Thanos vs....YOU

Started by leonidas22 pages

<<Ha! Good plan leo.>>

praise from a mod! i - i . . . don't know what to say . . .

😄

heheh. thanks digi. with all your modding, i don't see you 'round too much anymore. cool to see you chiming in.

i like the idea of flash lending speed, it's just that if he can do that so . . . freely, why doesn't he ALWAYS do it? guess that harkens back to my unsolveable dilemma regarding the format of these matches - ie - any power shown once is viable.

doesn't negate your plan in any way. i just like to keep things . . . less complicated?

(sits back and waits for demi or scoob to try and poke holes in proposed plan . . .) 😗

Originally posted by leonidas
<<(Pre-Crisis appearance vs. Supes; Pre-C Supes was scared He-Man would kill him)>>

true, but in dc presents, pre-c left him laying after their fight . . . 🙂

hmm, since they can't really KILL thanos, you'd need something that could confine him.

i'm thinking something like

gl (hal)
strange
fate
flash
and . . .

WONDERWOMAN!

ww, gl, strange and fate work to keep thanos busy, and flash whips in and ties thanos in the lasso. the lasso has held and controlled beings at and above thanos's level (it's held at LEAST skyfather level) so i don't really see him breaking it (it's strong enough to drag the MOON!), OR being able to overcome its divine magic. once he's bound, fight over.

(unless you can make a VERY convincing case stating why you believe thanos could either break or resist the lasso . . .)

I won't be able to play this for long. But for now...

Thanos is a telepath powerful enough to pry into Galactus' mind and re-program the Beyonder. He can easily turn the lasso into an advantage by mentally controlling WW into tying up most of her own group in the lasso.

Additionally, Thanos has a forcefield that would prevent Flash from actually putting anything around him, and would even prove fatal to Flash when he ran into it, similar to Deathstroke doing Flash in with explosives and a sword.

Thanos' energy blasts are yellow, and while it's possible for a GL to overcome the yellow weakness now, a random yellow blast would have nothing to do with willpower and would still shatter the green forcefield. Once the forcefield is down, the entire group is vulnerable to psychic suggestion (except Strange) and he just commands the entire group to kill each other....or Strange.

Dr. Strange.
Mr. Fantastic.
Green Lantern. (Hal Jordan.)
Savage Dragon.
Vertigo's Death.

Dr. Strange because he's got t3h best magick.
Mr. Fantastic has a mind who could probably help thwart Thanos.
Green Latern cause he's badass.
Savage Dragon's got a strnegth like Hulk but a conciounce mind.
And Vertigo's Death is there just because she's Death and I'd like to play with Thanos head.. \m/ 😈 \m/

That team goes down helluva fast. GLs, now that they have their yellow weakness back, are a liability. Strange is something of a threat, but remember, your team doesn't have prep. *I* do. So no IG-level tricks from Strange. Savage Dragon and Death are just there to increase the body count, and Fantastic is only useful if your team has prep...which they don't.

Oh, the team with He-Man and Flash....no telepathic defense? Bye!

Actually..the telepathy won't work on WW now that she see's with a gods eyes and understands things through a god's wisdom. So that is out. WW #219 vs Max Lord and Supes.

How about this team.

Waverider
Cyborg Henshaw
Wonder Woman
Dr Strange
Dr Doom

I believe this is a well covered team. Instant prep from waverider who freezes time like hulk smashes. Henshaw who can control any tech and can upgrade himself. Doom who with time can steal any power, WW with her unbreakable lasso and apparent immunity to telepathy, and strange..who could pull anything needed with his magic.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Actually..the telepathy won't work on WW now that she see's with a gods eyes and understands things through a god's wisdom. So that is out. WW #219 vs Max Lord and Supes.

It doesn't mean she's immune to telepathy. It means she's immune to Max Lord. Remember, she may be able to see things with a god's eyes and understand things through a god's wisdom, but Galactic and Beyonder ARE gods. Didn't help them.


How about this team.

Waverider
Cyborg Henshaw
Wonder Woman
Dr Strange
Dr Doom

I believe this is a well covered team. Instant prep from waverider who freezes time like hulk smashes. Henshaw who can control any tech and can upgrade himself. Doom who with time can steal any power, WW with her unbreakable lasso and apparent immunity to telepathy, and strange..who could pull anything needed with his magic.

Thanos, while not a speedster, has extremely good reaction time, mainly because his thought processes are so much faster. Waverunner's power is useful, but Thanos, during his month of one-sided prep, will know to take Waverunner out first with an instant attack. That ruins the ability for everybody else to organize. A second telepathic attack takes down most of the others. And the rest are fairly easy to pick off.

Team Enigma!

I say counter the prep with characters whose powers are undefinable or unpredictable.

My team:

Adam Warlock - Obvious I know, but he's got the most experience at Thanos-foiling and he's even got the soul of a Thanos clone trapped in soulworld for reference. Also, his powers are extremely hard to predict and thus counter (e.g. avoiding Galcatus blasts, devolving enemies, being invisible to Nebula, coming back from the dead and turning him to stone). Finally, Thanos fears him. Thanos's whole involvement in the Magus vs. Warlock conflict was just to avoid a direct one on one confrontation with either of them. He knows the Soul Gem could own him is Adam plays hardball. Surprise move Thanos won't expect: Cramming Warrior-Thanos-Clone's soul into Thanos's body for an instant hellaciously debilitating power struggle.

