How To Get To Heaven When You Die

QUOTE=7194392]Originally posted by peejayd
* there's no problem with the verses, my friend, only your interpretations... firstly, let us tackle John 1:1-3...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made."
John 1:1-3

* you will defy the very logic of the statement... who was with God? if Christ is God? He is with Himself? what kind of logic is that?

Since it appears that my posts are not clear enough read my response to Regret in this thread with respect to your comments.

* in I Timothy 3:16, yes, the word "God" there refers to Christ but that does not mean that Christ is the Father...

Since it appears that my posts are not clear enough read my response to Regret in this thread with respect to your comments.

"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
I Timothy 3:16

* now the first thing you should think of is, can the Father manifest Himself in the flesh? can He?

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"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, neither shadow that is cast by turning."
James 1:17

"Before the mountains were made, or the earth and the world was formed; from eternity and to eternity thou art God."
Psalms 90:2

* the Father cannot change, He is God from eternity to eternity... so, the "God" who manifested in the flesh is Christ and NOT the Father...

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* that's not what Christ tried to imply on John 8:58... let us read the context of the verse...

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.
The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?"
John 8:56-57

* that is the question: "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?", so what is the reply of Christ?

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am."
John 8:58

* Jesus countered, before Abraham was born, Christ was already in existence, Christ exists before Abraham... that was Christ's answer... and to be perfectly blunt, let us read other translation to support my statement...

"Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"
John 8:58
New Living Translation

* Christ never said that He is the "I am", His statement says He existed even before Abraham was born...

I held/hold this understanding and interpretation before I submitted this post. But Jesus could have used any other term to exrpress that He pre-existed Abraham. Jesus deliberately chose to use the expression I AM. Jesus could have easily said, "you know fellas, I existed before Abraham was born." Jesus could have said it this way too: "Before Abraham "was" I "was." His audience would have easily understood Him had He used either expression. But Jesus didn't do that. Well, what did Jesus do/say: Jesus used the self-existent term that His Father used. Jesus and the Father are one God but different Persons. Jesus is God--the Son. The Lord God is God--the Father. The Spirit of God is God--the Holy Spirit.

* your statement was not in accord with I Corinthians 8:6...

I have already responded to this in my post entitled, "Peejayd Response 1 How To Get To Heaven When You Die (continued)" under 1 Timothy 2:5.

* i agree that Christ is the image of the Father, but They are not one entity... and if Christ is the image of the Father, then Christ is really not the Father...

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* yes, according to the prophesy, Jesus Christ would be called "Wonderful", "Counsellor", "Mighty God", "Everlasting Father", and "Prince of Peace"...

* Christ being the Son of God, albeit, the Wisdom and the Power of God (I Corinthians 1:24), He really is a Mighty God...

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* Christ is also everlasting...

I don't understand why you made this statement.

"But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting."
Micah 5:2

* Christ is also a father to the apostles, not The Father, but a father to them... a father, a teacher or a master, a friend...

I don't know why you said this.

"And Jesus turned, and beheld them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? And they said unto him, Rabbi (which is to say, being interpreted, Teacher), where abideth thou?"
John 1:38

"No longer do I call you servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I heard from my Father, I have made known unto you."
John 15:15

"Jesus therefore saith unto them, Children, have ye aught to eat? They answered him, No."
John 21:5

"For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
Jude 1:4

* there's no problem worshipping Christ, i believe that He is a God... you have to prove first that the Father Himself is the one who manifested in the flesh...

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* the Father and Christ have power and authority to forgive sins...

How convenient 🙂

I am just adding a little levity to this whole situation. God the Father, and God the Son are both God, along with God the Holy Spirit. That is because each divine Person is in the fraternity known as the Godhead if you would.

"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask anything in my name, that will I do."
John 14:13-14

* under the law of Moses, yes but when the Father gave birth to Christ, the Father Himself exalted Christ and made His angels worship Christ...

Uh...Peejayd...Father's don't give birth....Mary (who formerly was a virgin at Jesus conception) gave birth, not the Father.

