Ive heard a couple of people make opinions about Doom without backing it up with any evidence except their own logic: its impossible for Doom, a regular man in metal armor to beat cosmic types. Doesnt really matter though cuz he has done it. Just read the comics. Doom is far less prep-time dependent than IM. People who say Doom needs prep time are just repeating other people who dont know what they're talking about.
-Doom KO'd Adam Warlock and took a direct attack from Thanos with no prep. IM probably couldnt do this WITH prep time.
-With prep-time, IM fights Thor and the Hulk, not always successfully
-With prep time Doom takes over Earth, beats Silver Surfer, robs Galactus, beats the Beyonder, outsmarts a Watcher, etc.
-Iron Man's armor can absorb impressive amounts of energy
-Doom's armor has absorbed power of cosmic and omnipotent beings
-without prep time and in his basic armor Doom has fought Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Terrax, Hyperstorm, and the dreaming celestial
-without prep time, in his basic armor, IM is a mediocre member of the Avengers.
-Doom is perhaps the smartest man on Earth, only arguable to Reed Richards...mastering all areas of science and even time travel, also adept in magic and sorcery
-IM is on a lower tier than Doom, arguably as smart as Charles Xavier, the Beast, Hank Pym, Black Panther, etc...but still not as smart as the Doom, Richards, Kang, Sinister, Leader types
-IM employs repulsor rays, and rarely uses a force field
-Doom almost always uses a very powerful forcefield, disintingrators, lethal electric or destructive blasts, neuro attacks, or basically something different every time.
Some people r being IM fanboys, ignoring or ignorant to what Doom has done, and exagerating the feats of Iron Man...also i dont see the point in comparing Doom's basic armor to IM most advanced and specialized.
Iron Man MIGHT win because he's a better pilot and fighter than Doom. That's the only angle. Even if neither of them are preponderantly superior in tech, they're roughly even, and Doom's armor is far more endurant than Iron Man's. We know this.
Frankly, it's not really a fair fight. Doom is supposed to be an epic villain who requires a group of people to take down; that's why he beat the Beyonder. Iron Man is supposed to be the non-super-powered pilot. Yes, he may be able to pull out a victory, but it'd require him putting everything he had into it and making virtually no mistakes.
I've always seen is as Iron Man's armor being more offensive and Doom's armor being more defensive. Doom is known for having really powerful shields and defensive weaponry and armor traps. IM is known for having all kinds of missles and guns and lasers and beams. IM is also a lot more mobile than Doom, and a better fighter. While I believe that IM would be more effective without prep against numerous opponents than Doom would be, in a head to head battle, I don't think IM has anything in his arsenal that could break through those god forsaken shields of Doom. For that reason alone, I'd give the match to Doom.
Lets see, to this little fan boy called alpha centauri, you didnt answer my question, in which number and collection doom take surfer without preparation time?
Second, you fool are the one who is behaving like a idiot little fan boy makes of doom a untouchable god or something, relax boy, you needent to insult to defend your beloved doom, we are talking about comic characters, ok?
Third of all, you are liying again and talking bullshith again. So when iron man said that doom could beat him was serious and when doom admited in a fantastic four number, i think that it was number 100 and something and he was talking with the thing in his most powerful form, that iron man armor was better and the repulsor rays were better than his blasters were not serious? Are you joking? so, you take the things that you are interested in it serioulsy and the other things not? Go to hell, little fan boy. Please, post here some serious argument, not that child things.
Your, doom little fanboys are the ones who need to read more comics of iron man and doom. Lets see:
Iron man has beaten doom in the avengers collection and in a graphic novel with both in camelot.
Iron man has taken the hulk( in avengers and iron man collection), silver surfer( in a avengers vs defenders special), thanos ( in a captain marvel number) and thor ( in a iron man number).
Doom has looses against the beast in his non blue hair form( in a fantastic four issue number 100 something with doom kidnapping beast and miss marvel in thing form and the x-men and the thing teaming to liberate them), spiderman( in spider man collection) , the hulk( in both hulk and fantastic four colletion) the fantastic four( always) , the avengers( avengers collection), the x-men( x-men collection, i remember that the team was with wolverine, storm, collossus, night crawler, etc), captain america(both cap and avengers collection), thor ( both thor and avengers collection) daredevil( both daredevil and fantastif four collection) the thing ( more than once in fantastic four and in his own series) namor( in avengers and in fantastic four collections) etc, etc. So yes, doom little fan boys, as you can see, i need to read comics with doom in it.
