** The MISUNDERSTOOD Religon **

Originally posted by maham
No Im m not n I don't blieve in propaganda esp.UR western propaganda.Every1 knos america is tryin 2 take over the world.They already hav the world on the palm of their hand! Wat ru talkin abt?!

N I din't day islam doesn't hav sects.Point is : It shudn't n Islam is Islam.There is no such thing as extremism or moderate Islam.It is how it is.Just follow it as u shud! Case Closed!

Thats a radical idea that you think you know, first of all what makes you suggest America is tryign to take over the world?

Yes there is such thign as extremism in Islam. There are people out there who twist the messages of the Quran for there own benefits. explain to me how there isn't extreme and moderate. That statment says that Islamic people are all on the same page about what right interpretations of the Quran are. That obviuosuly isn't true because you don't see the 1 billion Islamic followers driving with car bombs.

thanks, couldn't have said it better myself.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Thats a radical idea that you think you know, first of all what makes you suggest America is tryign to take over the world?

Yes there is such thign as extremism in Islam. There are people out there who twist the messages of the Quran for there own benefits. explain to me how there isn't extreme and moderate. That statment says that Islamic people are all on the same page about what right interpretations of the Quran are. That obviuosuly isn't true because you don't see the 1 billion Islamic followers driving with car bombs.

Not to say that there aren't AMerican extremists like Bush....but the moderates of this country are trying to fix that problem. Radical Muslims are clear minority...just a poerful and militarized version. Power often projects out of a barrel of a gun. Both the current American and Muslim extremeist have found this out.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not to say that there aren't AMerican extremists like Bush....but the moderates of this country are trying to fix that problem. Radical Muslims are clear minority...just a poerful and militarized version. Power often projects out of a barrel of a gun. Both the current American and Muslim extremeist have found this out.

I don't think Bush is extreme, just not very intelligent. What moderates are you talking about because I haven't seen them do anythign at all recently. In fact I don't think their really are moderates right now. I think theres 2 sides your either in favor of Bush or totally against him. I understand this isn't a politics forum, but i just want to throw this out there for anyone. My personal opinion is that for this country to really excel, a strong independent candidate needs to become president. Someone that can do whats best for the country, and not ahve to listen to there own parties beliefs. I don't think bi-partisan politics works very well.

Why do you consider americans to be extremists. I'm not a supporter of the Iraq war, however, dethroning Saddam Hussein from his dictatorship wasn't necessarily a bad thing, it in fact may have saved many lives. Plus now that we are there a government has to be established. I don't think it shoudl be a democracy and i feel it wont last, however, what makes that extremism.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not to say that there aren't AMerican extremists like Bush....but the moderates of this country are trying to fix that problem. Radical Muslims are clear minority...just a poerful and militarized version. Power often projects out of a barrel of a gun. Both the current American and Muslim extremeist have found this out.

If by radical you mean those who actually hold the guns and detonate the bombs. I would agree that those are a small minority. Unfortunately there are many more who support or at least view favorably that small minority. If we include those people in the umbrella term "radical islam" it almost ceases to be a minority of Islam as a whole. Why can't those people see that those bombers and murderers aren't really helping their cause? It's the despair that that question causes that leads those on the other side to think violence could be an answer.

What I meant..............is how how.... If and when people determine what is what or not?

Originally posted by debbiejo
What I meant..............is how how.... If and when people determine what is what or not?

Hmmmm That is a question I ask myself all the time. 😆

Originally posted by docb77
If by radical you mean those who actually hold the guns and detonate the bombs. I would agree that those are a small minority. Unfortunately there are many more who support or at least view favorably that small minority. If we include those people in the umbrella term "radical islam" it almost ceases to be a minority of Islam as a whole. Why can't those people see that those bombers and murderers aren't really helping their cause? It's the despair that that question causes that leads those on the other side to think violence could be an answer.

Put yourself in thier shoes.