"And when he again bringeth in the firstborn into the world he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."
Hebrews 1:6

* even the angels are commanded to worship Christ, moreso for us, humans... [/B]

I don't really understand this statement.

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Originally posted by peejayd
* and may i add, not only Saint Peter witnessed all of it...

"And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple. Now that disciple was known unto the high priest, and entered in with Jesus into the court of the high priest;
but Peter was standing at the door without. So the other disciple, who was known unto the high priest, went out and spake unto her that kept the door, and brought in Peter."
John 18:15-16

"That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we beheld, and our hands handled, concerning the Word of life
(and the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare unto you the life, the eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us);"
I John 1:1-2

* Saint John also witnessed all of it...

But I am not disputing that. Why are you adding that when it is not germane to our discussion? I know full well that the apostle Peter was not the only person who witnessed the events that I described. But I simply focused on Peter because the "issue" that is under discussion is your assertion that Jesus is a god and not God, God the Son. I use this passage of Scripture because Peter stated under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is our great God and Savior. This verse in Peter supports my stance. So that is the only reason that I only cited Peter. Do you follow me?

* my argument still stands, Christ is a God but Christ is not God...

But just "what" does your argument stand on?.

"And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all."
I Corinthians 15:28

* the verse simply stated that the Father is different from the Son...

Already responded to this, next. I never said or indicated (intentionally) that Jesus is the Father. I said that Jesus is God the Son. Jesus occupies the Godhead just as the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Himself said "I and My Father are One. So there is oneness or unity in the Godhead but yet (at the same time) each divine Person is distinct. This is a mystery but Truth nonetheless. However, since it appears that my posts are not clear enough read my response to Regret in this thread with respect to your comments.

* where is it?

"This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood.
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.
For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for the witness of God is this, that he hath borne witness concerning his Son."
I John 5:6-9

* do more research, my friend, this passage (I John 5:7 in King James Version) was spuriously added and was not included in the original manuscripts...

I too have heard that. Nevertheless, I have provided Scriptures that nevertheless support the principle/concept of the Godhead (i.e., One God, Three distinct, divine Persons).

* both the Father and Christ are called the Alpha and Omega... and They are both Almighty...

I am not disputing this. I just employ this verse in support of what the Bible affirms that Jesus is: God, God--the Son, and not a god.

"And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory ."
Luke 21:27

"Awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"
Titus 2:13

* Christ will appear and shall be seen by people...

I sense that your motivation for submitting these posts today were because you think that I am saying that Jesus is the Father. But I said that Jesus is God, God the Son, not God the Father. Although they are one, that does not mean that they are the same Person.

Nevertheless, it appears that my posts are not clear enough read my response to Regret in this thread with respect to your comments.

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for man shall not see me and live."
Exodus 33:20

"Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;"
Colossians 1:15

* the Father shall not be seen by people... 😉

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Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Oh the humanity.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
QUOTE=7194392]Originally posted by peejayd
[B]* there's no problem with the verses, my friend, only your interpretations... firstly, let us tackle John 1:1-3...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made."
John 1:1-3

In the beginning there is nothing..no word..the universe was not born with word...the universe is beginningless and endless beyond space-time continoum....the word of God is made by Man-the Bible.

Originally posted by mahasattva
In the beginning there is nothing..no word..the universe was not born with word...the universe is beginningless and endless beyond space-time continoum....the word of God is made by Man-the Bible.

He will not understand you. It is like asking a blind man to describe the color red when he has never seen color.

perhaps red is more a feeling?

Originally posted by Alliance
perhaps red is more a feeling?

🙄 Are you defending him? 😱

"defending"

He's mine.

...excpet I'm on ignore.

which btw...if you want JIA to ignore you...insult the Chirsitian Holy Spirit.

Originally posted by Regret
I read the post.

I believe you have stated that you believe in the Trinitarian doctrine as stated in the Nicene Creed. I paraphrase, but you have stated that you believe that there is one God that is manifested in three personages, all of which are the singular entity God. Jesus and the Father are separate presentations of the same God, differing in form and purpose, but the same singular entity God. If I am wrong here, correct me.