Doom armor is like first iron man golden and red armor, so , his most avanced armors are too way better than doom's is. You are liying again and posting nonsenses, centauri.
Ah, one thing more, Doctor Doom is my favourite villain of all time, but im not so blind and obssesed like some little fan boys who are all the time overrating him. Spider man and batman are my two favourite characters but not doubt that the hulk or thor or superman could take them easily without preparation time.
One of the things that i was triying to say is that it doesnt matter too much, in spite of the nonsense that alpha centauri note that iron man was serious in his statment. That is what the scripter of the history thinks, so when doom said that iron man armor was more avanced and his blaster less powerful than iron man repulsors rays wasnt serious and the other statment yes? That is stupid.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, to this little fan boy called alpha centauri, you didnt answer my question, in which number and collection doom take surfer without preparation time?
You're one of THE biggest fanboys on this site, so think before calling me that. Secondly the issue is "Loftier than mortals part 1" Silver Surfer volume 2.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Second, you fool are the one who is behaving like a idiot little fan boy makes of doom a untouchable god or something, relax boy, you needent to insult to defend your beloved doom, we are talking about comic characters, ok?
I love it when people use insults. Surfer is my favourite character, sorta puts your claims up slack alley doesn't it? I would be denying it if I were a fanboy. I'm not. I don't love Doom, he's a great character. So is Iron-Man, but Iron-Man wouldn't beat him. Just because you fail to acknowledge all that he has done and dislike it, doesn't equate (that means equal) to being overrated.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Third of all, you are liying again and talking bullshith again. So when iron man said that doom could beat him was serious and when doom admited in a fantastic four number, i think that it was number 100 and something and he was talking with the thing in his most powerful form, that iron man armor was better and the repulsor rays were better than his blasters were not serious? Are you joking? so, you take the things that you are interested in it serioulsy and the other things not? Go to hell, little fan boy. Please, post here some serious argument, not that child things.
I've got that issue, he never said that, you are lying. He said that Iron-Man has formidable weaponry, which he does. You are claiming that he said they are better. Iron-Man makes weapons for a living so if anything he is going to have the better arms. However, Doom makes more than weapons and as a result he has the better technology. I know it, everyone knows it. Including Marvel writers.
I'm gonna start a counter for every time you repeat yourself.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Your, doom little fanboys are the ones who need to read more comics of iron man and doom. Lets see:Iron man has beaten doom in the avengers collection and in a graphic novel with both in camelot.
Iron man has taken the hulk( in avengers and iron man collection), silver surfer( in a avengers vs defenders special), thanos ( in a captain marvel number) and thor ( in a iron man number).
Doom has looses against the beast in his non blue hair form( in a fantastic four issue number 100 something with doom kidnapping beast and miss marvel in thing form and the x-men and the thing teaming to liberate them), spiderman( in spider man collection) , the hulk( in both hulk and fantastic four colletion) the fantastic four( always) , the avengers( avengers collection), the x-men( x-men collection, i remember that the team was with wolverine, storm, collossus, night crawler, etc), captain america(both cap and avengers collection), thor ( both thor and avengers collection) daredevil( both daredevil and fantastif four collection) the thing ( more than once in fantastic four and in his own series) namor( in avengers and in fantastic four collections) etc, etc. So yes, doom little fan boys, as you can see, i need to read comics with doom in it.
So far you've used the "fanboy" line, well into the double digits. Gonna think up some new material? Or continue along this childish path of throwing a tantrum everytime I whoop you? You don't read comics with Doom in, clearly. You just read loads of comics with Iron-Man in.
Hahahahaha. So you are trying to claim that Doom is incapable of taking Surfer yet you believe Iron-Man can beat Hulk, Surfer and Thanos and Thor? Are you simple? I have EVERY comic you mentioned and you are lying. Iron-Man never won any of those fights on his own and some of them he didn't even win at all. Haha, you call me a fanboy then you write a whole page polishing Iron-Man's helmet.
Iron-Man can't do anything on his own. You wanna talk about accomplishments?
-Beaten Terrax, herald of Galactus. No prep.
-Beaten Surfer, herald of Galactus. No prep.
-Outsmarted the Beyonder, Galactus and The Watcher.
