The Official: "Jedi's get whats coming to them" Thread

Personally I believe that the Jedi get what’s coming to them, ESPECIALLY Mace. TPM showed that how arrogant they are, ESPECIALLY Mace, when they say to Qui Gon that “the boy will not be trained”. Why’d they do this? Because they say his future is “clouded”? No … I believe they didn’t want to train him because they FEARED him. What did Yoda say about fear again? Something about it leading to suffering?

AOTC shows that Obi Wan and Anakin are at odds, although they do seem close. As Padme says to calm Anikin, “mentors have ways of seeing faults that we’d rather not”. Anakin feels like he is being held back by the Jedi council, Mace and Obi Wan specifically. THAT despite saving his “Master’s” clumsy ass on several occasions.

Now in ROTS, the trailer shows that the Jedi ask Anakin to commit treasonous acts upon a man who has mentored him and who has treated him with the respect Anakin felt he deserved, especially after saving Obi Wan AGAIN at the hands of Dooko and GG. What thanks does he get? None from Mace, who does not grant Anakin the rank of master despite his obvious skills, and heroic deeds. Why? FEAR. They don’t trust him. Aren’t these same Jedi’s the one’s preaching that fear leads to hate, etc.? All the while, who keeps patting Anakin on the back, advising him and encouraging him? Palps.

Now when Mace and Palps are having their battle and Anakin arrives. Why the HELL would he take Mace’s side? To me taking Mace’s side would be like siding with a teacher you dislike instead of your own father. No contest. I personally can’t WAIT to see Anakin chop down Mace. He’s the main reason Anakin turned to the darkside in my opinion. Mace is the reason for the Jedi’s demise.

Any other opinions?

right on man! i feel the same way. can't wait to see anakin turn to vader and start chopping asses off.

Dude you see that anakin actually changed to the dark side just shows that he wasn't ready yet...he's of course very powerful and all but hes not a jedi thats why he doesn't deserve any higher rank. They shouldn't have trained anakin in the first place despite what Ben said in ANH Anakin never was a "good man" he always was a stupid brat, very powerful but not worth to be a jedi.

I disagree. I believe that if they gave Anakin the respect he deserved he would not have taken the path to the darkside.

possible- but i think there are other reasons besides mace

they say he wasn't ready, because he was so unpredictable, arrogant...but whose fault is that? The Jedi! Like some said, she should have given more respect...I don't think it his abilities that made him arrogant, it's how the Jedi and especially Obi-Wan treats him.

I wouldnt say they get whats coming to them per se, but this is just the way things have to be.

I agree with Bardock 42. Anakin is powerful, no doubt. But he lacks the discipline and wisdom that could help control that power and how to use it. More like a spoiled child who wants more, more, more now, without having to earn what he gets. His turning to the darkside is proof of this lack of discipline and control.

However, the Jedi should have understood that he was a special case. That he was going to need extra guidance. But their unwillingness to see that they can make mistakes, their arrogance, did lead to their downfall.

but you place blame on others for something he's responsible for...his actions

that's like saying he has no control of his own person and that everyone else knew what buttons to push in order for anakin to go over the dark side...

Luke understood...Luke saw that Darth Vader and Anakin were two different persons. The Dark Side can be a powerful thing! Luke forgave his father cause he knew he wasn't responsible. He was a slave!

What I don't understand is...they council knew he was somehow the chosen one. They knew of his birth. They should have known how powerfull he could have become. What can also be seen in the trailer is that Pals somehow gets Ani to be on the council...don't think the council liked that very much en so did not grant Ani the rank of Master which pissed him off no doubt. Just what Papls wanted. The council can however be blamed for being utterly blind to the fact that Palps was setting everyone against Ani...Palps manipulated Ani and the council was blind to that fact. By being his "friend" and and not lecturing him Palps become what Obi could not...his Father figure. This ofcourse can be blamed on Ani himself who thinks he always knows things better then anyone else.

that's again cause of lack of respect! The council wants him to do a messy job which they can't do for themselves...that is spying on palp. But they don't trust him....why did they let him do it than! No trust, no respect and they are suprised he turns?

