn't think he would win. Does my voting for Hulk in battles I genuinely believe he could win, make me a fan boy? No it does not. I do not like fan boys. Hulk fanboys, Wolverine fanboys, ANY fanboys. When Tough Guy has been spouting of about Hulk being unbeatable and all that, who stepped up and said he was being irrational and illogical, not to mention wrong? I did.
What you people need to grasp is that the reasons I give for Hulk being able to win, are not illogical. They are not loop holed and they are not outrageous, made up power theories. I post according to my comic knowledge of the characters. If you don't LIKE that info, that's your problem. I'm not making false claims. Just factual claims that you have problems accepting.
You know Rogue can't beat the Hulk. I know it. If I love Rogue and hated Hulk, I'd admit it. Regardless of who you like, she is not strong enough to do so and she has never had any kind of establishment with Hulk outside of Contest of Champions, the storyline vehicle.
SO:
IRTMU, you claim I don't back down. I don't, you know why? Because unlike many people here, I go into debates with my brain in working order. I read peoples posts, see what they're saying and reply accordingly. That's the wonderful concept known as freedom of speech and opinion to all. I do not have to stop replying or debating just because you are looking for an escape.
Either keep the threads on topic or stop it.
This all kicked off because SBO refused to accept something printed in a comic book that he'd been hanging onto as it was important to his arguement. Now that it's gone, he resorted to swerving into claims of name calling and stuff like that.
In closing, you are all too busy claiming I'm arrogant, obnoxious and self-absorbed that you are blind to see that you're all focused on me and what I do or say. If I'm not as great as you all seem to think I am, stop giving me your undivided forum time and learn that in fantasy battles, all we can go by is what has happened in legitimate and relevant comic books, if the battles haven't already happened.
NOW ON TOPIC:
"Maybe she won't absorb his strength, maybe she'll absorb his ability to get stronger as he gets angrier. Rogue wouldn't attack him, she'd probably try and block his punches. If she did that with her glove off, then she would absorb his strength or abilities."
She can't absorb selected abilities. Nor could she absorb his strength from blocking his punches (Rogue couldn't do that without being damaged by the way). She would have to grab onto him.
-AC
I disagree. I don't see why she cannot beat him because if he strength was too much for her to absorb, she could always absorb the ability to gain more stamina and strength as she gets angrier. I don't see how that could be illogical. You are saying we are accusing you of calling you stuff like arrogant and obnoxious (which I did in another thread, but thats a different story), but you are also accusing others of things too.
Either keep the threads on topic or stop it.
You are saying that this is becoming a forum member versus forum, but you aren't doing anything to stop that. Only 1/9 of your post is about this battle. I'm not saying that I don't make threads into forum member versus things because I do. I'm doing it right now. You don't always just go by what has happened in comic books because that is jsut what has happened in the past, but people changes, so characters should change too. You should assume that the characters will learn from their past mistakes and gain from them. So if you say that in episode or chapter blah blah blah, so and so did this and beat whoever, do you actually think that the character would just be like, "Oh, I lost to so and so because of this, oh well, I guess I'll just do the same thing next time and lose again." I know that most people are saying that I'm a crazy b*tch because I don't have the extensive knowledge of the Fantastic Four or the Hulk or w/e, but I do have knowledge about how the brain works, because its my job.