i would say that wanda is omega. though it isn't certain because her powers are still unclear. yes, it is a form of reality warping, but in wizard magazine, one of the writers said something like her prime power isn't to manipulater reality, it's just a side affect of what she can do. i didn't get it, but hey, it's comics. and transendence isn't a requirement, at least i am almost positive it isn't. in extreme x-men, storm said something like this
"all mutants have the capability to transcend beyond their pshyical beings. only few have expierenced this, including myself."
so if she is talking about how, all mutants COULD transcend, but only omegas HAVE THE POWER TO, then wouldn't storm be omega? if she is saying that all mutants can transcned, then it isn't a requirement. that isn't specifically what she said, but it's pretty close. she did say that all mutants can transcend, and that she has transcended, just maybe she didn't say it like that. you can find it in the x-treme x-men tpb called destiny(i think)
pretty sure she said all humans, and her "transcendence" was referring to mutants in general. for having just been asked if she was a goddess, she sure spewed out a half-assed faux-metaphysical answer.
proteus has an energy form, doesn't mean he transcended. would malice have transcended just because she's bodiless? they don't mean the same thing.
and onslaught wasn't a mutant... he was just conscious astral energy derived from the mental templates of xavier and magneto...
wanda is in the "who knows" boat right now. reality-warping doesn't make you an omega, just ask proteus. ask mikhail rasputin. having a high power level and pissing people off in otherworld doesn't make you an omega. ask "mad jim." her powers affect causality, aka cause and effect, and until she's either out and out labeled an omega, or she transcends into some cosmic form embodying cause and/or affect, there's no saying. at best, it's a schroedinger's cat scenario...
Originally posted by Disappear
pretty sure she said all humans, and her "transcendence" was referring to mutants in general. for having just been asked if she was a goddess, she sure spewed out a half-assed faux-metaphysical answer.
what do you mean by all humans? she had said that the difference between humans and mutants was that mutants had the ability to control time and space. then she went on to explain that all mutants could potentially transcend beyond their pshyical being, but only few have the power to. considering the fact that it's been an on-going issue if you had to transcned to be an omega, then it's a pretty good inference that she is talking about omega mutants, in which she says that few has transcended, including herself. this is by no means proof that transcendence is a requirement, but it seems like all omega mutants can transcend.
i must be remembering the issue incorrectly.
to take storm's words as a true testament to what an omega mutant may be is absurd in itself, given her complete lack of knowledge as a geneticist. to assume she knows better than professor x or the beast what an omega mutant is? completely unfounded. couple that with the fact that she's making things up on the spot, such as "mutants have the ability to control time and space." when was the last time wolverine did that? what about beast? when did storm control time? mutants without specific abilities related to time or space (aka the vast majority) have no greater ability to "control time and space" than a human. the whole statement discredits itself, particularly due to who the speaker is.
and the argument has never been "you have to transcend to be an omega." that makes it seem as if you're somehow not an omega until AFTER you transcend. the argument is that mutants with omega potential WILL transcend the boundaries of the human form, as it's part of their natural evolution.
Yes, Wanda will be a "Who knows?" until HoM finishes. But as of now explain to me how she hasn't exhibited both the type of power and the level of power to be considered Omega. She's altered the fundamental reality of, at the very least, an entire universe. She's displayed a power level beyond that of Quentin Quire, Iceman, and Elixir. Some could even say Jean Grey but we won't go into that here. She affected them all. She's displayed versatility in her powers, and shown it has destructive and constructive ability. Her power is the type of power that fits in with the Omega mold, in that she can manipulate Marvel reality. She may have "transcended" in that she can reanimate her body and other people as easily as Quentin Quire or Iceman. Her power is over reality so how can one tell?
Being able to alter reality doesn't make you an Omega. But the Scarlet Witch is to Mikhail Rasputin as Jean Grey is to Tag.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBecause they don't embody one of the abstracts realms of being.
Why don't Iceman, Elixir and Quentin Quire look like abstracts. Why doesn't Jean Grey for that matter?
Eternity is the 616 reailty. So if Wanda embodies reality, shouldn't she look like Eternity (the emobdiment of the 616 reality)?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotPssh, if her powers are reality based, and when they trancend they look like that hich they embody, and Eternity is the 616-reality. Then Shouldn't Wanda look like that which she embodies, reality, of which eternity is one?
What does Phoenix embody? Should she grow another two faces? You're making a requirement when there isn't one.
Iceman is Ice for example. Phoenix is a phoenix.
Originally posted by Disappear
to take storm's words as a true testament to what an omega mutant may be is absurd in itself, given her complete lack of knowledge as a geneticist. to assume she knows better than professor x or the beast what an omega mutant is? completely unfounded. couple that with the fact that she's making things up on the spot, such as "mutants have the ability to control time and space." when was the last time wolverine did that? what about beast? when did storm control time? mutants without specific abilities related to time or space (aka the vast majority) have no greater ability to "control time and space" than a human. the whole statement discredits itself, particularly due to who the speaker is.and the argument has never been "you have to transcend to be an omega." that makes it seem as if you're somehow not an omega until AFTER you transcend. the argument is that mutants with omega potential WILL transcend the boundaries of the human form, as it's part of their natural evolution.
you must be remembering the issue incorrectly because storm isn't defining the term omega. she didn't even say the word omega in her little speech, she is talking about mutants in general. yes, mutants control time and space. it's kinda hard to explain, but your taking it too literall. and actually, one of the arguments out there is that you have to transcend to be classified as omega. there is also the arguement that omegas will transcend. there's more than one arguement due to the fact that there isn't a set definition on what an omega is
Originally posted by CreshoskPhoenix is made out of "phoenix"...? 😬
Pssh, if her powers are reality based, and when they trancend they look like that hich they embody, and Eternity is the 616-reality. Then Shouldn't Wanda look like that which she embodies, reality, of which eternity is one?Iceman is Ice for example. Phoenix is a phoenix.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNo, she is A phoenix, their appearence has already been shown in her transcended form.