Likely because he was already so close to Palps.

Originally posted by Supermann98
Personally I believe that the Jedi get what’s coming to them, ESPECIALLY Mace. TPM showed that how arrogant they are, ESPECIALLY Mace, when they say to Qui Gon that “the boy will not be trained”. Why’d they do this? Because they say his future is “clouded”? No … I believe they didn’t want to train him because they FEARED him. What did Yoda say about fear again? Something about it leading to suffering?

AOTC shows that Obi Wan and Anakin are at odds, although they do seem close. As Padme says to calm Anikin, “mentors have ways of seeing faults that we’d rather not”. Anakin feels like he is being held back by the Jedi council, Mace and Obi Wan specifically. THAT despite saving his “Master’s” clumsy ass on several occasions.

Now in ROTS, the trailer shows that the Jedi ask Anakin to commit treasonous acts upon a man who has mentored him and who has treated him with the respect Anakin felt he deserved, especially after saving Obi Wan AGAIN at the hands of Dooko and GG. What thanks does he get? None from Mace, who does not grant Anakin the rank of master despite his obvious skills, and heroic deeds. Why? FEAR. They don’t trust him. Aren’t these same Jedi’s the one’s preaching that fear leads to hate, etc.? All the while, who keeps patting Anakin on the back, advising him and encouraging him? Palps.

Now when Mace and Palps are having their battle and Anakin arrives. Why the HELL would he take Mace’s side? To me taking Mace’s side would be like siding with a teacher you dislike instead of your own father. No contest. I personally can’t WAIT to see Anakin chop down Mace. He’s the main reason Anakin turned to the darkside in my opinion. Mace is the reason for the Jedi’s demise.

Any other opinions?

Originally posted by Cascador
they say he wasn't ready, because he was so unpredictable, arrogant...but whose fault is that? The Jedi! Like some said, she should have given more respect...I don't think it his abilities that made him arrogant, it's how the Jedi and especially Obi-Wan treats him.

Originally posted by minijedi
I agree with Bardock 42. Anakin is powerful, no doubt. But he lacks the discipline and wisdom that could help control that power and how to use it. More like a spoiled child who wants more, more, more now, without having to earn what he gets. His turning to the darkside is proof of this lack of discipline and control.

However, the Jedi should have understood that he was a special case. That he was going to need extra guidance. But their unwillingness to see that they can make mistakes, their arrogance, did lead to their downfall.

i cant agree with any of you any more, there all 100% right

Originally posted by Cascador
they say he wasn't ready, because he was so unpredictable, arrogant...but whose fault is that? The Jedi! Like some said, she should have given more respect...I don't think it his abilities that made him arrogant, it's how the Jedi and especially Obi-Wan treats him.

Respect makes people that much more arrogant. Giving him more respect would have just made him worse. He might be the chosen one, but he was also a Padawan--I think if he got knocked down a few pegs he wouldn't feel like he deserved special treatment.

Originally posted by Cascador
Luke understood...Luke saw that Darth Vader and Anakin were two different persons. The Dark Side can be a powerful thing! Luke forgave his father cause he knew he wasn't responsible. He was a slave!

if he was a slave to anyone it was palpatine...luke knew his father was a pawn once palpatine tried to lure luke to take his place...and vader then knew how he was being treated the same was maul was and the same way dooku was..maul never figure it out..dooku did when palpatine told anakin to kill him in there duel in ROTS then dooku yells "I Was Promised AMNESTY!"..and vader found out but was too confused to do anything until the end of the duel...

