Spider-man vs. Sabertooth

NO didn't venom smack him with a big heap of beach sand and that put him out, then slammed him into the water? after that HT used all his remaining power to light up and get venom off of him.

One last example on my part (since this is getting so off topic lol) in the arachnis (sp?) project venom marched his way through various amounts of body gaurds and then spiderman and the entirety of he jury (sonic guns and all), and promplty kicked the ass of anyone that got in his way. THEN he went on to fight drake who had at the time the comparitive size, strength, and look of a queen alien (was even sporting the corrosive saliva), and despite being in a room filled with fire venom kicked the crppity crap out of him too. This is why I don't get it when people think a simple shot with a lazer or something like that is going to down venom, he's stood up to much much more.

He's been totally bombarded by sonics from Punisher's van in Funeral Pyre and he still managed to live. He was being dangled over a fire by Carnage in Maximum Carnage and he didn't die.

They are weaknesses, but they aren't going to kill him like Kryptonite would Superman.

agreed. Have you seen the new toxin series?

Toxin series? No.

Venom vs. Carnage....yes.

oh marvel just released toxin in his own series? I was just wondering if the art was as kickass as the v vs. c series was. nevermind then.

I think I heard that they are making a Toxin series of comics. I don't know when it would come out or how many comics it would involve.

I don't think the artwork would be as elaborate as the V vs C series...

i just got the advance on the toxin series this week (it comes out next week for everyone else). Um... dont get your hopes up. Story isnt too bad, considering the fact that venom (brock) and carnage (the symbiote and cassidy) are both outta the picture for what seems like for good.... but the art... man.... v vs c was beautiful! But this stuff.... this is below what even most REGULAR comics look like...

Originally posted by python99
spidey always find a way to win,
ALWAYS

when did venom die in the mainsteam timeline, I know he's dead in marvel knights spidey but that's not in continuity.

I don't believe Venom is dead right now. He should be alive...just laying low.

in the marvel knights book Mac Gargen..aka Scoripion is Vemon....but I don't really think that book counts...my Vemon is Brock...Edward Charles Brock!

yeah, does anyone know for sure (absolutely positive) that the 18 run venom series is out of continuity, like I said it runs parallel with spiderman "the hunger" story arc and that was in continuity, so does anyone know for sure?

Anyway's I'd like to see the new super venom in action.

the new "super venom" isnt all too "super". That's the one you saw in the venom vs carnage story. He's just a bit bigger, and actually a good one on one match for carnage now (hence, carnage won the first fight, and venom won the 2nd)

was that venom after his upgrades? I thought that too be a simple continuity error on marvels part (like having wolverine in 18 different storylines playing good and evil at the same time. I thought that was just normal venom.

im not sure, i think it was venom after his upgrades, cuz he sure handed carnage's ass to him in the 2nd fight, and normal venom typically (not always) but typically wasnt good enought to do that.

true.....I wish mavel would get their **** together.

Originally posted by jinzin
well for one thing alone, he has a healing factor. lol. As hard as that is to believe he didn't show any signs of having one back in the day. After pulling the webbing off of his face he hadn't even recovered by 2 months later. In the same token sabretooth took the same kinds of injuries by wolverine's hands and healed in three panals, and that was with adamantium which slows down the healing factor. With adamantium his healing factor is faster than wolverine's without adamantium. Wolverine without his adamantium poisoning slowing him down puts his healing factor into overdrive to the point where xavier said at one point the only real way to kill wolverine would be a quick decapitation. Sabretooth's being faster than that is absurd perhaps but no less valid. Sabretooth now has superstrength in excess of 5 to 6 tons for sure possibly even 10 though the limits of his physical strength have not yet been tested. Read a few of my previous posts for sabretooth "feats of strength". Also as I said he's got unbreakable adamantium now.

So kontraz, that's why spidey isn't KOing sabretooth. Spidey gave "everything he had" addmittedly to wolverine with full on blows to the face. Sabretooth has a faster healing factor that allows him to recover from being stabbed in the brain in a few hours, or minutes, he has an adamantium skeleton as well, and is waaaaay physically stronger than wolverine. Spiderman isn't knocking out anyone.
Strawnilla, your whole defense for spiderman is that he will win since he can't be hit, when he has been hit by street-speed characters hundres of times......FREAKING HUNDREDS. (by the way I wasn't calling doom a street level character, I was insinuating that his fighting speed is at a street level, he has no super reflexes or super speed in a fist fight, and he was able to pummble spidey with ease, almost killing him. You want to take the (crap writing argument) CWA out of this than fine, I'll put you between a rock and a hard place. In Punisher's first appearance spidey was able to dodge bullets and was later kicked in the grill by pun,,,,,so was that crap writing? If you say yes than spiderman bullet dodging is too, if you say no than you have to concede that street-speed characters can hit spidey....pick your poison but either way, it doesn't change the fact that spiderman has been hit and will continue to be hit by street-speed characters for years. By the way, you don't believe bats can dodge flurries of bullets? how many batman comics have you read? pfffft. Being more elastic, book smart, slightly stronger, slightly faster, and more agile will do him nothing as soon as sabretooth gets in his one good hit. You keep forgeting to add a couple of things there Who can take more punishment? who can take more punishment and keep coming? who has the killer instinct? who isn't above using "bait" to his advantage?
Spiderman tops out sabes in a number of factors it's true but spiderman can't hit sabretooth with anything that will put sabretooth down. It all comes down to the webbing. And if spiderman can't capitalize on it than he's screwed it's that simple.

