Dr. Doom vs. Iron Man

Originally posted by demigawd
I think you're referring to vol 3. Vol 2 is only a few issues long.

I have most of vol 3, and there were only two or three issues that involved Doom. One was when Surfer asked Doom to remove his cosmic power out of guilt. The second was the issue after, when that turned out to be (of course) a Doombot. But there was no combat there. Which issue or storyline specifically are you referring to?

I forgot the issue number but you'll know. The cover where Surfer is on the floor and Doom is standing over him. I think Surfer was going to fight Mephisto and Doom popped up. Wasn't a fight, was an encounter but Doom thwacked him with a blast.

Originally posted by demigawd
Well, if Batman stood there and didn't fight back, I could take a bat and kill him. Doesn't mean I can beat Batman.

No but in the comics Batman would fight back. Surfer has received beat downs from humans before. A group of villagers. Fighting back isn't something he does.

Originally posted by demigawd
You're misremembering. I'll assume accidentally. Doom planned the whole thing. He showed up on some giant video in the sky and invited Surfer to his castle. He had a bunch of troops standing outside of the room Doom said he designed especially for this occassion. Doom lured Surfer into the room and gave the signal, and the men outside of it activated the power transference.

True, forgot the video part but the thing he created wasn't specifically for Surfer and I have still seen Doom take Surfer out in other fashions. Like when he took him off his board. The point I made with that was this: Doom, one way or another, overcame Surfer. If Surfer fought back, I doubt anyone save for Galactus and Thanos could beat him. However, this is Doom Vs Iron-Man. I only brought up the list of accomplishments coz Bakerboy did so. We are both, apparantly, in agreement on this fight.

Originally posted by demigawd
I'd also like to know which "victory" over Terrax you were referring to.

You were correct. He fought Terrax and was gaining the upper hand. The result not withstanding, Doom grappled and overcame ANOTHER herald.

This is all irrelevant. I swear you're just replying to me for the sake of it.

Doom Vs Iron-Man: Doom.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I forgot the issue number but you'll know. The cover where Surfer is on the floor and Doom is standing over him. I think Surfer was going to fight Mephisto and Doom popped up. Wasn't a fight, was an encounter but Doom thwacked him with a blast.

Yeah! You're referring to "Doom Struck"! That's during Vol 3 #106 - 108. Your summary is totally off - Surfer goes to Doom to have his cosmic power removed (lord only knows why he'd ask DOOM). Doom says, "ok, step into my parlor", removes his power, then blasts Surfer, picking up his unconscious body and revealing that he's actually a Doombot designed specifically by the real Doom to find Surfer, grab his power cosmic, and return it to the master.

No but in the comics Batman would fight back. Surfer has received beat downs from humans before. A group of villagers. Fighting back isn't something he does.

Well, then even if he did it (and neither encounter between Doom and Surfer went that way...unless you're referring to a third that I'm still unaware of), it's unworthy of being placed on a Doom resume. Blasting people who don't fight back is hardly what I'd consider a high showing.

True, forgot the video part but the thing he created wasn't specifically for Surfer and I have still seen Doom take Surfer out in other fashions. Like when he took him off his board. The point I made with that was this: Doom, one way or another, overcame Surfer. If Surfer fought back, I doubt anyone save for Galactus and Thanos could beat him.

Yeah, he overcame Surfer. I'm not singling you out, so I'll say that people on this board use that as an example of Doom defeating Silver Surfer in a no-prep situation. But it wasn't a no-prep situation and it was never a fight. It's yet another example of Doom plotting something and doing it. It's an impressive thing, to be sure, but what's the purpose of referencing it when we're doing a no prep fight?

However, this is Doom Vs Iron-Man. I only brought up the list of accomplishments coz Bakerboy did so. We are both, apparantly, in agreement on this fight.

Actually, that accomplishment list that's popping up on so many threads was something I always wondered about, and it wasn't until you mentioned the storyline itself that I realized that something was wrong.

You were correct. He fought Terrax and was gaining the upper hand. The result not withstanding, Doom grappled and overcame ANOTHER herald.

He wasn't gaining the upper hand. He tried to book it and got locked up for his efforts, lol. It was the textbook definition of an OWNING. There was no overcoming by Doom whatsoever.

This is all irrelevant. I swear you're just replying to me for the sake of it.

