Originally posted by Alliance
He had to build new luxy condo's for the ultra-rich, as he did not want them mixing with the lowlife plebs. Bad for advertising, and the stockholders weren't pleased.
I always wondered how people would feel getting to heaven... would there be class wars? Or would it be like this...
Originally posted by Storm
Where in the bible can the first mention of the concept of original sin be found?
There is no such thing as "original sin" per se. The phrase is not in the Bible. But the first sin committed by humans occurred in the garden (I know that you already know this). Sorry if this doesn't answer your question. Maybe you could clarify what you mean.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is no such thing as "original sin" per se. The phrase is not in the Bible. But the first sin committed by humans occurred in the garden (I know that you already know this). Sorry if this doesn't answer your question. Maybe you could clarify what you mean.
She was rather clear, the concept of "original sin", meaning the idea that all men are somehow held "accountable for"/"impacted by" the sin of partaking of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Originally posted by Regret
She was rather clear, the concept of "original sin", meaning the idea that all men are somehow held accountable/impacted for the sin of partaking of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
In that case here it tis:
Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world , and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:19
19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners , so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
1 Corinthians 15:21-22
21 For since by man came death , by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die , even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
To summarize: Adam, as the first man, represented all of humanity. As Adam goes, so goes the rest of us. Adam's sin let death into the world (that is why we die). Sin's penalty is death (the wages of sin is death). We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. Adam's sin "nature" as it were passed to everyone, and so death (sin's consequence) was also passed onto us.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
To summarize: Adam, as the first man, represented all of humanity. As Adam goes, so goes the rest of us. Adam's sin let death into the world (that is why we die). Sin's penalty is death (the wages of sin is death). We are all descendants of Adam and Eve. Adam's sin "nature" as it were passed to everyone, and so death (sin's consequence) was also passed onto us.
And thats sounds logical to you? If my father is a thief and a murderer then I should be held accountable for being a thief and a murderer too? It doesn't seem a tad bit draconian to you?
Originally posted by Robtard
And thats sounds logical to you? If my father is a thief and a murderer then I should be held accountable for being a thief and a murderer too? It doesn't seem a tad bit draconian to you?
Hypothetically speaking if your parents had some type of communicable disease or medical problem that "runs in the family" guess what? It is highly probable that you will inherit that problem. Have you ever heard of male-pattern baldness? Just another for instance of something that can pass from generation to generation (perhaps skip one or more). Genetics is a powerful thing as well. Children are a composite of their parents chromosomes and other transferable characteristics. Right? Right! So it is not inconceivable that spiritual things can also be transferred (either blessings or curses). It is all in the Bible .
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Hypothetically speaking if your parents had some type of communicable disease or medical problem that "runs in the family" guess what? It is highly probable that you will inherit that problem. Have you ever heard of male-pattern baldness? Just another for instance of something that can pass from generation to generation (perhaps skip one or more). Genetics is a powerful thing as well. Children are a composite of their parents chromosomes and other transferable characteristics. Right? Right! So it is not inconceivable that spiritual things can also be transferred (either blessings or curses). It is all in the Bible .
So if my father is a thief and a murderer, he will pass the 'thief gene' and 'murderer gene' on to me for certain? Funny, I personally know a woman who's father is a thief and a murderer and she is neither. So, do you not think it is a bit severe of God to automatically judge us because of our ancestors? We have free will right? We might as well accuse and sentence babies of crimes the moment of their birth.
I'm asking you to share your knowledge and your thoughts, please stop beating people over the head with "It is all in the Bible " as the end all be all to the debate. That's just bad form.
Originally posted by Robtard
So if my father is a thief and a murderer, he will pass the 'thief gene' and 'murderer gene' on to me for certain? Funny, I personally know a woman who's father is a thief and a murderer and she is neither. So, do you not think it is a bit severe of God to automatically judge us because of our ancestors? We have free will right? We might as well accuse and sentence babies of crimes the moment of their birth.I'm asking you to share your knowledge and your thoughts, please stop beating people over the head with "It is all in the Bible " as the end all be all to the debate. That's just bad form.
Don't be foolish. Unless you are privy to some information that there is such a thing as a "thief gene" don't use that premise for your arguments, I will began to doubt your intelligence.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
In that case, you are a rapist, murderer, thief, liar and a sodomite(there's more but I do not want to make the post 5 pages long)... I promise you that sometime in your family tree, even if you only believe that the Earth is 6k years old you have had at least one of the above in it and by your logic they, your ancestors "passed" these sins onto you.
So can I call you a f@ggot now and be justified considering your own views?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Don't be foolish. Unless you are privy to some information that there is such a thing as a "thief gene" don't use that premise for your arguments, I will began to doubt your intelligence.
You call me foolish? You said the above yourself and you said "it is all in the Bible" and you accuse me of it (see below) WTF dude?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"Children are a composite of their parents chromosomes and other transferable characteristics. Right? Right! So it is not inconceivable that spiritual things can also be transferred (either blessings or curses). It is all in the Bible."
Originally posted by Robtard
In that case, you are a rapist, murderer, thief, liar and a sodomite(there's more but I do not want to make the post 5 pages long)... I promise you that sometime in your family tree, even if you only believe that the Earth is 6k years old you have had at least one of the above in it and by your logic they, your ancestors "passed" these sins onto you.So can I call you a f@ggot now and be justified considering your own views?
You can call me whatever you want Robtard, that does not make me that. Similarly, you can put any label you want on the outside of a carton of milk but it is still milk on the "inside."
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You can call me whatever you want Robtard, that does not make me that. Similarly, you can put any label you want on the outside of a carton of milk but it is still milk on the "inside."
Hey, I'm using your own logic, these are your own thoughts and beliefs; I am not making it up, if you don't like it, stop giving me the ammo.
Originally posted by Robtard
You call me foolish? You said the above yourself and you accuse me of it:"Children are a composite of their parents chromosomes and other transferable characteristics. Right? Right! So it is not inconceivable that spiritual things can also be transferred (either blessings or curses). It is all in the Bible."
WTF!?
I am trying desperately to give your intellect the benefit of the doubt but it seems that doubt is outweighing everything else. What you say and what I have said (am saying) are two different things. I am not talking about "character flaws" with regard to our parents. In Adam's case I am talking about a "spiritual" something. But in our parents case I was just using that as an "analogy" to illustrate spiritual truth. I am not saying that if your daddy was an alcoholic (for example) that you are going to end up as one. But if your parents had some genetic trait, yes that can be passed on to you. Remember I started out talking about Adam and sin, so that is the premise. Don't get off on tangents get back to the original premise because that is the context with which to understand everything else subsequent to it.