Phoenix is made out of "phoenix"...? 😬
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNo, Eternity is.
Wanda is composed of reality.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd doesn't look 100% human does he?
They don't have to look like anything. Bobby Drake still assumes his form.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotBut they still looki like phoenixes, particularly when using their power.
Jean Grey still assumes her form. Quentin Quire still assumes his form.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotOh, I'm sorry, going back against a previous post because now it's working against you?
Josh Foley hasn't even shown any real transcendence yet.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotThat's not showing that SHE has transended her coporeal form.
Wanda may or may not have transcended corporeal form. I would say she pretty much has, seeing as she can make new bodies like toys,
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNot showing transendence.
rejuvenate herself and bring the dead back to life,
Originally posted by xmarksthespotAnd so have other mutants that have never been declared Omega.
but even if she hasn't her power is clearly Omega level./[quote] Oh I'm sorry I thought that power level wasn't exactly tied directly to being an omega.[QUOTE=5205886]Originally posted by xmarksthespot
She's done more than Iceman, Quentin Quire and Elixir have ever done combined.
Face it now you're just trying to pad to suit this character.
She hasn't shown trancendence.
ETERNITY is a reality.
Transendence puts one into the form of what their power is.
Wanda's power is reality.
So shouldn't Wanda look like Eternity?
Since eternity=reality=wanda?
How am I going back against a previous post. I only speculated that Josh Foley could be said to have transcended considering he manipulates organic matter and inhabits organic matter. But I've always maintained that transcendence beyond corporeal form may or may not be a requirement.
Jean Grey and Quentin Quire can and do look 100% human. Josh Foley looks as human as most mutants.
Wanda and everything else are composed of reality. If one takes that Josh Foley has transcended then one can also extrapolate to say Wanda has. If one does not take that Josh Foley has transcended than neither has Wanda. Regardless of transcendence Josh Foley is an Omega. Yet the same does not apply for Wanda according to you?
Your Wanda must look like Eternity thing isn't even an argument. Show me where exactly you derive that Omega's must assume Abstract form?
Are you still mad that pafs don't cut it?
Originally posted by xmarksthespotHa! that's great you're still trying to bend the rules for your new fascination. 😄
How am I going back against a previous post. I only speculated that Josh Foley could be said to have transcended considering he manipulates organic matter and inhabits organic matter. But I've always maintained that transcendence beyond corporeal form may or may not be a requirement.Jean Grey and Quentin Quire can and do look 100% human. Josh Foley looks as human as most mutants.
Wanda and everything else are composed of reality. If one takes that Josh Foley has transcended then one can also extrapolate to say Wanda has. If one does not take that Josh Foley has transcended than neither has Wanda. Regardless of transcendence Josh Foley is an Omega. Yet the same does not apply for Wanda according to you?
Your Wanda must look like Eternity thing isn't even an argument. Show me where exactly you derive that Omega's must assume Abstract form?
It has nothing to do with Eternity being an abstract, as the different abstracts look different from one another.
Now follow with me, I know that it's hard for you being blinded by you're new found obsession and all, but its really not that hard a concept.
Eternity is the embodiment of a reality. So embodiments of reality look like Eternity.
ALL the other omegas that have transcended look like the embodiment of their power. Phoenix and Quentin are both Phoenixes, and as such they look like a phoenix, they look like all the other phoenixes. Iceman is Ice in the shape of a human being Despite having a human shape he is still missing the other arts to make him look 100% human. Elixer's power is organic material, so even transcended d he'd probably still be in organic material. Wanda's power is reality, so if she were to transcend she'd look like the embodiment of reality as well. And what does an embodiment of a reality look like?
Just like eternity who is an embodiment of a reality.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotI'm actually glad that she's not going to, because the whole transcending thing would mean abandoning her body And I have not seen a single potential design that was suitable. So yeah if it means abandoning her body and not becoming an Asian babe. . yeah I'm all for her being ANYTHING less than omega. . . Even a depowered human. 🙁 them getting rid of her is what sucks. . .
Are you still mad that pafs don't cut it?
Seriously compare a potential form to a well known asian babe:
http://psylocke.club.fr/news/pic/game.jpg
Hey I'm liking the Witch right now... that's my prerogative. 😄 But it really is a non-requirement that she look like Eternity. I'm just giving her props where props are due. Besides I like the whole crazy wafty lady look she has in #07.
As for wanting characters I like to be Omega. Nah. I prefer characters like Kitty and Clarice as is. Blink's safe from the cull 😄. Bendis better leave Kitty the hell alone...! 😠
Originally posted by xmarksthespotNo doubt, any action that has that big of an effect definitely deserves credit where its due. I'm just saying it doesn't appear that she HAS transcended. Awesome power is one thing but doesn't seem to be the sole defining aspect of being an Omega.
Hey I'm liking the Witch right now... that's my prerogative. 😄 But it really is a non-requirement that she look like Eternity. I'm just giving her props where props are due. Besides I like the whole crazy wafty lady look she has in #07.As for wanting characters I like to be Omega. Nah. I prefer characters like Kitty and Clarice as is. Blink's safe from the cull 😄. Bendis better leave Kitty the hell alone...! 😠
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