Johnny Thunder (New Version) - A tough but creative child backing a 5th Dimensional Imp with the mind of a vintage superhero The imp is such a wildcard that there's only so much prep you can do, and its powers are beyond the reach of Thanos's mere 3+time dimensional technology to limit. Surprise move Thanos won't expect: "Give that @^%#*!$&%#$ an atomic wedgie"

The Phantom Stranger Thanos (thanks to my pick) will be gunning for him personally so the Stranger will be free to act directly. With his foresight, he'll be able to warn the other heroes that Thanos is prepping to destroy them, and can watch over them to stymie any pre-emptive assasinations from the Titan before the fated battle can be joined. The vague/versatile/quasi-religeous nature of his powers make him hard find, let alone prep against, and Thanos targeting him negates his weakness, that he often may not act directly. His special mission will be to protect young Johnny, the lone vulnerable human in the bunch. He pushes the Skyfather limit, but no moreso than Dr. Strange. Who knows, he might just redeem the Mad Titan's soul? Surprise move Thanos won't expect: Breaking the forth wall to play mindgames with Thanos as Thanos reads his comics.

Scarlet Witch - (Busiek Era) Why? Because she makes the improbable certain, and when Thanos is involved you need all the luck you can get. She might even shake off a mutant-nullifier attack if it didn't catch her flat-footed. Bonus points for conjuring/ressurrecting Wonder Man in Thanos' face (if that wouldn't put me over the team member count.) Surprise move Thanos won't expect: Making him overlook something crucial that bites him later in the fight, He'll be ready for direct attacks, but he's too arrogant to entertain this possability.

Gamora - His adopted daughter is just the emotional Gadfly to keep Thanos on edge in the heat of battle. Since her ressurrection she's no longer amped up by implants that Thanos could just shut down She's literally fought him to a standstill in single close-combat, art prevailing where bricks fail No real weaknesses to exploit, and if Warlock goes down, get ready for bloodlust. Surprise move Thanos won't expect: "You know 'Father,' when Adam recreated our forms, he removed the failsafes you placed within my dagger..." Did he or is she bluffing? I don't know and niether does Thanos.

None of my crew is easy prey for "Bat Shark-Repellant" type prep or have glaring Achilles's Heels, and the Stranger means Thanos won't have surprise or perhaps even the choice of battleground.

Characters under the powercap who can match Thanos power for power are few and far between. These non-linear types are tough to prep against short of preemptive assassination and don't necessarily need to overpower Thanos to defeat him, although the Imp has the juice to take him on at least.

Imp is skyfather level! At least!

<<Thanos is a telepath powerful enough to pry into Galactus' mind and re-program the Beyonder. He can easily turn the lasso into an advantage by mentally controlling WW into tying up most of her own group in the lasso.>>

just because you're a telepath doesn't mean you can control everyone's mind. i'd need to see some pretty definitive proof of thanos taking mental control over someone (who, as av said, has the mental capacity of a god) before i REMOTELY buy thanos mentally controlling diana - or ANY of this group. (flash could also lend diana the speed force so SHE did the attacking, rather than flash) gleaning info from someone/something is much different than actually controlling them.

as for the force field - he'd have to lower it to attack (as he did against the champion) i've little doubt strange or fate or gl could detect the presence of the field. if he's content to simply sit behind his shield all day, gl, fate and strange could easily shield his blasts. shields for both it's a non-fight. thanos drops his shields it's all over in a picosecond.

<<Imp is skyfather level! At least!>>

as is phantom stranger - at least at times . . .

Originally posted by demigawd
It doesn't mean she's immune to telepathy. It means she's immune to Max Lord. Remember, she may be able to see things with a god's eyes and understand things through a god's wisdom, but Galactic and Beyonder ARE gods. Didn't help them.

Thanos, while not a speedster, has extremely good reaction time, mainly because his thought processes are so much faster. Waverunner's power is useful, but Thanos, during his month of one-sided prep, will know to take Waverunner out first with an instant attack. That ruins the ability for everybody else to organize. A second telepathic attack takes down most of the others. And the rest are fairly easy to pick off.

Waverider is a linear man, he can see all facets of the timestream..basically knows anything that can or will happen. He was there when DD and Supes blew up Calaton and the blast didnt kill him. I doubt Thanos is fast enough to instantly take him out. Even though a thanos blast could hurt him. He'll be frozen in time and thus vulnerable to anything the other characters want.

We dont know if Cyborg is vulnerable to psychic energy being a psychic being primarily. Tech would also be useless against him as he could control anything instantly when PIS isnt in play.

WW is still much faster than him and has unbreakable weapons.

Doom can steal his powers or find a way to nullify him especially if waverider is there.

Strange is strange..who knows what this one may come up with. If Thanos cant knock out Waverider in a second, then its over.

