which mutants are omega level??

to say that all omegas are believed to transcend past the human form is not the same as saying all those transcend are omegas. the shadow king, for example, is not a confirmed omega, though he exists solely as an astral body. jeffrey garrett of the new x-men: academy x series exists as some variety of living ghost, though he's not a confirmed omega. king bedlam once said about paradigm, a techokinetic mutant whose body has become irrevocably fused with phalanx matter, "i imagine one day he'll no longer need to maintain a human shape." thunderbird III becomes living solar plasma. saying transcendence is a trait of omegas is not false if there are non-omegas who also transcend.

it's a common trait of omegas to evolve past the human form as they ascend toward their full potential.

it's a common trait of omegas to be caucasian.

Because something is common doesn't necessarily mean that it's related.

rachel being an omega's also generally speculation at this point, though is likely the direction marvel will go with her. her powers were jean's and then some during her early days, but this was before the omega concept was brought to the surface, and long before the recent changes to the phoenix status quo. rachel comes off as a bumbling novice these days, despite having been extraordinarily powerful during excalibur, and despite the now-erased askani timeline. where they go with her is up to the writers, though it would seem to make sense to have her be yet another confirmed omega. whether cable or x-man would fit those classifications (though likely) isn't proven. legion was a walking god on the face of the earth, but that doesn't necessarily classify him as an omega.

franklin, eh, what's the point in speculating? he is a mutant, he's one of the strongest expressions of the mutant gene out there, and his hypothetical future kid was ten times his superior. though noone's out and out said "franklin's an omega," every other possible terminology to infer such has been used.

transcending past the bonds and limitations of the human form is XAVIER'S definition of "omega potential." it's not a "well, it could be like this" theory. it's how xavier, the man who coined the term "omega," defines omega level mutants. i dont know if that was made clear, but it's the only truly accepted aspect of an omega level mutant.

and i myself said that elixir's powers may make transcending past a human form somewhat obsolete, considering his powers are bound inexorably to genetics, the physical blueprints of the body. i need not read x's post to understand a point i myself made.

as for rachel, has she assumed the powers of the phoenix since its 'reinvention'? her powers have always been described as telepathy and telekinesis, with her time-shifting thrown in, and she only assumed the mantle of the phoenix (and the phoenix force) after it originally left jean and traveled through time. she was at an obtuse ol' age when that happened, and despite her eyepatch and energy signature, i've seen no evidence tying rachel to the latest interpretation of the phoenix. she has yet to be defined as either alpha, beta or omega, and her powers haven't been as overtly retconned as a natural ability to tap the phoenix force. most psis draw their power from the astral plane, and the concept that jean performs the same feats while tapping instead the phoenix force has only recently been presented. AND, there's evidence that says her children don't access their powers the same way, considering nate grey's manipulating of pure astral energy. so to automatically say rachel has the same powers as her mother is unproven, and with examples against the 'same genetics, same powers' theory, there's little ground to it. [also, considering endsong is part of the new interpretation of the phoenix, and rachel's encounters with the phoenix occured prior to the adoption of that interpretation, it's really not a textual example proving anything. rachel's correspondence with the phoenix force could just as easily be washed away as was the idea that feron gave "birth" the the phoenix we know.]

and x-man's powers were defined as "nothing short of unlimited," yes. be that hyperbole or an omega indictation is unknown, but that fact that they would've killed him by the time he was twenty-one is established. what would've happened when he was killed, if he would've just died or 'transcended,' is unknown, considering he commited beneficial suicide before he hit his deadline. so, while being complete immaterial to the omega argument, he's virtually immaterial to the marvel universe or our understanding thereof at this point.

cable recently had his powers raised to godly levels thanks to a very awkward merging and separating with deadpool, and he still showed no signs of transcendence. he very well may be an omega, though it hasn't been shown to any length, and i believe apocalypse designated him an alpha. and, while omega is on a completely different plane of classification than alpha and beta, all other known alphas are known non-omegas. so i'd say it's safe to assume.