-Whooped both teams in Secret Wars. Made his OWN team obey him and just plain mocked the good team, which included Iron-Man.
-Withstood a point blank Infinity Gauntlet blast from Thanos RIGHT after Terraxia beheaded Iron-Man, and survived it unharmed.
-Had left the Pharoah Akhameten near Death when the combined might of Thanos and the Defenders were helpless.
-Beat Adam Warlock with no prep whatsoever.
-Withstood a full blast from Galactus.
-Took over the Avengers Mansion by MAILING parts of a Doombot into the place and letting it reassemble (then it battered the Avengers, including Iron-Man) and take over.
-Has captured and tortured the X-Men collectively.
-Beat Hyperstorm, no prep.
-Outsmarted and beat Reed Richards.
-Has wins over the Fantastic Four.
-Conquered Earth 3 times...alone.
How many of those things could Iron-Man do? Zero, is the answer. Except maybe capture the X-Men.
Pretty hard to overrate him in my opinion.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Doom armor is like first iron man golden and red armor, so , his most avanced armors are too way better than doom's is. You are liying again and posting nonsenses, centauri.Ah, one thing more, Doctor Doom is my favourite villain of all time, but im not so blind and obssesed like some little fan boys who are all the time overrating him. Spider man and batman are my two favourite characters but not doubt that the hulk or thor or superman could take them easily without preparation time.
Nah see you're getting fact confused with opinion. You can think that all you want, but it's not true. Iron-Man doesn't have the better technology or the better armour. I'm sorry if that upsets you but it's just the way it is.
He may be better at CONSISTANTLY making suits than Doom, but if Doom decided he wanted to create loads of armour and advance way way beyond Stark, he could. Stark knows that too.
I don't care who your favourite villain is. I'm not overrating him, I'm not telling you that he's done certain things when he hasn't. I'm giving you things he has actually done. You reeled off a fake list of stuff Iron-Man "has done" and it's mostly fake. "Iron-Man beat Surfer in a Fantastic Four number". Hahah, and I'm the fanboy?
Give it a rest.
Doom wins. With or without prep. Iron-Man can't hit him through his forcefield. Don't like it? Tough. It's how things go.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You're one of THE biggest fanboys on this site, so think before calling me that. Secondly the issue is "Loftier than mortals part 1" Silver Surfer volume 2.
waitaminute waitaminute waitaminute....THAT'S what you and everybody else on the board has been referring to all this time you've said that Doom beat Surfer with no prep???? Man, I took it at face value because everybody seemed to be in agreement on it, but I've read THAT issue....Doom doesn't beat Surfer. Doom doesn't fight Surfer. Doom invites Surfer to his castle, and Surfer doesn't have the slightest idea who he is, then Doom activates a machine that siphons off Surfer's power. He then takes off in Surfer's board.
So if that's your reference, and that's everybody's reference for the Doom/Surfer fight, you're ALL WAAAAAY off.
A)It wasn't a fight.
B) There was A LOT of prep.
Bakerboy, your post was just a bunch of childish insults with nothing backing it up but vague descriptions of issues without any numbers... were you saying Doom was beaten by Beast in the issue where Doom was protected by Black Panther? The X-men were involved and so was black Panther...and most importantly the FF...oh and it was later revealed Doom was a Doombot in that issue...actually every loss u mentioned was probably a Doombot, or just straight up untrue...and like AC said, those IM accomplishments were either not accomplished on his own, or not accomplished at all.
AC made a really good post, mentioning actual comics...and the facts, which show Doom would absolutely crush IM...although i really enjoy debating it and i dont think there is anyreason for us to insult one another.
Now that I think about it...when people on this board mention Doom beating Terrax, I also hope they're not referring to their "fight" where Terrax, given "limited cosmic power" fights the Fantastic Four, Doom and Surfer and FUSES Doom's armor, leaving him unable to move. Because, uh, that ain't a win. That's a loss....
Hey, what the hell is that? First of all , i wasnt the first one on insult, read the total post and youll see it. I dont want to go on insults, but that guy was the first one on insult me calling me silly.
Second of all, alpha centauri is a LIAR. i have that issue too, and as demigawd has said, doom invited surfer to his castle and then, absorved his power with a machine. AND YOU CALL IT TAKE SURFER WITHOUT PREPARATION TIME? HAHAHAHA. ARE YOUR PROOFS AND YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE BASED ON A LIE. And that is a good post, the only concrete number that he has mencioned was a lie.
