AC you are bringing two characters in this argument who are the only two out of norm.
His standard armor is neither a Thor or Hulk armor. Furthermore just as a side not, those are not really armors but rather exoskeletons shells made to be much harder and tougher in a battle. His base, standard armor is at the heart of those armors and once those "shells" no longer work, IM's standard armor is still on.
Regardless of that fact you brought two specialized armor versions in this argument which I doubt hold any relevance to a unprepped fight against Doom with his standard version on. None of the new comix have really dissected and analyzed the specific upgrades that Stark has made over the years. Whenever Stark fights a battle, he later will incorporate a new feature to his armor, that he hadn't previously thought of.
The only way to really now how powerful and upto date his armor is, is to look it up cuz the comix won't truly depict it.
What people doesnt understand is that Doom needs preparation time to win a fight DEPENDS ON WHO IS THE FOE. For iron man, he needs preparation time clearly to win this battle, because iron man armor is superior to his armor. Yeah, doom has beaten warlock, but he needed preparation time to beat surfer and galactus, because his regular armor couldnt absorb the cosmic power without some add. Plus, iron man has beaten surfer in the past , and hulk. his armor can absorb more energy and punishment than doom's, his armor can fly way better, is faster and more durable and has a bigger variety of weapons and force atackk. Doom clearly needs preparation time to make of his armor an equal as iron man's, or a superior armor. If not, he looses.
My point is that all these people Doom have fought, prep time was involved and not only was tech used but as well as magic. IM is ready 24hrs a day. I have seen them fight on several occasions and most of the outcome remains the same. Either standstill or fight never decides who the victor is.
Stark has a lot of respect and admiration for Doom's mind and he assumes that his tech is less advanced than Vic BUT that is not necessarily true because in Heroes Reborn when Fury gathered IM and Doom, Fury stated to IM that he also contracted with Doom for a lot of his tech, and Fury stated that "Sorry IM, but Stark isn't the only genius around".My point is Fury never mentioned who was better but just stated that they were both or had great tech.
And furthermore as bakerboy stated, IM is a better pilot/fighter and that cannot be denied
Originally posted by bakerboy
Yeah, doom has beaten warlock, but he needed preparation time to beat surfer and galactus,
Point proven. He beat a top order cosmic without prep. He didn't prep to beat Surfer. He punked Surfer and took his board. Granted Surfer didn't fight back but Doom took him out and has done multiple times. In his own comic also.
Doom doesn't need prep.
Originally posted by LordFear
My point is that all these people Doom have fought, prep time was involved and not only was tech used but as well as magic. IM is ready 24hrs a day. I have seen them fight on several occasions and most of the outcome remains the same. Either standstill or fight never decides who the victor is.
Stark has a lot of respect and admiration for Doom's mind and he assumes that his tech is less advanced than Vic BUT that is not necessarily true because in Heroes Reborn when Fury gathered IM and Doom, Fury stated to IM that he also contracted with Doom for a lot of his tech, and Fury stated that "Sorry IM, but Stark isn't the only genius around".My point is Fury never mentioned who was better but just stated that they were both or had great tech.
And furthermore as bakerboy stated, IM is a better pilot/fighter and that cannot be denied
You're wrong. Prep time wasn't involved with Warlock, Surfer (a couple of times) or Terrax. I don't even think it was involved when he fought Hyperstorm. Magic CERTAINLY wasn't involved.
I-M is ready 24/7? And you're implying Doom isn't? Give it a rest.
So? What does Nick Fury have to do with this? Iron-Man knows more about his tech than Fury and he thinks it's inferior. He even said that Doom could FAR surpass him if he wanted to. You want proof that Doom's is better? Iron-Man has how many sets of armour? Haha yes. Exactly.
It doesn't matter who Fury thinks had a great match, you're talking nonsense. I-M has no clue what Doom could pull out, Doom knows everything about I-M. I-M couldn't beat Dr. Doom, Doom is just too superior to him.
I-M a better pilot? So what? They're not racing planes. So what if he's a better fighter? Doom has a forcefield.
Doom wins.
-AC
Lets see, not, you are wrong. Doom never could beat surfer without some kind of add to his armor, with his regular armor, he is too way inferior to surfer. You are talking about a normal man in an armor and a dude with cosmic power, that is ridiculous. I havent never read a comic in which doom beated surfer without preparation time. What number and collection happened that that you posted?
