Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's because on KMC people unilaterally ignore Superman's acute magic weakness and only countenance speaking of it when it comes to Captain Marvel because he isn't [b](a) a Marvel character like Thor, or (b) a woman like Wonder Woman.Of course, even with Captain Marvel, people will still pretend like it doesn't matter. We've seen him get pwned by it. What's your point? That Superman has to go to great lengths to avoid getting pwned by it (and still does)? Magic is a game-changing advantage.
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Disagree, for several reasons.
Pre Crisis, the magic weakness was more pronounced then it is now, but it's never been a factor in physical conflict with Marvel or Adam. The magic lightning would mess him up, but not punches from Cap or Adam.
And it's disingenious to claim KMC ignores the weakness in Wonder Woman, as her magic endowments likewise haven't been treated as a weakness, ever.
John Byrne was a writer who believed Supes had a specific weakness to magic (As opposed to someone like Busiek, who has argued on CBR he has no special weakness, but that any character who lacks special defenses against magic would have the same problems Supes does, including other high end bricks), and yet when Supes faced Morgan Le Fey and created a magic cage, which Etrigan the Demon and Le Fey herself believed was unbreakable, Superman easily shattered it. Supes goes on to explain that she only used magic to shape the cage, but the cage itself had no magic properties against him, and so he was able to shatter it.
With Wonder Woman, this appears to be how her magic nature is treated. Her magic is manifested as "shaping her", via giving her life, and empowering her. But that's not the same as using magic offensively, such as in a spell.
With Cap, being able to use magic outside of lightning is a recent phenomenon.
But it's clearly NOT a game changing attack, as multiple versions of Superman have taken both his magically charged punches with little damage, and survived his magical lightning. Clearly, even the writers who believe this magic weakness is, in fact, a weakness and not a simple lack of defenses (Therefore magic will affect Superman worse then, say, The Hulk, and not the same as), don't believe it spells instant defeat vs Cap, or such would be demonstrated. (And Supermans comment under Loeb notwithstanding, such was not demonstrated, as the best Cap could do with two unanswered punches is a lightly bloodied nose, while Supes was suffering from the effects of a Kryptonite asteroid.)
