which mutants are omega level??

what about alpha the ultimate mutant?

the one who reverted magneto to an infant? he came a long time before the omega classification was ever brought up. or if you're referring to the 'mutant alpha' concept from the anniversary series of the AoA, then (since jean apparently wields those powers, and is a known omega) that would make sense. except that that whole concept was crap and destroyed what little interest the previous five issues of that series had built.

Originally posted by life is cruell
Ok I know this thread has been done and the confirmed omegas are
Jean Grey
Bobby Drake
Quentin Quire
Elixer

but what about franklin richards? He is described to be unlike anyother mutant before him. Surely he is an omega if he can create pocket universes and such none of the other omegas have that sort of power but jean.

Rachel is an omega as well

would Gambit be in there? controlling kinetic energy seems to be omega-y to me

Originally posted by Phoenix_Avatar9
would Gambit be in there? controlling kinetic energy seems to be omega-y to me

Gambit proberly close to Omega

when did rachel get the omega classification? [for curiosity's sake, not to spark argument]

hmm 🤨 , im not sure if it was officially stated but as jeans child and the expression of phoenix potential probably makes her an omega i guess since her raw ability to control matter in that way at her level sparks thoughts of how she'll be at full potential

i doubt gambit is an omega, though scarlet witch, storm, dazzler are suspected omegas.

Originally posted by stormfront13
storm, dazzler are suspected omegas.

nobody even knows what "omega mutant" means yet, so how can we speculate on potential members?

Omaga sounds like a condom size.

Prof. X and Magneto once told Storm she's an Omega. And that's why Magnus wants her on his team because she is very powerful.

Also remember when Storm went ballistic during the episodes in the old X-Men cartoon series? Prof. X did admit he was unable to stop her.

But maybe she's only an Alpha...since we don't know the true definition of being an Omega...but I'm pretty sure Iceman and Elixir are Omegas while Jean Grey is an Omega telekinetic and telepathic, without the Phoenix Force.🙂

Well there is a speculation about the term originating from the "omega point" theory.

And thanks to Mojo we do know that the Marvel universe will end with a crunch.

But not THAT omega point theory. . . The one that talks about evolution and evolving to . . blah blah blah. . anyway . . .

There are no explicitly stated parameters for omega level, but there are good hints and suggestions given through the confirmed Omegas and by some authors.

1) Omega is the POTENTIAL (not the actually shown power) for so called ultimate mutation.

2) It was stated, that Phoenix is the expression of Jeans ultimate mutation, so one COULD imagine that it has something to do with the ability to tap into the force of creation.
Quentin, ascending and reaching his ultimate potential as an omega while dying and then being in the White Hot Room as a Phoenix, supports this theory.
Since Rachel is linked to that force as well as her mother, she is MOST LIKELY an omega.

3) Since Franklin is described in a similar way as Jean, being some some sort of an unparalleled mutant and loking at the power he expressed so far, he is PROBABLY an omega too.

4) Looking at Phoenix, Quentin and Iceman, the omega level seems to include the ability to transcend beyond the need for a human body at one point; it can then be a useful instrument but nothing more. Also the powers of omegas seem to manipulate matter, energy, time and/or mind.

5) Gambit and Storm do manipulate energy and matter. As New Sun, Gambit showed enormous potential and in AoA it was shown, that Storm will someday be able to transcend her human body and become a being pure elemental energy, similar to Iceman...so these two MIGHT be omegas as well.

basically, as wannabe said, the only "known" characteristics of an omega are that they have no upper limit to their potential within their particular fields, and that their powers are predicted to evolve them to forms higher than that of the human body. everything else as to the definition of omegas is just speculation.

Someone else that might be an Omega could be Jubilee. Since its stated that she has the potential to detonate matter at an atomic level.

that doesn't really fit the qualifications. if she develops the powers to like, detonate matter (on an atomic level) by thinking about it, or restructuring matter through atomic manipulation, to an unchecked degree, maybe she'll be an omega. but highly intensive energy balls don't really count as 'omega' material.

chamber, who can only detonate molecularly, has much more potential for being an omega level mutant. he's partially abandoned his human form, its been said numerous times what potential he has that he's not using, yadda yadda.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Someone else that might be an Omega could be Jubilee. Since its stated that she has the potential to detonate matter at an atomic level.

Originally posted by wannabe
I'm not certain about that, since her powers are solely destructive and the powers of all confirmed omegas also include a strong creative aspect!!!
I know i spoke for Gambit as New Sun, but then i have to admit that all i know about him is from this forum and i'm not sure if New Sun is in any way creative or only destructive.

Originally posted by Disappear
that doesn't really fit the qualifications. if she develops the powers to like, detonate matter (on an atomic level) by thinking about it, or restructuring matter through atomic manipulation, to an unchecked degree, maybe she'll be an omega. but highly intensive energy balls don't really count as 'omega' material.

chamber, who can only detonate molecularly, has much more potential for being an omega level mutant. he's partially abandoned his human form, its been said numerous times what potential he has that he's not using, yadda yadda.