Stop right there Regret. Show me where I said that Jesus differs in purpose? I am starting to see a pattern. I will write one thing and mean one thing, but then when I am quoted something is else is understood or interpreted. I have not ever stated that Jesus differs in purpose. On the contrary here is what I said: [COLOR=darkblue]"...The Father and the Son are on the same page in thought, will, deed, agenda, purpose, power, intellect, etc." [/COLOR]

If this is true, then the Bible references I quoted are misleading and are thus lies regardless of other reference supposedly supporting Trinitarian belief. That is what I stated.

Your statement "Jesus is not the Father but Jesus is God. Did you get that? God doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father it just means that He too is among the Godhead." may mean that I am incorrect in your view of what the Godhead is, and if I am then my statements are in error as to your belief, and I am sorry if I am wrong and have posted as such. If your view is that the Godhead is three separate and distinct beings that are one in purpose, but not in substance, then I apologize for my remarks.

So far so good except, what do you mean by substance?

If your view is not this, then I do not apologize, and I still hold my statements as correct in their intent as well as content. [/B]

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Stop right there Regret. Show me where I said that Jesus differs in purpose? I am starting to see a pattern. I will write one thing and mean one thing, but then when I am quoted something is else is understood or interpreted. I have not ever stated that Jesus differs in purpose. On the contrary here is what I said: "...The Father and the Son are on the same page in thought, will, deed, agenda, purpose, power, intellect, etc."

I apologize, my statement held a typo, it should have been "differing in form but not purpose"

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So far so good except, what do you mean by substance?

By substance I am referring to them being the exact same entity, so reworded:

If your view is that the Godhead is three separate and distinct beings that are one in purpose, but not being one singular entity, then I apologize for my remarks.

Originally posted by Alliance
"defending"

He's mine.

...excpet I'm on ignore.

which btw...if you want JIA to ignore you...insult the Chirsitian Holy Spirit.

Hmmm. That would explain why he doesn't answer my posts anymore either... not that I insulted the Holy Spirit, but rather proved to rational it seems.

Thats ok, I was condemned, called the Anti-Christ and then...

....ignored fear

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats ok, I was condemned, called the Anti-Christ and then...

....ignored fear

Well, if your the Anti-Christ you should want to be ignored. Remember "The Devil's greatest accomplishment was convincing the world he didn't exist." I see no reason why the Anti-Christ should be any different.

...because I'm something more than the Anti-Christ.

Mr. Smith. May I introduce to you....your only Hope

Your After-Life Dream: HEAVEN

Someday your heart will stop beating. A day will come when you will no longer casts a shadow in the sun. It could happen just about anytime…..and you know that. Whether you believe it or not, after you go from here you only have two final destinations: a) A forever life of being separated from God or b] a forever life of being w/ Him, the source of all true joy and bliss.

You want to be in heaven of course…..That’s your after-life dream.

Your Hindrance to Heaven: YOU

Why does it seem easy to do bad than to do good? Why does it seem easy to take revenge than not to? God seem so far away when you pray? Do you remember the last time you prayed? The Bible is God’s Word, yet you don’t delight in it. God’s commandments seemed a burden to you.

A chain around your neck. An annoying fence around your freedom. A rain on your parade. A kill-joy in your party. You can’t control your urges and desires. Every time you see some titillating scenes on T.V. or in the movie house, you either have “acted” it out already in your mind or have planned to do it with someone you are not married to.

Going to church is a drag and a sleeping pill. Even words like “holiness”, “Bible”, “righteousness”, “godliness” and etc. bore you. Sends your sleeping juices on the automatic. Maybe you have heard of someone who died in their sleep, you realized your own mortality, you got scared of death, so you started doing good, you started reforming your ways but after some time the feelings wore off and your back again to your old self.

You tried to be holy and righteous but it’s just not you. Or maybe you are someone who thinks that God will grade you on a curve. That if your good deeds outweigh your bad ones you’ll walk right in to heaven.