I dont care if you life in your own planet and doom is the untouchable god there, the facts are the facts and doom could loose many battle if he hasnt preparation time to use his most powerful weapon, his mind.
Another lie, WHEN WAS PROOVED THAT DOOM WAS A DOOMBOT IN HIS FIGHT WITH THE BEAST? i dont remember that issue in the next issues of fantastic four.
You are the one on being the first fan boy of this site, calling insults to the people for not liking the those stupid man spider movies and for posting that iron man couldnt beat doom.
I dont care if surfer is your favourite character or not, but your whole argument that doom could take him withou preparation time or magic is based ON A LIE.
In the spanish traduction of that fantastic four issue, doom said that iron man has a better armor than him and the repulsors were most powerful than his blasters.
What the hell you know if i read doom comics or not? clearly , if he is my favourite comic villain, i have read a lot of comics with him. Same with iron man , who is one of my favourite characters.
You are wrong again, i have said that doom couldnt beat hulk, thor , surfer or thanos without preparation time, with it, yes. Same with iron man. Read first what i posted , isnt that difficult.
Hahahaha, so iron man couldnt do anything in his own? man, you are the one who needs to read more iron man comics.
You are confusing yourself, so , at first you have said that stark made the best suit and then, doom suit is better. Man, clear yourself.
Again, read what i posted, IRON MAN BEATED SURFER IN A AVENGERS VS DEFENDERS ISSUE. in that issue, iron man beated surfer, beast beated captain america and thor beated valkiria. I dont remember who was the winner in the gargoyle vs wasp battle. but he beated surfer in his own, with intelligence, because if not, he couldnt beat surfer .
Without preparation time, iron man wins. If not, doom wins. You are the one who should take it, if you not like it and live in your own world , is your problem. But the things are in that way.
Demigawd, that is the kind of issue that centauri is doing, arguments bassed on lies, ovioulsy, doom couldnt take terrax without an extra power or kind of force, but as they are always overrating him, they changed it to try to convince us that doom is a unbeatable god. Is always in the same way, lie after lie.
No, that's one of the issues. I'm looking for the other one. It happened in the late 2nd Volume of Surfer, I forget the issue number but Doom beat Surfer because they encountered each other by chance and Surfer said that Doom was up to no good and that he couldn't just go about his business. Doom said he had no choice and blasted him out the way.
Now, Surfer could easily kill Doom, but he wouldn't ever do that. He wouldn't even fight back. So yes, Doom beats Surfer.
There wasn't alot of prep. Surfer showed up by chance at Doom's castle and Doom played the situation. He didn't have the machine there purposely for Surfer.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Hey, what the hell is that? First of all , i wasnt the first one on insult, read the total post and youll see it. I dont want to go on insults, but that guy was the first one on insult me calling me silly.
I said "Silly". I didn't say "Bakerboy, you're silly". Why are you acting like a child?
Originally posted by bakerboy
Second of all, alpha centauri is a LIAR. i have that issue too, and as demigawd has said, doom invited surfer to his castle and then, absorved his power with a machine. AND YOU CALL IT TAKE SURFER WITHOUT PREPARATION TIME? HAHAHAHA. ARE YOUR PROOFS AND YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE BASED ON A LIE. And that is a good post, the only concrete number that he has mencioned was a lie.
No it wasn't. Nothing I said in my post was a lie, at all.
Originally posted by bakerboy
I dont care if you life in your own planet and doom is the untouchable god there, the facts are the facts and doom could loose many battle if he hasnt preparation time to use his most powerful weapon, his mind.
You are the only one calling Doom an unbeatable God, lets not overlook that.
You make the big mistake in saying that Doom is nothing without Prep. The FACT is that you are wrong. Simple.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Another lie, WHEN WAS PROOVED THAT DOOM WAS A DOOMBOT IN HIS FIGHT WITH THE BEAST? i dont remember that issue in the next issues of fantastic four.You are the one on being the first fan boy of this site, calling insults to the people for not liking the those stupid man spider movies and for posting that iron man couldnt beat doom.
I dont care if surfer is your favourite character or not, but your whole argument that doom could take him withou preparation time or magic is based ON A LIE.
