Jews or Christians - Who are Gods Chosen People?

So if Jews are God's people then everyone else is going to hell? And If Christians are God's chosen people then everyone else is also going to hell?

Thats a lot of people going to hell...

The "Chosen people" are the ones who would choose God. The ones who dont, well there is no mention that there is anything nice waiting for them. Oh, quite the contrary. Now you might not feel that is nice but it is just.

If god created everyone on this earth then everyone is his chosen people - he is after all the definer - he created all, so he's responsible for all actions by anyone.

That would only hold true if he was controlling them, which he most certainly does not. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

NO. We are controled by GOD in every sense of the word - think about it - God's will permeates everything - HE IS everything - we are part of his being - we live in and as him - so HE controls absolutely everything - God is greatness and infinity itself and would never let anything to the free will or choice of his creatures.

Also, God is not good or bad in the effects of his controling nature, but he is only great - he both gives and takes life, where in the case of taking life he utilises natural causes and killers or murderers.

NO. We are controled by GOD in every sense of the word - think about it - God's will permeates everything - HE IS everything - we are part of his being - we live in and as him - so HE controls absolutely everything - God is greatness and infinity itself and would never let anything to the free will or choice of his creatures.

Incorrect. We are not controlled by God, if we were then nothing bad would ever have happend. God would never make people do wrong, thats a huge contradiction. It is the opposite of God's nature that is bad and evil. To do something not in accordance with his will, is a personal choice. God hates sin, never created, nor condoned and most certainly didnt force it.

Also, God is not good or bad in the effects of his controling nature, but he is only great - he both gives and takes life, where in the case of taking life he utilises natural causes and killers or murderers.

God did punish man with death in the body.

God hates sin, never created, nor condoned and most certainly didnt force it.

Originally posted by finti
if you believe god created everything sin has to be one of gods creation, unless you believe someone else had its finger in the creation process

You consider sin a creation? If it was, it was created by disobedience not by God. The capacity was there to choose but it just isnt in God's nature to make sin or evil.

according to the belief god created everything.
and disobedience came from where?

Originally posted by finti
according to the belief god created everything.
and disobedience came from where?

I dont know that its the christian belief that God created sin. Disobedience is said to have originated with Lucifer who wanted equality with God and deceived a third of the hosts of Angels to turn with him.

God would never even tempt somebody to do wrong. It doesnt even make sense, thats entirely against his will. It is though, that he will allow it. Does allowing the possibility mean creating it? I wouldnt say so, its just not stopping it when it commenced.

who created the angles?

God, but he not only didnt force them to but most certainly didnt even tempt them to disobey.

if god created them and they were diobedient then god aint the perfect being after all.

Originally posted by finti
if god created them and they were diobedient then god aint the perfect being after all.

Well, I dont believe thats accurate. God created everything good and untainted. So when those angels disobeyed, it wasnt because they werent created "good". They were created good but God did not control their decisions. The ones who choose disobedience, therefore brought evil into existence. It didnt exist prior before because so long as God's will is obeyed, there is no such thing.

I will say though, God was obviously aware of the concept. His awareness though does not make that thing a reality. It was the actions of others that brought it into existence.

that means your good aint a perfect being, god couldnt controll its own creation

God is neither godd or bad clickclick, but he merely is! Only the Bible tells the crap about God being good. God is Nature - he is everything and causes everything, period.

Originally posted by finti
that means your good aint a perfect being, god couldnt controll its own creation

Couldnt? Technically that is not correct. Choose not to is more like it.

Player im not going to agree with you so...........

Okay......