Sabe is fast
Spidey is faster

Sabe isn't dumb
Spidey is gifted

Sabe's pretty elastic in his own right
Spidey's twice as elastic as the average human

Sabe can leap fairly high
Spidey leaps over entire building stories

Sabe is agile
I need not explain how Spidey greatly dwarfs Sabe in terms of agility

Sabe can dodge things fairly well as they happen
Spidey can dodge thing VERY well BEFORE they happen

Need I go on? Are you going to bring up the tired (and untrue) arguments like Sabe hitting Spidey once with those claws and ending the fight or Spidey not being able to handle bullets? Spidey can take some deep cuts and still feel well enough to swing home. And this won't even have to count seeing that since Spidey knows those weapon X types and how they have no problem going for the kill and doing so early on. Spidey's reflexes are quite a bit sharper than Sabe's own, not to mention how Spidey is strong enough to toss Sabe a great many miles by throwing him up by the legs, arms, waist, etc. He could mulekick the guy a couple miles backwards seeing that they are strong enough to handle a landing from more than a couple stories up.

In short: Peak humans HAVE to be written to be able to hit Spidey in a fight, it's not like they could, they can't. And even if Spidey allowed it wouldn't hurt him, he could allow an entire day without so much as saying "Ow!" And one punch from Spidey (as he is more than fast enough to deliver one) and the fight is over via KO or death.

And I've given you my arguments why Sabe wouldn't be able to hit Spidey if he those reflexes of his to a high use. He'd need to, and he's not dumb as to not realize so.

And by the by jinzin, the advanatges Spidey holds over Sabe in terms of agility, speed, and elasticity are far above slight, I'm almost surprised you'd say so.

I'll agree with you on how Spidey's strength advantage is slight, but saying that the speed and elasticity advantages Spidey holds over Sabe is like saying a gazelle is not too much slower than a cheetah.

I guess you haven't seen many discovery channel programs where the gazelle outruns the cheetah huh? on average yes the cheetas faster,,,,,on average an ordinary human doesn't hit spidey. But like the gazelle, it depends on the individual. Spidey got floored by cap and commented on the power of his punch.
I could care less if you find that it doesn't count cause that's the way it was written. Spidey's spidersense has been written in two polar opposites, him dodging bullets and then gettin hit by ordinary human's in the same book. I really doesn't matter if you disagree with it cause tens upon tens upon tens upon tens of marvel writters don't,,,,,one of them being stan lee.
If I said peters elasticity and agility was slight I'm sorry i didn't mean that but in terms of strength and speed spidey's doesn't hold leagues over sabes.
I really don't know why you are so dillusional, you call the one hit and it's over argument for sabretooth tired and old, but in everyone of your pathetic spiderman arguments you defend spiderman with spidersence claims bordering on him having telepathy not only that but in the same post you say one hit from spiderman and it's over.....hypocracy at it's best. Your whole argument pleads with us to acknowledge that spiderman can't be hit, despite the fact that he's been hit hundreds of times by people far slower than sabretooth. It's not stree-level characters business to be hitting spidey? maybe not in your dream land of spidey pal, but in the respective marvel universe where spiderman actually lives, it is. Spidey has been hit and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit, by street-levels, it's happened over and over again, you don't agree with it?.... tough! that's the character, that's his life like it or love it.
Now you want us to concent to spidey hitting sabretooth miles into the air. How many times as this happened? like 2...maybe, compared to spidey being hit by streeters (and you have the nerve to say him getting hit is unfeasble). and spidey isn't going to just stand up to one claw swipe from sabretooth, he'll die, or be very very injured. Tolerance for pain or not, if he gets one good hit from sabes it's the beginning of the end for him.

Originally posted by Heracles
No Problem someone can correct me of I get any of these wrong.

He now has Super Strength I'm not sure how strong he is but Children of the Atom gives it at 7 tons and he has been seen flipping cars so who knows.

His Healing factor has been amped up.

And he now has Admantium bonded to his skeleton like Wolverine so is claws are now Admantium to.

When he fought Spidey in SS 116 he was at peak human strength had no admantium and a rather limited healing factor.

But again I think these upgrades make it a much tougher fight than before but I really don't know who would win there are good points on both sides here (as well as some bad ones) I think it would be a toss up personally and it would be a hell of a fight and depend on who the writer was as to who would be the Victor.

Thanks for info.

I don't think adimantium bones, faster healing, and a strength upgrade are going to help stop somebody's face from getting shot in the face with webbing. If those are Creed's upgrades, then the outcome in the earlier fight would have still been the same.

I think Spiderman should have an easy victory. If Sabretooth had a significant speed upgrade, I would have different thoughts.