Not at all. Appearances to the contrary, I'm not actually targeting you. I have no reason to. You mentioned the exact reference, which I realized couldn't have been the case, so I replied to correct it. That, in turn, caused me to question the other accomplishments to get further clarification. It has nothing to do with you specifically.

Doom Vs Iron-Man: Doom.

Hmmm. Not so sure. IM did really well against Surfer in no-prep combat. Ditto with Firelord. Doom DID take down Adam Warlock no-prep with his standard equipment. But I'd say their no-prep accomplishments learn more in IM's favor.

Still can't penetrate Doom's forcefields, though.

I-M did well against Surfer coz Surfer doesn't fight to win or to kill.

Doom still took Surfer out.

Either way, this isn't anything to do with Surfer. I only brought it up in accomplishments.

It's Doom Vs Iron-Man. Bakerboy is using EVERY other example to show why Doom would lose. I don't agree.

-AC

Merging.

And if we wanna use off-topic examples, then let me say that Black Panther has punked Iron Man more than once, without any kind of armor, top that one, suckas.

yes BP beat IM in a one on one hand to hand fight

T'Challa owns Tony.

Well, if you ask me, BP would punk Doom too. But I put BP over both of them. Obviously, you probably wouldn't agree.

AC going back to page ten of this thread when you claim that SS and other cosmic beings were defeated by Doom, can you tell me volume and issue? Furthermore can you give me any issue number of when Doom has actually beaten IM???
And IM doesn't know anything about Doom but Doom knows all concerning IM????
Volume 1-2 in IM books when Doom and him started fighting, Doom has never known who IM was but only speculated, at the end, later on in those issues he began to suspect that Tony and IM might be the same man. You mean to tell me that Doom has intel on IM to that extent but can't find out about his identity and not vice versa?
C'mon man I have seen you debate in threads b4 and did a good job defending your stance, but in this one you lack factual references and allow your fanboyism to overwhelm your better judgement.

BP would punk anyone in the MU at this point.

As for the issue number, it was a misremember on my part. Though Demi doesn't count blasting those who don't blast back as anything special. But this isn't about Surfer.

Why does it matter if Doom has actually beaten him or not? The question is, would he?

Why are you dropping everything and allowing yourself to resort to the old "fanboy" argument? There's nothing even remotely fanboyistic about what I'm saying.

That's the whole part of comics. The villain is never supposed to know the identity of the person. The fact that Doom DOES know of Stark, very well, is a disadvatage to Doom.

Looking at the powers and/or abilities of both, there is nothing Iron-Man can do to get the win. It doesn't matter what Doom could do to Surfer, I raised that because Baker raised others. What matters is what he could do to Iron-Man.

Iron-Man cannot penetrate Doom's forcefield or do anything to Doom's armour that would earn him the win. Marvel obviously believe, more often than not, that Doom is the better character. Superior.

If you can prove me wrong, by all means go for it.

-AC

How do u believe that IM cannot get past his forcefield?
A man that has fought against a hulking behemoth, a thunger God and countless of technologically advanced foes as well as a modern day dragon, yet all of these achievements without any prep time for the most part yet doesn't convince you enough?
Marvel has made these two fight numerous times, have you ever seen an issue where Doom defeated IM singlehandedly?
You will not find one because none exists.

when did iron man successfully fight Thor or Hulk without prep time?
If Doom can KO Warlock with one blast then turn around and take an attack from Thanos unharmed, that alone makes me think he can beat IM.

So because he's fought Hulk, with prep, and got whooped, it means he can get through Doom's forcefield?

Because he's fought Thor and got whooped (with prep), it means he can get through Doom's forcefield?

Why are you badgering on the point that none of the comics exist? The point of this thread, and many like it, is to determine who WOULD win. Iron-Man stated that Doom has the best forcefield there is. He can't do anything with his weaponry that would penetrate it. If it withstood a full blast from Galactus, Iron-Man isn't even in with a shot, no pun intended.

So getting back to reality, if the two were to fight, with or without prep. I believe Doom would win, for reasons stated.

Iron-Man preps for Hulk and Thor, still gets whooped. Doom is more threatening to him than those two. Not because he's stronger or anything, he isn't. Because he's a dangerous character.

If you wanna polish Iron-Man's armour to the extent of calling ME a fanboy, go for it. Doesn't do anyone's argument harm but yours.

-AC

I am just asking for some reference material to back up your claim.
Whats's so hard about that?

