Superman vs. Shazam! ( Captain Marvel)

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Ok we disagree, that's ok with me. I think the people can read both fights an decide for themselves what makes more sense to them.

Superman vs WW. Blind with rage and hate. Trying to make her suffer and kill her in the end (or trying to kill her from the go, which version the people read out of it, it's up to them).
Superman vs the Probes, where he plows through them, without emotion, in cold blood if you wish, effective, focused. And we shouldn't forget that single probes could defeat the entire JLA and WW too, a fight between her and a probe (in her Battlearmor w/weapons) alsmost killed her.

The Scans are up.

Wonder Woman gauging his eyes with her superspeed and wrestling away with superstrength is a credit to her resiliency, not an indication that some haziness rendered Superman stupid and handicapped.

But our ultimate divergence is likely the product of my disbelief that all Imperiex probes were created the same. And that's a wholly separate discussion.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I see a huge difference, but as said I have no problem with disagreeing, as long as we stay polite, everything is cool.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol @ the past two pages.

BUT... BUT... BUT... They were all made the same ODG... Amirite? Never mind the fact that they demostrated a clear difference in power against a variety of foes....

I like Captain Marvel but cmon.....

ah yeah the thread. split or a sligh majority to SM

Originally posted by shokosugi
I like Captain Marvel but cmon.....

Originally posted by bbmaru
Actually, in Kingdom Come, Captain Marvel Grabbed the warhead and said shazam 3 times, without moving out of the way. In the Billy-Captain Marvel-Billy scenario, he would have been human when the warhead exploded.

Perhaps he needs to think these things thru a bit more....

I think that Marvel was under the warhead. So all three bolts hit the nuke. None of which would have hit him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
... doodoo face. ahah

Ha ha at least your patience exceeds mine. I wouldn't have bothered trying to breakdown Sacrifice as it seems entirely obvious to me what most of us should have gotten from the story,

Originally posted by quanchi112
Out of ten how many does superman win ?

Whatever he thinks wouldn't contradict what he said.

You can like a character, and still believe he loses a majority.

Originally posted by cdtm
Whatever he thinks wouldn't contradict what he said.

You can like a character, and still believe he loses a majority.

An all out Superman wins 10/10

Originally posted by shokosugi
An all out Superman wins 10/10

Just.... No

Originally posted by shokosugi
An all out Superman wins 10/10

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ha ha at least your patience exceeds mine. I wouldn't have bothered trying to breakdown Sacrifice as it seems entirely obvious to me what most of us should have gotten from the story,

It is unless you are wearing superman sycophant goggles. They make supes fans wet dreams become comic book reality with no regard for on panel truth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman tried killing WW with it and it didn't come anywhere close to it so we have an example of superman trying to kill a weaker character and it falling short. You never have any proof but we usually can prove you wrong.

There's an argument that Superman wanted to torture her and is the reason for why his HV didn't go through her. There is an argument that Diana may be more resistant against HV than we think.
There is an argument that since HV has been shown on panel to go through Superman's body like liquid then it could definitely go through both Diana or CM the same.

Now I'm not saying Superman will one shot CM in this fight (he won't) but it will prove as an advantage to get the upper hand. After all we seen what it did to BA's face. And that was MM's HV, Superman's can be on another level IF HE WANTS IT TO BE.

Originally posted by h1a8
After all we seen what it did to BA's face. And that was MM's HV, Superman's can be on another level IF HE WANTS IT TO BE.

2 things

1. Black Adams durability took a big dive in WW3

2. HV did little more then make his face look disfigured and pi$$ him off....everything taken into account it was a pretty useless attack.

It barely slowed Adam down. And Adam one shotted him.

Originally posted by shokosugi
An all out Superman wins 10/10

Originally posted by h1a8
It went through her skin to her bones. Imagine if he would have shot it between her ribs to her heart or a vital organ.

There's an argument that Superman wanted to torture her and is the reason for why his HV didn't go through her. There is an argument that Diana may be more resistant against HV than we think.
There is an argument that since HV has been shown on panel to go through Superman's body like liquid then it could definitely go through both Diana or CM the same.

Now I'm not saying Superman will one shot CM in this fight (he won't) but it will prove as an advantage to get the upper hand. After all we seen what it did to BA's face. And that was MM's HV, Superman's can be on another level IF HE WANTS IT TO BE.

BA took on a whole slew of heroes so to suggest a one on one fight is anything even remotely close to fighting a gang of heroes coming at you from every side is also another argument with no merit. Hv can damage all of theses characters but it can also be shrugged off like WW did in the fight where Superman wanted her dead. The evidence supports me whereas nothing supports you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's far different than from WW defending herself with her reflexes and what not. WW can kill Superman as well with her tiara if he just stands there and both have the power to kill the other but acting as if oneshotting WW is supported by anything in comics when you take her character into account is without merit.

BA took on a whole slew of heroes so to suggest a one on one fight is anything even remotely close to fighting a gang of heroes coming at you from every side is also another argument with no merit. Hv can damage all of theses characters but it can also be shrugged off like WW did in the fight where Superman wanted her dead. The evidence supports me whereas nothing supports you.

Superman has fine control of his HV. Trust me, Superman at his best can make it go completely through them like a hot knife thru butter. The proof is when it was shown to through him like that. Superman wouldn't turn it on to this degree in a fight against CM. But it will give him a decisive advantage if he uses it simultaneously when fighting him. The freeze breath is a factor too. It could be used to slow down CM a touch in order to get more hits on him and to lower his attack speed in order for Superman to defend easier. Then Superman has the vibrating through attacks thing and fighting at tremendous battle speeds (not travel speed).

H1a8 you're wrong like usual