Originally posted by leonidas
[B]<<Thanos is a telepath powerful enough to pry into Galactus' mind and re-program the Beyonder. He can easily turn the lasso into an advantage by mentally controlling WW into tying up most of her own group in the lasso.>>

just because you're a telepath doesn't mean you can control everyone's mind. i'd need to see some pretty definitive proof of thanos taking mental control over someone (who, as av said, has the mental capacity of a god) before i REMOTELY buy thanos mentally controlling diana - or ANY of this group. (flash could also lend diana the speed force so SHE did the attacking, rather than flash) gleaning info from someone/something is much different than actually controlling them.

Beyonder is a god. Thanos mindtrapped him/her. Ditto with First One. And remember, there's also a difference between controlling someone, which is subject to willpower to some degree and just mindblasting someone, which has nothing to do with your ability to resist. Thanos could just mindblast her if he found mind control to be too tedious.


as for the force field - he'd have to lower it to attack (as he did against the champion) i've little doubt strange or fate or gl could detect the presence of the field. if he's content to simply sit behind his shield all day, gl, fate and strange could easily shield his blasts. shields for both it's a non-fight. thanos drops his shields it's all over in a picosecond. [

Thanos only has to lower the shield for an energy attack. Psionic attacks or matter manipulation can be done from within the shield. And psionic attacks are enough to take out most of that group. I also don't think that GL, fate or Strange could shield his blasts. We're talking about a blast more powerful than the combined attacks of Hulk, Thing, Thor, Surfer, etc, when he easily busted through Quasar's forcefield. And that was even before Thanos power up. I've seen GL shields get pierced before. Fairly regularly, actually. And when you consider Thanos YELLOW blasts, I don't have confidence that they can resist that much firepower.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Waverider is a linear man, he can see all facets of the timestream..basically knows anything that can or will happen. He was there when DD and Supes blew up Calaton and the blast didnt kill him. I doubt Thanos is fast enough to instantly take him out. Even though a thanos blast could hurt him. He'll be frozen in time and thus vulnerable to anything the other characters want.

Waverider is good with the timestream and all, but he hasn't shown enhanced thought speed. I don't think Waverider could defend against an instant Thanos psionic attack.


We dont know if Cyborg is vulnerable to psychic energy being a psychic being primarily. Tech would also be useless against him as he could control anything instantly when PIS isnt in play.

Thanos has a month of prep with stacks of Superman comics. Whatever the Kandorians used to apprehend Cyborg, Thanos can re-create even better.


WW is still much faster than him and has unbreakable weapons.

Unbreakable weapons. Breakable bones. 😉


Doom can steal his powers or find a way to nullify him especially if waverider is there.

Except Thanos power is so undefinable that I don't see how. It's not like Surfer, who has the power cosmic, or Galactus with the power cosmic, Thanos' energy source is really all over the place. And Doom doesn't really have the luxury of prep since Thanos took out Waverunner first.


Strange is strange..who knows what this one may come up with. If Thanos cant knock out Waverider in a second, then its over.

I know little about Waverunner, so I don't know his ability to resist psionic attacks. I'd like someone else to chime in on him.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<Imp is skyfather level! At least!>>

as is phantom stranger - at least at times . . .

An Imp would be if he were unfettered or with a brilliantly ruthless master, but I wouuldn't say that Johnny Thunder commanding the Imp is. The Phantom Stranger sometimes runs with that league, but I don't think he's there himself.

If people like Silver Surfer (multiple wins against Mephisto) and Doctor Strange (who beats more Skyfather level invading demon lords before breakfast than most heroes do all day) are acceptable, then I'd have thought these two would be. (or, of course, I wouldn't have picked them)

As they are usually portrayedi, neither of them, though possesing great power, could simply over-power Thanos from the get-go. Or, to put it another way, I'd expect Thanos with a month of prep to soundly best either one of them alone.

If y'all really think they're clearly over the line, I'll come up with alternate choices. But come on, my team is cool! 🙁

Yes, cool team.

Now come up with another one, lol.

I see your team as being more like molecule man. Infinite power with some human fallability. But I wouldn't allow molecule man, either.

prof x
martain manhunter
jean grey
dr. strange
dr. strangefate

if they all did some kind of mind attack on thanos
would he be able to block it and defeat all 5 of them??

In his month of prep, he'd stop by the local anti-mutant store and buy some MUTANT POWER-OFF sprays. Then he'd stop by the local anti-psionics store and buy some of those MIND BEGONE powders.

Hulk already really pissed off
Thor's highest form
Magneto
Iceman
Superman if he's allowed, if not, Flash

Ah, more mutants! How wonderful!

Thanos takes another trip to the local Genoshan supply shoppe and picks up some mutant power off switches. Or bums some off of Bolivar Trask. And that takes care of both Magneto and Iceman.

Gamma drain takes care of Hulk.

Thor's highest form is Rune King Thor, which is skyfather and not allowed.

Superman is allowed, but also dies because Thanos picks some of kryptonite and build a red sun gun in the month.

Basically in order to win this, your team can't have any easily exploitable weaknesses. That mean no Hulk (gamma vulnerability), no Superman (kryptonite, red sun, yellow drain), and no mutants (power off).