franklin, at a very young age, was able to create his own universe. that's enormous power. he even created a galactus, a feat now accredited (in part) to the phoenix itself. so, while technically he's not labeled an omega, i'd say there's much more substantial backing to the claims that he may be as compared to speculation around other high-powered mutants. but, until we get an official "franklin's an omega" statement, or he metaphysically merges himself into a component of the universe, we can't know for sure. it's just about 98% likely.

i'm not sure what exactly the whole omega classification is about, but when it comes to a list of the most powerful mutants, i would definitely include Threnody, X-Man, Gamesmaster, Sienna Blaze, Chronomancer, Typhoid, Havok, and Chamber in there.

the generally accepted heirarchy is that alphas are stronger than betas, and that omegas are on a different scale entirely. in apocalypse's terms, alphas are the mutants fit to survive in the hellish "utopia" he hopes to create. he does not typically include personal opinion into designating them one or the other, as many of his strongest enemies have been labeled alphas. in the AoA, he'd labeled the Madri as "Chosen," which was his term for 'fit to thrive in a mutant-dominated society,' but later changed it to "Forgotten" when one Madri priest went behind his back and searched Apoc's records [to see if they were chosen or forgotten.] it's unknown if our Apocalypse would be so fickle.

from what we've seen, it's the assumption that all the mutants you listed are alphas, though x-man MAY have had omega potential, and chamber MAY be an unrevealed omega. it's possible that threnody and sienna blaze could be omegas as well, though it's unlikely we'll ever know, since they're disappeared and dead, respectively. chronomancer attempted to artificially merge himself with time, which seems to imply that he isn't an omega. but since he's dead too, we'll probably never know.

Well we know 4 official omegas, but there has to be more. I think these are most probably omegas:

Scarlet Witch- she can warp reality on an omniversal scale!!

Franklin Richards- said to be on a celestial level, and is still a kid

Magneto- Weilds one of the most powerful forces of the universe, a well of untapped potential

Storm- i'm not sure, but in one of the ages of apocalypse realities, didnt storm evolve into a pure ellental state?

X- man, cable and rachel, basically have the same kind of power. i'm guuessing that they are also possible omega's, especially rachel.

wanda would need to evolve into some sort of cosmic embodiment in order to be considered an omega. she's got a lot of power, i'll give you that, but so did "mad jim" jaspers. of course, as he came long before the omega classification, there's no telling. it's not really safe to say either way, considering power does not equal omega.

franklin richards, perhaps the most speculated at being an omega, is in the same boat as wanda.

magneto's power has shorted out on him too many times to really be contending at this point, unless you go specifically off what happened in claremont's recent excalibur series.

it's never been truly clear whether apocalypse based that "alternate future" off of what he knew to be true, or if it was purely illusion. storm's powerful, but she's shown no signs of being an omega in our universe.

and it's not safe to assume that any of jean's children are omegas simply because she is. they're all incredibly powerful, and surely alphas, but their power stems from the astral plane. without a direct retcon to make rachel's mutation a 'natural ability to tap the phoenix force,' there's nothing to say she's any more of an omega than any other telepath. x-man is the closest in speculation, given his "unlimited potential," the various non-psi feats he achieved, and the fact that his sacrifice completely obscures whether he would've "ascended" or not.

does ahyone think any of the new mutans or hellions are unrevealed omegas? i think that the stepford cuckos are actually.

the stepford cuckoos' origins are still very much masked in secrecy, and considering they were around while both elixir and quentin quire were labeled omegas, wouldn't it make sense for them to have already been labeled such by now?

i really think speculation around "who is omega?" is getting out of hand these days. it's not like the topic is one that comes up very often in the comics, and i don't think they're gonna start saying "such and such is an omega now" after the character's been around for years and years. consider that half of the known omegas were introduced after x-men: forever, and they were almost immediately labeled "omega," while the other half were members of the original x-men, and only got mention of it IN x-men: forever. it's an "elite" classification of genetics, and it's highly unlikely that any noticeable number of omegas are gonna just pop up, or any old characters will be labeled omegas this far after the fact...