Take Hezbollah. They build hospitals, schools, and public infrastructure. They are like a combination of the army and the Conservation Corps. It provides social structure in impoverished communities, provides purpose for those who have none and benefits the community.

Then you can tie in charasmatic leaders and religous dogma (we've seen the effects of THAT here).

Even better, they vocally speak out against corrup beurocratic offcials and especially the "west" and the UNited States. The US has historically done incredible damage to the region...but Americans are ignorant and think all this touble happend by itself. The US has a great dept to pay in that region. Years of overturning governments, assassinating democratically elected leaders and giving belligerant regimes blank military checks my be forgotten by AMericans...but not by the locals. The US has cause dproblems there and its easy to be reactionary and blame everything on the US. People start believeing its ALL the US's fault (which its not, but we did play in indespensable role). Their governemnt won't speak out against it....but theses people will.

Its not hard at all to see how "bombers" and "murders" (the US has done the same things repeatedly) can gain all the traction they need.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not yet, anyways.

Originally posted by maham
That reminds me of Bushy boy n all those fanatics behind makin him the president,tryin 2 take over the world by fightin endless wars as they r.
Mahmoud Ahmedi Najad is just tryin 2 fight THEM.I seriously don't think he's tryin 2 take over the world as u think he is.

Ahmedinajad is a reactionary populist inbred retard who has far too much in common with Bush. Typical of what happens when you give a moron with a 3rd grade education a kalashnikov and powerful friends.
Also, if terrorism truely is justified by western exploitation (as it in many ways, is), why target civilians, supposed infidels, and people who aren't responsible?

Originally posted by maham
No Im m not n I don't blieve in propaganda esp.UR western propaganda.Every1 knos america is tryin 2 take over the world.They already hav the world on the palm of their hand! Wat ru talkin abt?!

N I din't day islam doesn't hav sects.Point is : It shudn't n Islam is Islam.There is no such thing as extremism or moderate Islam.It is how it is.Just follow it as u shud! Case Closed!

Originally posted by Darth Revan
Obviously you know NOTHING about Islam. You've just swallowed everything the media has been telling you about Islam, which is absolutely false. The word "Jihad" doesn't mean "holy war" as you may have been told, it means "conflict". Jihad is any kind of conflict, and under the religious context, it is a conflict in the name of God. More often than not, it is an internal conflict. People who use Jihad as an excuse to commit terrorist acts are extremists who are misusing their religion. In the Qu'ran it says that actual war is only acceptible if someone is preventing you from practicing your religion. Not even oppressing you in another sense, they must be stopping you from being a Muslim. Islam teaches peace and tolerance towards all people more than anything else.

Islam also teaches that Jews and Christians are "people of the book" who basically have the right idea about religion and are treated as fellow Muslims, but who follow outdated and misinterpreted versions of the truth. How nice of Christianity to return the favor.

Can a Buddhist share and talk about buddhist religion without coercion to an islamic countries just like saudi arabia and can live peacefully and harmony inspite of different faith?

I wish to live there....arabia

What is misunderstood about islam? It is just another cult but since it has lasted for 1400 years and has 1 billion mindless followers, it's a wonderful religion.
Noo they not mean to women, they just make them cover every inch of themself and hit them if they do not.

Originally posted by gordomuchacho
Thats a radical idea that you think you know, first of all what makes you suggest America is tryign to take over the world?

Yes there is such thign as extremism in Islam. There are people out there who twist the messages of the Quran for there own benefits. explain to me how there isn't extreme and moderate. That statment says that Islamic people are all on the same page about what right interpretations of the Quran are. That obviuosuly isn't true because you don't see the 1 billion Islamic followers driving with car bombs.

Ur still thinkin? They already hav the world in their hands,dolt!

N NO, there is no such thing as extremism in Islam.I m not talkin abt wat ppl do or say I talkin abt the true spirit of Islam.I kno that ppl use religion (not only Islam) 4 their own evil purposes but that doesn't mean THAT is teh true religion does it?