To say that iron man never beat the hulk and thor is actually false, iron man beated the hulk several times in his own collection and in the avengers collection with different armors. He beated thor in his own collection too.

Iron man isnt my favourite character, but yes one of them.

So iron man beating surfer in a comic is ridiculous and not doom beating surfer in another comic, or a supposselly victory isnt not. A curious way to see the things, so, who said what is ridiculous in a comic and what not?

Yes , you are right, this is about iron man vs doom, not about another things or about how to writte english. You are right in it.

Lets see, alpha centauri, so if you are talking to me and post the word "silly", you are not calling me that word? mmm, strange way of use the words.

In that issue of surfer doom beated surfer with preparation time , with a machine who was made before , not by his own armor power, and in the other fight, sufer didnt fight too, and you count those two are victories withou preparation time? Man, your concept of a victory in a fight is very weird. Your arguments are still water, you have to say a concrete number and collection where doom beated surfer in a fight without preparation time and you didnt. Also, , in wich number or collection iron man said that he doom was his superior? Also , in wich number or colletcion doom beated terrax without preparation time?

Also, when black panther beated iron man? Its easy to say, " well , once aunt may beated the hulk", but we have to be more espeficifically with proofs,because it could be a lie.

As another people has said, you are lose in a sea of lack of references and concretes comics, your arguements are still water. So in your opinion iron man couldnt beat doom and he couldnt surpasss his force field, what is your argument to proove that? I have never seen doom beating iron man, there arent any comic with doom beating iron man. but there are two or three times when iron man beated doom. Lets see.

One of the first numbers of iron man collection, iron man beating him without preparation time.

Iron man number 200 and something, he beated him again with his one of his last red and golden armor.

Graphic novel with doom and iron man travelling to camelot. Doom wanted to steal merlin's power and iron man stop him and beating him . It was published first 90s.

SO,i give you concrete references of iron man beating doom, could you do the same or you are lost in your fanboyism on doom again. You are whopping your own ass, sir, as always.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Lets see, alpha centauri, so if you are talking to me and post the word "silly", you are not calling me that word? mmm, strange way of use the words.

If I wanted to insult you, you'd know it. I don't insult because there's no point.

Originally posted by bakerboy
In that issue of surfer doom beated surfer with preparation time , with a machine who was made before , not by his own armor power, and in the other fight, sufer didnt fight too, and you count those two are victories withou preparation time? Man, your concept of a victory in a fight is very weird. Your arguments are still water, you have to say a concrete number and collection where doom beated surfer in a fight without preparation time and you didnt. Also, , in wich number or collection iron man said that he doom was his superior? Also , in wich number or colletcion doom beated terrax without preparation time?

I misremembered the encounter. I brought those characters up because you reeled off a list of irrelevant comic issues. So let's get back to Doom Vs Iron-Man and save that for the Dr. Doom Vs (insert name) thread.

Originally posted by bakerboy
As another people has said, you are lose in a sea of lack of references and concretes comics, your arguements are still water. So in your opinion iron man couldnt beat doom and he couldnt surpasss his force field, what is your argument to proove that? I have never seen doom beating iron man, there arent any comic with doom beating iron man. but there are two or three times when iron man beated doom. Lets see.

Not at all. I openly admitted I misremembered. Why does it even matter? The only reason it was brought up was because you brought up everything else. So lets get back to Dr.Doom Vs Iron-Man.

What is my proof to say that Iron-Man couldn't beat Doom's forcefield? Because he doesn't have the power or capability to do so. Galactus couldn't do it. What makes you think Iron-Man can?

Originally posted by bakerboy
One of the first numbers of iron man collection, iron man beating him without preparation time.

Iron man number 200 and something, he beated him again with his one of his last red and golden armor.

Graphic novel with doom and iron man travelling to camelot. Doom wanted to steal merlin's power and iron man stop him and beating him . It was published first 90s.

What happened to concrete issue numbers? I want the issue number for the first one and the exact issue number for the 2nd.

Iron-Man didn't stop him and beat him in that graphic novel. I read it earlier.

Originally posted by bakerboy
SO,i give you concrete references of iron man beating doom, could you do the same or you are lost in your fanboyism on doom again. You are whopping your own ass, sir, as always.

Alot of people are calling me sir, I'm honoured.

