Could the possible invasion of iran be america's downfall?

ARC Trooper 117
This doesn't make sense, since we INTENTIONALLY stepped away from the whole Iraq/Iran situation......

The iraq war is not a global conflict. WW1, WW2, even Korea (to an extent) were global conflicts, Heck we were even one of the first on board the original Persian Gulf War. So yes, it does make sense.

Euripides
Canada is very compassionate when it comes to global conflicts. They help out when they can. However by global conflicts I meant conflicts like Rwanda or something. Not WWI or WWII. However, they are the most vocal for a peaceful solution.

You do know that Rwanda is not a global conflict right? A global conflict is when many nations around the globe are in conflict.

Euripides
You didn't even know the name of the enemy so that furthers my argument.

Neither did you, you called them the “Jihad” gov’t. We were fighting the TALIBAN over there who declared a JIHAD.

Euripides
You're incredibly ill-informed of the situation

If that ain't the pot callin' the kettle black.

Euripides
And we WON the damn thing. Please!America was suffering from the Great Depression. America was a proverbial ghetto. America's people wanted the rest of the world to handle its own problems. Your plain ignorance of this fact is laughable.
When the Nazis beat France, America had no choice but to step in and win the war. American forces beat Germany (with the aid of Canadian forces) and bombed Japan. Without America, the world would have been f***ed.

You have absolutely NO CLUE what you are taking about.

Euripides
You obviously have no knowledge of American history. America was in the middle of a Great Depression. America's people were living on the streets and were scavenging for food. The value of their dollar dropped to next to nothing. The Americans were dying of disease and malnourishment. America was a proverbial ghetto. American people did not want to do go to war. They were homeless and starving. Why the hell should they worry about the rest of the world. They were looking out for themselves. Roosevelt asceded to the people's wishes but when France finally fell, Roosevelt sent arms and weapons to Europe. He was highly criticized for this but he did it anyway. German and Japanese forces resented this and launched a sneak attack. When Pearl Harbour came, the American people finally supported Roosevelt's wishes.

France had everything to do with American intervention. Without it, the Pearl Harbour attack would never have happened and America would have stayed neutral.

Sorry...but France had EVERYTHING to do with it.

You really need to read a history book because you sound really clueless by writing the above statements.

And Ush, I am right there with what you are saying, however, the UK did not fight the Nazi's alone.

KharmaDog> I'm stupid. 😛

And Ush, that was the single best moment of my life....when you stuck it to that guy. 😱

KharmaDog> About the "alone" comment from Ush, I'll assume he meant with the help and involvment of Canada, French Resistance, etc.....😛

Originally posted by Ushgarak
My knowledge of that period is in fact considerable and extensive. It so happens that the Great Depression affected the whole world. America's economy was far stroinger than Europe's by the time war broke out, however.

The unwillingness of the Ameican people to go to war is well known to me, and why should they? The States wee following an isolationist policy.

However, your total ignorance is being professed by saying Pearl Harbour would not have happened were it not for France's fall. That is total bilge. Japan planned that attack for ages ahead and totally irrelevant to events in France- it was caused by Japan/American tensions which were nothing to do with Europe.

If Germany had not declared war on the States, then France falling or otherwise, the total number of troops you would have sent to Europe would have been a fat zero.

Like I say, this is not said in the spirit of criticism... but it is a FACT. To say American involement was due to the fall of France is simply untrue. For a whole year after the fall of France, the UK fought the Nazis alone. It is clear to anyone with a brain that therefore this issue was NOT the one that decided your involvement.

Wow you type fast. Anyway you're right. I confused the events (They are a lot of events) I applaud you. But America won the war anyway. The UK was fighting a losing battle. The Nazis have conquered most of Europe by the time the US involved themselves.

Yes the States helped. But you didn't "win the war" by yourselves.
*Points at post and suggests that it is pure American political-bull$hit and propaganda*
Aw, hell no!
😱

No Euripedes, The British and their allies weren't fighting a losong Battle. It was a Stalemate at best on the Western Front. On the Eastern Front Russia ended up kicking Germany's ass.

Germany didn't have the resources to continue such a prolonged conflict. I would not discount the contribution of any nation in WW2, But I definately cannot say that the U.S.A. won the war, nor do I think that any american vetrans who served in europe would say that.

No, the UK was safe; the Nazis couldn't cross the Channel. It was the Russians that defeated the Nazis. Not that we aren't thankful for American support, because the alternative would have been the Russians spreading the influence from Japan in the East to France in the West and our influence would have become non-existent, and post-war no-one could have survived without the Americans. Europe's debt to the US is incalculable. But it was the Russians who did the work at the time.

*Agrees*

well....well.....

we did a bonnie job stealing Texas! 😛

😆

Originally posted by Euripides
http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.p...26-045615-4690r

The source is inaccurate and incredibly biased. It's a very liberal and peace-seeking (It's called WorldPeaceHerald for god's sake). The information is untrustworthy.

Hell, I still hear people trusting FOX, and that's worse.

oh and great job Mike.

Those are some good articles and nice information you provided.

the war was a team effort🙂

Russia was needed to keep most of the German forces occupied, while the US was needed to successfully open a 2nd front. Both countries were needed to win that war.

About Iran, the geography is different. Its a mountainous nation. The problem won't be beating the irani army but the large guerrilla war that would start. Many more US soldiers would be killed, and it be like Vietnam but the mountains are causing the trouble not the jungle. Also the Irani's are one group of Muslims and unlike Iraq they would be united if the US ever invaded. However the whole world will belief that the US is taking over the middle east. Well the war can happen, because bush being a simple man is very unpredictable. The US would win the war but would face large casualties! The US empire would fell and go to china but not in our lifetime. Every empire falls you ignorant fools.

True the US can do it alone, but its a fact that the situation in Iraq would be better if the whole world came in. They won't in Iran. Why?? The Canadian and European government's would face political suicide if they join. I doubt Britain would came along this time because it would be the end of Blair, however Bush talks of bringing democracy to the world. That worries me because they clearly shows he will invade somebody!!

Also people can be Anti american if they please. The whole puropse of this cursade is to bring freedom to the world and freedom includes free speech as i last remember. lol

no, the US's downfall will be if UK attacks us or terrorists take this war to the homeland. UK is one of oour only strong allies...

Do you think the UK would actually attack the U.S.? What kinda meds are you on? 😑

never gonna happen

hey you never know.
those damn british...you gotta watch them.
😛 😂

lol yeah....u cant trust us 😈

The danger, as someone said, would be terrorists taking war to our countries.

But to MY KNOWLEDGE, can't say I'm too well versed on Iranian technique, they don't have anywhere near that kind of ability.

-AC