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Who decides how Islam should be followed?

your concept of intenational relations is full of shit.

your astounding wealth of ignorance is impressive.

I'v heard that b4.Only cuz I disagree with u I m ignorant.

Originally posted by maham
Ur still thinkin? They already hav the world in their hands,dolt!

N NO, there is no such thing as extremism in Islam.I m not talkin abt wat ppl do or say I talkin abt the true spirit of Islam.I kno that ppl use religion (not only Islam) 4 their own evil purposes but that doesn't mean THAT is teh true religion does it?

Don't comeback with a ridiculous response liek that becasue so far you haven't supported your point at all. I would realy liek you to explain to me how we have the wolrd in our hands like i asked to u explain yourself before, however, you didn't.

when people distort it and make crazy inerpretations and false conclusions and then act out upon those ideas is called extremism, the people who follow it like ordianry people the way it was meant to be are the moderates. The moderate Islamic people are the sunnis, shiities, and other sects I'm not totally awarer of. The extremists are a different group with a different set of beliefs for islam and whether or not they consider themselevs shiite or sunni, they in fatc are different because their beliefs differ from these sects. I think you misinterpreted the statement that people meant islam has extremist ideas and moderate ideas and thats not what they meant at all. Islam is the general religion and the moderates and extremists are sub-divisions of this

Originally posted by maham

I'v heard that b4.Only cuz I disagree with u I m ignorant.

No because you make ridiculous statements and haven't backed up any of them at all yet

Maham, don't try that ''what a racist'' political correctness bullshit on me, because it doesn't work on me.

Originally posted by maham
Ever wondered y n under wat circumstances? The disbelievers (mostly jews) claimed that they had embraced Islam,but inside they hadn't.They tricked them.They were never their friends,but many Muslims thought so n cuz most of them were their own relatives,they wanted 2 hav gd relations with them,but God told them not to as they were deceivin them n wanted nothin but their destruction.They were no friends.N sayin that not befriendin them is bad, I wud say...Wat the Hell! Amazin how ppl judge Islam n make up their own meanin of a Quranic verse without even acknowledgin the reasons behind it!

Right, so it was ''mostly jews'' with whom your God doesn't want you to affiliate with! And you had the nerve to call me racist.

That is a very lame interpretation of the verse, which just plainly screams with prejudice and discrimination.

Non-believers are not to be taken as friends, is a clear message of the verse. I don't know what is there to be misunderstood.

And the interpretation of Quranic verse? What makes you more of an expert on it than me?

If such is the word of God than it shouldnt be open for interpretation - it should be one and only uninterpretable, non changeable and non-double-meaning verse...

Quran seems to have all those.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Quran seems to have all those.

Not to forget other religons as well. Most religions have those.

And was PC and said most instead of all. (though probably its imo that its not the case)

Originally posted by Alliance
Not to forget other religons as well. Most religions have those.

And was PC and said most instead of all. (though probably its imo that its not the case)

All this 'interpretation' business makes little sense, in any of the Abrahamic religions, particulary if its the direct word of God.

It just seems a little unlikely for a mortal, unwise and simple to need to intepret something as important as the word of God.

If one should admit that a certain book is an interpretation, or a vision, or even a collection of things inspired by the God, then ok, i suppose.

But it just seems a little weird to have to interpret something someone claims is DIRECTLY from god...if that makes sense.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Torah and Bible also included.

All this 'interpretation' business makes little sense, in any of the Abrahamic religions, particulary if its the direct word of God.

It just seems a little unlikely for a mortal, unwise and simple to need to intepret something as important as the word of God.

If one should admit that a certain book is an interpretation, or a vision, or even a collection of things inspired by the God, then ok, i suppose.

But it just seems a little weird to have to interpret something someone claims is DIRECTLY from god...if that makes sense.