No, you're wrong, get over it. I don't care if you think that Iron-Man can beat Doom, I honestly don't. I'm just trying to tell you that he can't. You fanboy yourself out in every single post by throwing childish tantrums. It's not cool. Those Spider-Man movie debates (which I also whooped you in) have nothing to do with this thread. Why are you bringing them up?
No it isn't based on a lie. It's based on what he has done before and the demeanours of both characters. You obviously haven't read it, that isn't my problem.
Yes it was a Doombot, because almost every appearance by "Doom" is a Doombot. He's only ever appeared in slightly over a dozen comics, as himself.
Originally posted by bakerboy
In the spanish traduction of that fantastic four issue, doom said that iron man has a better armor than him and the repulsors were most powerful than his blasters.
Iron-Man said the same thing, many times. So what is your point? Doom actually has the better armour. It's not really up for debate besides the ACTUAL weapons. In which case you could debate that Iron-Man is better. It doesn't matter though because Iron-Man can't do anything to Doom, he can't get through Doom's shield.
Originally posted by bakerboy
What the hell you know if i read doom comics or not? clearly , if he is my favourite comic villain, i have read a lot of comics with him. Same with iron man , who is one of my favourite characters.
You quoted cross overs, one shots and spanish comics. He's your favourite character and you are saying he can beat Thanos, Thor, Hulk, Doom, Spider-Man. Then you call me a fanboy for liking Doom. Funny.
Originally posted by bakerboy
You are wrong again, i have said that doom couldnt beat hulk, thor , surfer or thanos without preparation time, with it, yes. Same with iron man. Read first what i posted , isnt that difficult.
Iron-Man couldn't beat any of those people WITH prep. If you think he could then my case is proven.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Hahahaha, so iron man couldnt do anything in his own? man, you are the one who needs to read more iron man comics.You are confusing yourself, so , at first you have said that stark made the best suit and then, doom suit is better. Man, clear yourself.
Again, read what i posted, IRON MAN BEATED SURFER IN A AVENGERS VS DEFENDERS ISSUE. in that issue, iron man beated surfer, beast beated captain america and thor beated valkiria. I dont remember who was the winner in the gargoyle vs wasp battle. but he beated surfer in his own, with intelligence, because if not, he couldnt beat surfer .
Without preparation time, iron man wins. If not, doom wins. You are the one who should take it, if you not like it and live in your own world , is your problem. But the things are in that way.
I have hundreds of Iron-Man comics. He's good, but he's not Doom. Nor could he beat Doom, it's simple really. He prepares for fights against Hulk and gets whooped. Iron-Man with prep makes no difference.
I never said Stark made better suits, I said consistantly. Coz he makes loads for a living. He may also have slightly better ARTILLARY. That doesn't mean anything though because it's not gonna affect Doom.
Beated? Learn grammar, firstly. Secondly, Iron-Man, prep or not, could not beat Surfer. That comic had Beast beating Captain America, it was pathetic.
No, that's not the way things are. Iron-Man isn't beating Doom. You are only helping me with your posts.
Doom doesn't need prep to beat Iron-Man.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, that's one of the issues. I'm looking for the other one. It happened in the late 2nd Volume of Surfer, I forget the issue number but Doom beat Surfer because they encountered each other by chance and Surfer said that Doom was up to no good and that he couldn't just go about his business. Doom said he had no choice and blasted him out the way.
I think you're referring to vol 3. Vol 2 is only a few issues long.
I have most of vol 3, and there were only two or three issues that involved Doom. One was when Surfer asked Doom to remove his cosmic power out of guilt. The second was the issue after, when that turned out to be (of course) a Doombot. But there was no combat there. Which issue or storyline specifically are you referring to?
Now, Surfer could easily kill Doom, but he wouldn't ever do that. He wouldn't even fight back. So yes, Doom beats Surfer.
Well, if Batman stood there and didn't fight back, I could take a bat and kill him. Doesn't mean I can beat Batman.
There wasn't alot of prep. Surfer showed up by chance at Doom's castle and Doom played the situation. He didn't have the machine there purposely for Surfer.
You're misremembering. I'll assume accidentally. Doom planned the whole thing. He showed up on some giant video in the sky and invited Surfer to his castle. He had a bunch of troops standing outside of the room Doom said he designed especially for this occassion. Doom lured Surfer into the room and gave the signal, and the men outside of it activated the power transference.
I'd also like to know which "victory" over Terrax you were referring to.