Actually, all these are the symptoms of a spiritually dead person. To be lovingly honest, this is what the Bible calls: “…….alienated from the life of God”[Ephesians 4:18]. God’s ways are holiness and righteousness because He is holy and righteous. Only those who have God’s Holy Spirit can desire and live a holy and righteous life. The problem is YOU. A singer, sings. A dancer, dances. A sinner, sins. Only not as a profession but as a way of life because of the sinful nature innate in you.

God’s Standard: PERFECT RIGHTEOUSNESS

You are familiar with the story of Adam and Eve. No, I will not run that story again to you. Rather, I’ll asks you some questions: 1) Where were Adam and Eve before the Fall? Answer: Paradise 2) After the Fall where were they? Answer: Out of Paradise. 3) What sin did they commit that they were driven out of Paradise? Answer: they ate of the forbidden fruit. 4) How many sin was that? Answer: One. A simple dietary command.

Can you count the number of times you have sinned against God whether in thought, in motive or intentions, in desires, in words and actions? You see, you need to sin only once, whether it be a sin in thought, in motives or intentions, in desires, in words and actions to make you a sure candidate for the lake of fire.

Your subsequent sins will determine only the degree of punishment you’ll be having in hell. God Almighty is that holy. God demands perfect obedience to His law. Perfect obedience from birth to death.

Though there are degrees of sin, any single sin in whatever degree is big enough to plunge you to hell, even if you do not feel like it. Feeling is not the deciding factor here, but the fact. Fact is: You have sinned. And the “wages of sin is death”(physical, spiritual-eternal death in the lake of fire). Romans 6:23. No happy campers there.

God’s Solution to Man’s Desperate Condition: JESUS CHRIST

In God’s eyes no man living is righteous(Psalm 143:2). Because ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God(Romans 3:23). And the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God(1 Corinthians 6:9-10). In order for man to enter the kingdom of God, he must have perfect righteousness. He cannot find perfect righteousness in himself because no matter how hard he tries to be perfectly righteous in thought, in motives, in desires, words and actions, try as he might, he just cannot.

His best works are not free from the smear of sin. That’s why Isaiah says: ”But we are all like an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are like filthy rags…”(Isaiah 64:6). We cannot find perfect righteousness then in ourselves. Our condition’s desperate. Oh! For God to send Someone who will fulfill perfectly all of God’s commandments, gain perfect righteousness and give it to me. Someone who will die for my sins-past, present and future sins- and completely take away all my sins so that in God’s eyes I will be perfectly righteous!

That Someone is the Lord Jesus Christ. Two thousand years ago He came, lived a perfectly righteous life, paid the sins of sinners once for all time(Heb.10:11-12) by dying on the cross, resurrected and ascended to heaven. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world(John 1:29). In Him is perfect righteousness(Jeremiah 23:6, 1 Corinthians 1:30).

God so loved the world that He gave His Son to die for the sins of sinners and was raised that anyone who will put their trust in Him alone for forgiveness of all sins, God will declare righteous. He will have a right relationship with God.

Without the Savior who died on the cross, there will be no forgiveness of sins no matter how sincere you may be in asking for forgiveness. Without the Savior who died on the cross, no human being in all of time-from Adam to the last human beings who will be on earth in the last day-will enter the kingdom of heaven. Without the Savior dying on the cross for the sins of sinners, there will be no going to heaven even if you do good all the time.

“I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me”(John 14:6).

Put your trust in the Savior alone my friend. Repent, turn from your sins and turn to Him. He’s your only hope. Now is the time to settle your eternal destiny.

“Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts…….”(Hebrews 3:15).

You will have nothing to lose, but everything to gain. For when you have God in your life, you have everything.

Oh, go away.

ANOTHER one??

Tap-dancing Christ, check one of the other half dozen preaching threads and go away.

Heaven is not a place you go after you die.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
ANOTHER one??

Tap-dancing Christ, check one of the other half dozen preaching threads and go away.

Its JESUS TAP-DANCING CHRIST!

The whole concept and access demands of the Christian heaven are utter bullshit, made up by corrupted 'representatives of God' for the sole purpose of indoctrinating their followers.
And if there truly was a God, he would have silenced them ages ago