and the council never full changed his attitude..im sure what they did wasnt welcomed by anakin but you can tell in episode 1 that the kid had an attitude..."whats that suppose to mean" when yoda gave him the fear leads to anger speech...so im sure he was already troubled at a young age...and if he was any kind of jedi he would have realized that in time the living force would bring him to become a Master of the jedi just like yoda says in episode 3 about luke.."when the time comes for him to be trained the living force will bring him to us"...

he was too old to be taught...he was too old to realize death and life..right and wrong..love and hate...and thats where his faults were..it wasnt HIS fault or the JEDI's..it was palpatines..he clouded there minds A.) probably one of the reasons they couldn't find him at a young age...B.) the reasons why they couldn't see into his future...C.)could not find out who the dark lord of the sith was D.) could not realize the sith have returned...

everything that happened in the 2 trilogy's was because of the emperor..and he played them all like an instrument...

Originally posted by minijedi
[B However, the Jedi should have understood that he was a special case. That he was going to need extra guidance. But their unwillingness to see that they can make mistakes, their arrogance, did lead to their downfall. [/B]

i agree...they tried to train him like they would any jedi..and were surprised in his responses/actions and they shouldn't have been..they should have prepared better which they didn't

Originally posted by §pearhead
Respect makes people that much more arrogant. Giving him more respect would have just made him worse. He might be the chosen one, but he was also a Padawan--I think if he got knocked down a few pegs he wouldn't feel like he deserved special treatment.

I disagree...Okay if you give people too much respect they deserve that would make him more arrogant, but he deserved some respect! The only moment when his master gives him a little respect is when Anakin commands the clone pilote to aim above the fule cells. A master to padawan...is a bond like father and son. But Obi-Wan didn't threated him well, cause he never accepted Anakin as a son/padawan cause he was force to take him as a padawan.

Originally posted by Supermann98
Personally I believe that the Jedi get what’s coming to them, ESPECIALLY Mace. TPM showed that how arrogant they are, ESPECIALLY Mace, when they say to Qui Gon that “the boy will not be trained”. Why’d they do this? Because they say his future is “clouded”? No … I believe they didn’t want to train him because they FEARED him. What did Yoda say about fear again? Something about it leading to suffering?

AOTC shows that Obi Wan and Anakin are at odds, although they do seem close. As Padme says to calm Anikin, “mentors have ways of seeing faults that we’d rather not”. Anakin feels like he is being held back by the Jedi council, Mace and Obi Wan specifically. THAT despite saving his “Master’s” clumsy ass on several occasions.

Now in ROTS, the trailer shows that the Jedi ask Anakin to commit treasonous acts upon a man who has mentored him and who has treated him with the respect Anakin felt he deserved, especially after saving Obi Wan AGAIN at the hands of Dooko and GG. What thanks does he get? None from Mace, who does not grant Anakin the rank of master despite his obvious skills, and heroic deeds. Why? FEAR. They don’t trust him. Aren’t these same Jedi’s the one’s preaching that fear leads to hate, etc.? All the while, who keeps patting Anakin on the back, advising him and encouraging him? Palps.

Now when Mace and Palps are having their battle and Anakin arrives. Why the HELL would he take Mace’s side? To me taking Mace’s side would be like siding with a teacher you dislike instead of your own father. No contest. I personally can’t WAIT to see Anakin chop down Mace. He’s the main reason Anakin turned to the darkside in my opinion. Mace is the reason for the Jedi’s demise.

Any other opinions?

I dont think it was purely Mace's fault and I dont think they deserved what was coming to them - they might have been deluded with their own power, but they didnt really deserve hat they got.

I dont think it was the fact that council feared the Anakin that they didnt give him the rank of master, but more of the fact that they saw Anakin was reckless, although possibly even fear what he would do with the power.

Why do you have it in so much for Mace Windu? 🤨

No, the Jedi don't deserve any of it, other than that the failed. Frankly I thought they acted with professional integirty with Anakin- he was just such a whiny malformed runt, his hige, swollen arrogant ego couldn't take it.

Palpatine just knew a weak spot when he saw one.