Originally posted by sexyking
Well superman isnt know for Bullshitting so if he said blackadam would have gone down from that moon punch then he would have.
Superman also claimed that by going faster than mach speed..... he would cause lots of environmental disasters.
etc ........ Superman isn't known for lying but......
Originally posted by leonidas
not even sbp managed that particular feat. or does everyone think sbp was holding back too . . .? 😖hifty:
You guys want to know why people don't buy the mental blocks excuse? No matter what power up Superman gets or how many mental blocks he decides to drop on a given day, his peers will always be shown and said to be his equal in a direct confrontation. That will never change.
Originally posted by kgkg
ya superman alos claimed he is no where near light speed........ hmmmm that seems wrong now.Superman also claimed that by going faster than mach speed..... he would cause lots of environmental disasters.
etc ........ Superman isn't known for lying but......
😕 well perhaps he was unaware of some of his abilities or the effect his power might have on the environment.
Originally posted by Ming Tea!
The bottom line is in all out fight, KC Superman would kill Captain Marvel eventually. KC Superman was physically superior to Marvel. Marvel's only leg up was the fact that his powers were magic based. He even got killed from a metahuman hardened warhead. Superman was in the same blast and emerged untouched. The current Captain Marvel though, can beat the current Superman with supreme effort.
Marvel was holding onto the warhead when it detonated. Superman was on the ground, virtually miles away.
"Not pulling punches and going all out are different in a sense. Superman DID NOT EVER go all out against Black Adam."
If you dont pull punches you arent holding back at strength.
It isent the same as saying Superman used everything he could, BA didnt do that either. But again what he used (strength) wasent in a controlled fashion.
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"How many of those fights you named was Superman even in control???
Through the course of the Crisis and leadup, he was influenced by Maxwell Lord and Psycho Pirate. Eclipso against CM.."
It means you dont accept mindcontrol as = not holding back? And mincontrol with that specific porpuse, at that.
As long he doesnt hold back, what does it matters the way he snaps.
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"He wasn't exactly fighting as Superman would, in fact, his whole mentality was off when he fought Diana. He thought Manchester Black killed Lois, and didn't act a thing like that."
Writters determine how characters figth and not all agree with each other.
Then you also have the fact that Rucka or anyone can trow the possibility that either Max was a better telepath or DD makes him snap the worst.
Or more easy, he sometimes snap the worst and sometimes has more control. Its not a rule, but something needs to be clear. It has happened.
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"Against BA?
As soon as Supes said he was going to end it.. . suddenly someone didn't want to try going tangling anymore. Supes even gave the comment that leads one to believe he was about to drop BA in one shot."
In case you havent noticed BA didnt want to exactly tangle since the beginning. He was aware Supes was being controlled. In the same beginning that Superman cleary states hes not going to hold back.
If the "a moon level punch" would be enough to pull a ko or not , we dont know.
Originally posted by leonidasSBP hit BA with a backhand. You cannot get nowhere near the power in a backhand that you can in a straight punch or a cross.
not even sbp managed that particular feat. or does everyone think sbp was holding back too . . .? 😖hifty:
Anyways Supes was obviously holding back in the fight with BA. Why?
A. Supes rescued a innocent bystander. If he was going all out he wouldn't even bother with that. That's a weakness for Supes and a advantage for BA and BA knew it.
B. He didn't hit BA when he turned his back on him. If Supes was trying to actually stop/harm BA he would have hit him with the moon-buster.
Sure BA may have not been going all-out but neither was Supes. It's not really a good fight to gauge on the outcome of CM/Superman cause I think BA could take CM on the majority.
CM holds back agaist Supes all the time because he doesn't want to hurt him. And the reason CM was on Supes nuts so hard in First Thunder was because it was his first time meeting a legend anyone would be in awe. But in First Thunder CM also told Supes to be still because he did not want to hurt him Supes said that he never gets winded but he never said that that punch would not hurt him.Any way everyone is talking about Supes heat vision and mental blocks the point is Supes power comes from the sun CM's come from gods which limit is higher.
Originally posted by Draco69
Superman was holding back. He withstood his attacks. He just wanted to knock some sense into the crazy bastard.
captian marvel is just as tough as supes with our without magic. And the fact that supes holds back is his greatest weakness.
Marvel smoked supes in that encounter and supermans resilence to magic and everything els went through the roof do to the fact that hes been exposed to the sun for so long. give credit where credit is due.
cap beat the crap outta him.
Originally posted by Never
How was KC Superman "physically superior?" Are they not considered to be nigh equals in terms of physical strength? Here is something to consider (and this was PC):http://members.ozemail.com.au/~scunge/shazam/SupvsCap.jpg
At any rate, most consider his magical lightning the difference maker.
Re: the nuclear warhead blast, in Marvel's defense, he took on the warhead directly -- Superman was "near" the blast.
ya dont agree with the physically superior deal either there was no proof that supes was superior to marvel. Thats just another thing supes fans use to defend supes when he fails . The kc version of supes had nothing for marvel. But i do think supes was holding out a bit.
And lets be honest folks. Even before the magical lighting cap has always done well against supes regaurdless id say between 50/50 to 40/60 in supes favor.
Originally posted by Draco69
Yep. Magical punches are Superman's bane.
magical punches? so thers some maghical aura that backing each physical punch with captian marvel? thoses are physical punches he just inherited some of the abilities of some of the greek gods. i have never seen evidence that each hits is actually a magical blow.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
What are you talking about? When the fight ended with BA Supes was just starting to get rollin when BA turned his back on him when he was gonna punch him.Sounds to me like BA knew he was in over his head so he stopped fighting cause he knew Supes wouldn't hit him with his back turned.
What are you talking about at the end of that fight supes was bruised his cape was torn to threads and supes was a rageing lunatic. BA had no interest in the fight was completely calm the whole fight.
Supes was getting smoked geeesh folks i like supes but quit with the fanboy crap.
BA>supes anyday of the week unless supes is willing to kill him then id give the edge to supe 6/4
Originally posted by Soleran
SM has a difficult time beating Black Adam as he always has a back up plan and I have NEVER seen SM take it BA so that BA couldn't handle it................................CM=BA in powerset...............oh and thanks Blair Wind do you have a scan of that feat🙂 Throw it in with BA thread for fun ✅ 🐰
supes has never beat black adam.