You are the one who is talking nonsense, that iron man has said that doom was superior to him doesnt mean anything. That is the opinion of the scripter of the history, not a proove. I have read too that doom have said that iron man has more powerful rays and weapons and admited that his blaster were inferior to iron man's repulsor rays. Reed Richards says in one comic that spider man was too much for the fantastic four, what is nonsense. So, that doesnt proove too much.
Iron man has force fields too in some of his armors, so, what is your point?
Iron mas has a variety of armor models in all his story, so , this battle depends too much of what iron man armor are we talking about. Because the first grey iron man armor isnt the same that the last red and golden one, for put an example. I asume that we are talking about the best iron man armor, the more avanced one, wich is more powerful than doom regular armor.
So, without preparation time, iron man WINS.
With it, doom WINS.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, not, you are wrong. Doom never could beat surfer without some kind of add to his armor, with his regular armor, he is too way inferior to surfer. You are talking about a normal man in an armor and a dude with cosmic power, that is ridiculous. I havent never read a comic in which doom beated surfer without preparation time. What number and collection happened that that you posted?You are the one who is talking nonsense, that iron man has said that doom was superior to him doesnt mean anything. That is the opinion of the scripter of the history, not a proove. I have read too that doom have said that iron man has more powerful rays and weapons and admited that his blaster were inferior to iron man's repulsor rays. Reed Richards says in one comic that spider man was too much for the fantastic four, what is nonsense. So, that doesnt proove too much.
Iron man has force fields too in some of his armors, so, what is your point?
Iron mas has a variety of armor models in all his story, so , this battle depends too much of what iron man armor are we talking about. Because the first grey iron man armor isnt the same that the last red and golden one, for put an example. I asume that we are talking about the best iron man armor, the more avanced one, wich is more powerful than doom regular armor.
So, without preparation time, iron man WINS.
With it, doom WINS.
You sir, haven't read enough Dr. Doom comics.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, not, you are wrong. Doom never could beat surfer without some kind of add to his armor, with his regular armor, he is too way inferior to surfer. You are talking about a normal man in an armor and a dude with cosmic power, that is ridiculous. I havent never read a comic in which doom beated surfer without preparation time. What number and collection happened that that you posted?
So because you've never read the comic, it doesn't/didn't happen? What difference does it make to me that you haven't read the comic? I don't care. So what? You've never read a comic where Surfer loses to Doom. Ok, fine. So what? I've never seen a good American soccer team. Does it mean there isn't one? No.
Originally posted by bakerboy
You are the one who is talking nonsense, that iron man has said that doom was superior to him doesnt mean anything. That is the opinion of the scripter of the history, not a proove. I have read too that doom have said that iron man has more powerful rays and weapons and admited that his blaster were inferior to iron man's repulsor rays. Reed Richards says in one comic that spider man was too much for the fantastic four, what is nonsense. So, that doesnt proove too much.
I'm not talking nonsense. He didn't just make some unfounded "Oh Doom is better" claim. He noted why, he noted that he was outmatched and outclassed and if Doom chose, he could advance himself way beyond where he was at.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Iron man has force fields too in some of his armors, so, what is your point?
You claimed Iron-Man was a better fighter, what does that do to Doom? Nothing. He can't hit him with anything.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Iron mas has a variety of armor models in all his story, so , this battle depends too much of what iron man armor are we talking about. Because the first grey iron man armor isnt the same that the last red and golden one, for put an example. I asume that we are talking about the best iron man armor, the more avanced one, wich is more powerful than doom regular armor.
Silly. Doom's armour could take out each and every one of Iron-Man's armour. The reason I-M needs all of those is because he isn't skilled enough to put it all into one, guess who is? Yes.
The best I-M armour makes no difference. There's nothing he can do to Doom that would matter. Doom knows the in's and out's of I-M's suit and while Iron-Man could pull a few tricks out, it's nothing Doom won't be ready for. Read some comics with Doom in.
Originally posted by bakerboy
So, without preparation time, iron man WINS.With it, doom WINS.
No, without prep, I-M just has more chance.
Secondly, stop ranting and raving like a little kid "Oh the fanboys overrate him".
Heroes of Earth-0 Doom-3.
That's the score on how many times Doom has whooped Earth's heroes while taking over the world, 3 times.
He's beat Warlock, Terrax, Hyperstorm, Surfer, outsmarted Galactus and the Beyonder, stood up to Thanos when he had just wiped out everyone (including Iron-Man). In The End when it took Thanos and The Defenders to try and kill the Pharoah, Doom was on his own and very nearly succeeded in killing him.
It's near impossible to overrate him. Don't like it? Chew.
-AC