Appearently you two know more about the requirments for being an omega than you are letting on. Well I'm going to repost from another thread about this in a second.

Thought I'd bring this over here, see what you guys thought of it:

Originally posted by jubileefan19
I believe Jubilee was stated to have the ability to detonate matter at an atomic level. This was featured more prominently in the Age of Apocolypse. In Gambit and The X-Ternals, Jubilee is running through underground tunnels and the caption states something along the lines that she, "Is not a firecracker...she is an atom bomb. She has the ability to blow up these tunnels and take down the entire city above her... but that won't mend her broken heart." That is what I remember the caption saying... it's not word for word, but you get the idea.
I also believe in some of her early 90's appearances it was stated that she could possibly have great power potential.
In Generation X, Emma Frost stated that Jubilee basically can detonate matter at an atomic level, but she doesn't feel the desire to.

Jubes has blown up the Mandarin's mansion, Proudstar Hall in Gen X, and Hunter Brawn's warehouse... all by becoming enraged. Not to mention desintegrating clothing and armor to knock enemies unconscious, shattering steel, defeating Sauron and Emplate single-handedly among others, and blowing up solid objects ever so easily.

I feel this would probably classify her as an omega mutant(but I'm not sure on how that class is determined.)

Isn't it funny how I as a fan can know and recall this information in the vague sense that I stated it, but many writers seem to either ignore, forget, or just plain not care about Jubilee's true ability?

Originally posted by The Wolf
In New Mutants Vol.2 #12, according to Beast, Josh is an Omega level mutant because he is able to manipulate a persons body at a genetic level in order to heal them. Beast does not say he's omega because he can potentially destroy stars (which is ridiculous given his current powers) communicate over galaxies or create universes etc etc which is what has been offered so far as Omega class characteristics.

Josh is Omega now because he can manipulate genes - nothing has been said that he is omega because with training he may be able to create universes or something. Those sorts of powers therefore, are not prerequisites.

Perhaps it may be argued that because Jubilee can only destroy as opposed to create at an atomic level she is not omega - i don't know.

Originally posted by The Wolf
does jubes have this limitations? you know, making things explode from a distance, like how far? how much detonating powers does she have? could she probably destroy heavenly bodies with the said powers?

Well, if you take that arguement then Josh cannot be Omega either. His power is limited by having to touch the other person before he can heal them. What we get from Josh's classification then is that having limitations doesn't disqualify the power from being Omega level.

My 2 cents is that Omega level means the ability to manipulate genes or smaller matter (eg. Iceman and water molocules; Jean and all that stuff she talked about manipulating atoms while trapped with Logan in NXM 150 (maybe mentioned earlier - have been absent for a while) ) That's like the common thread.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
wow- this is a pretty good discussion-

I've never seen Jubilee's powers wear out from usage- and she can control them mentally to travel through groups of people or to move through hallways and turn corners before having them explode on command. If she doesn't want them to explode, then they dissipate into thin air. She said it herself in her solo series that she can, "Combust molecules and make them explode..."
but if that doesn't classify her as Omega, she has definately got to be Alpha level.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
ok i found what i was looking for if this helps to be able to determine if jubilee is close to being at least omega or possible alpha levels.

X-men Vol. 1 #36 pg. 23

Emma Frost to Everett Thomas aka Synch..RIP "...You must see Jubilee through my eyes to access her pyrokinetic abilities with your own powers---and use HER mutant gift in ways that SHE has been AFRAID to! In short by DETONATING the very MATTER with which these techno-organic beings are composed of on a SUB-ATOMIC LEVEL!!"

Good old Fabian Nicieza, too bad nobody is using her like this anymore, its all been boiled down to i have "light" powers with which to bling people.

Sorry, getting off topic, so does that help any being able to identify her level anymore?

well even though I didn't know Jubilee's power was that of being able to 'BLING' people, since she's not a rapper... I am happy to finally read exactly what Emma said about Jubilee as we stated earlier, Jubilee is probably a level down from Omega- I think it was alpha.

Originally posted by jubileefan19
because she got afraid of when she used them to her fullest in the past... she blew up the Mandarin's mansion, saved Wolverine and Psylocke, and took out all of the bad guys in the area. She just doesn't want to hurt anyone she cares about.
In the Gen X issue titled, "the power, the fury, Jubilee unleashed!!!"- Jubilee literally unleashes a devastating volley of plasmoids while trying to escape from the Hulkbuster Base during OZT. Dozens of fireworks literally bounced off of objects and hurled themselves at armed gaurds with heavy body armor... knocking them out and sending them for a ride. Jubes could have escaped but realized those men would die unless she helped them. So instead of escaping, she risked her life to give cpr to the gaurds she nearly killed.
I feel that shows Jubilee's true character- and is one of the reasons why she is my favorite superhero.
kevin