IT's going to be hard to say which mutants are omega after the post house of M thing hits. . .

Cause there sure won't be alot of them. . .Jubilee and Chamber are removed from canidacy in Generation M. . . Don't know what happens to Iceman either. . .

well, if it's a cosmic thing then typhoid fits. in case you haven't heard of her (her being more a daredevil villain and an occasional pain in the ass), her mutant powers are rather weakened by her multiple personality disorder but at full strength she would have heightened strength and agility, minor telepathy, major telekenesis, pyrotechnic powers, and massive pyrokenesis (she can make everthing ignite, basically), she can also secret pheremones and make people fall in love with her. During inferno, she also demonstrated an ability to channel demons and would probably have become the next goblin queen if Nastirh hadn't been destroyed. the only thing that's stopping her from being a global threat is that her mental disorder prevents her from having full access to her powers.

i know entirely too well who typhoid mary is, and let me tell you, she's not the next legion. her powers are hardly hindered by her MPD, it's just that each of her three/four personalities has a different grasp on her different powers. her powers dont operate at lower levels due to her MPD, and she surely isn't holding back in her man-hating rampages. also, the whole 'pheromones' thing, as far as i know, is unconfirmed, and attracting men might just be a "skill" of one of the maries.

she's not nearly at a cosmic power level, and she won't be getting there anytime soon, considering she's been downgraded to a deadpool villainess in recent years. i've never even seen proof that she's a mutant...

she's a confirmed mutant in her marvel comics presents appearances with wolverine and a confirmed demonic force according to her adventures with ghost rider and during inferno.

Originally posted by Disappear
the stepford cuckoos' origins are still very much masked in secrecy, and considering they were around while both elixir and quentin quire were labeled omegas, wouldn't it make sense for them to have already been labeled such by now?

i really think speculation around "who is omega?" is getting out of hand these days. it's not like the topic is one that comes up very often in the comics, and i don't think they're gonna start saying "such and such is an omega now" after the character's been around for years and years. consider that half of the known omegas were introduced after x-men: forever, and they were almost immediately labeled "omega," while the other half were members of the original x-men, and only got mention of it IN x-men: forever. it's an "elite" classification of genetics, and it's highly unlikely that any noticeable number of omegas are gonna just pop up, or any old characters will be labeled omegas this far after the fact...

well omega tp's are supposed to be able to channel the pf or something like that. at the end of endsong, the pf came to one of the cuckoos, and the girl responded something similar to

"I've been waiting for you"

so technically, shouldn't they be omega?

considering how many telepaths and even non-telepaths have harnessed the power of the phoenix (metaphorically) at one point, and the shi'ar didn't say ONLY omega telepaths can commune with the phoenix, it's not very conclusive. and the glow in the cuckoo's eye may very well have been another "piece" of jean, and not the embodiment of the PF itself. until it's cleared up, there's really no saying either way.

Scarlet Witch makes it onto the Omega list with ease.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Scarlet Witch makes it onto the Omega list with ease.

And onslaught?

Don't get testy cos no one wants to put Jubes on the list. Wanda fulfills all the requirements that the others have displayed.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Don't get testy cos no one wants to put Jubes on the list. Wanda fulfills all the requirements that the others have displayed.

Proteus did that, as did Onslaught.

Her forte is reality. She's a consciousness inhabiting reality. She gets shot in the spine by Hawkeye and she just unmakes the arrow and remakes herself.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Her forte is reality. She's a consciousness inhabiting reality. She gets shot in the spine by Hawkeye and she just unmakes the arrow and remakes herself.