Secondly, no you didn't give me ANYTHING concrete. "Iron-Man collection, early", "Iron-Man 200 and something". Concrete? Hardly.

Are you gonna continually harp on points that don't matter and spout of "fanboy" rants to support yourself?

Or are you going to show me how Iron-Man can beat Doom's forcefield, weapons (defensive and offensive), armour and intelligence? Don't quote vague comics, I wanna hear why YOU think he would beat Doom.

I'm waiting.

-AC

Just out of curiousity, does anyone recall an issue where Doom actually kicked Iron Man's ass?

Ok, lets see. If you want concrete references , here are.

First of all, That graphic novel was a sequel or a original story of iron man vs doctor doom in iron man number 149 and 150, here is the cover of the last number:

http://www.boblayton.com/images/im_150_recreation1.jpg

In both numbers and graphic novel, doom couldnt beat iron man.

Also they fought again in iron man number 249 and 250, after stark wars, and iron man volume 2 10 and 2 11 and 2 13 , in those fights iron man won.
Here is a cronology of doom comics apparences and you will see those numbers:

http://www.dreamers.com/doom/crono.html

And here are another cronology:

http://www.math.ucla.edu/~alee/ironman.txt

Well, has i have said before, iron man has a force field too, as strong as doom, also, he has more powerful weapons in his armor, so, iron man could beat doom.

Well, your turn, alpha centauri, i have made my part, do the same thing.

In wich number doom has beaten iron man?
In wich number doom force field has supported galactus atacks?
In wich number iron man said that doom was his superior?
In wich number doom beated terrax and silver surfer without preparation time?
In wich number black panther beated iron man?

Come on, now im waiting. And remember, there are a complete cronology of doom here, dont try to lie again.

Good job with the references. And I'll be the first to admit that your English is a lot better than my Spanish. But, goddammit...THE PAST TENSE OF BEAT IS BEAT. If I see you post BEATED one more time, I'm going to find where you live and beat you with an English book....

Originally posted by bakerboy
Ok, lets see. If you want concrete references , here are.

First of all, That graphic novel was a sequel or a original story of iron man vs doctor doom in iron man number 149 and 150, here is the cover of the last number:

http://www.boblayton.com/images/im_150_recreation1.jpg

In both numbers and graphic novel, doom couldnt beat iron man.

That was a good comic actually. However, "Doom couldn't beat Iron-Man". Do you wanna inform the people of the forum who won? Coz Iron-Man certainly didn't. Doom had the upper hand through a deal of it. Comic covers don't depict the story.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Also they fought again in iron man number 249 and 250, after stark wars, and iron man volume 2 10 and 2 11 and 2 13 , in those fights iron man won.
Here is a cronology of doom comics apparences and you will see those numbers:

http://www.dreamers.com/doom/crono.html

And here are another cronology:

http://www.math.ucla.edu/~alee/ironman.txt

Iron-Man didn't actually beat Doom in those comics. Try re-reading them, pay attention this time.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Well, has i have said before, iron man has a force field too, as strong as doom, also, he has more powerful weapons in his armor, so, iron man could beat doom.

I can do that too, watch:

Doom has a better shield, is much stronger and has better weapons. So Doom would beat Iron-Man. Fact is, mine claims are truer than yours. The only thing Iron-Man can claim to have is better artillary which won't even matter because he can't get through Doom's shield.

Originally posted by bakerboy
Well, your turn, alpha centauri, i have made my part, do the same thing.

In wich number doom has beaten iron man?
In wich number doom force field has supported galactus atacks?
In wich number iron man said that doom was his superior?
In wich number doom beated terrax and silver surfer without preparation time?
In wich number black panther beated iron man?

Come on, now im waiting. And remember, there are a complete cronology of doom here, dont try to lie again.

I never tried to lie. I'm not you.

A) I never said Doom had beaten Iron-Man. Because they're never actually fought. Hence what this thread is for, who would win? That's what the question is.

B) I'm looking for the Galactus issue as we speak.

C) Iron-Man #98.

D) Neither of those people are Iron-Man. So they're irrelevant. He's not fighting Surfer or Terrax, he's fighting Iron-Man.

E) I never brought that up. Someone else did.

Why are you CONTINUALLY avoiding the subject?

Tell me why you think Iron-Man would win. Oh wait, you did. Because he has a shield and better weapons? So what? Doom has a better shield and more varied weapons, a better brain and a better suit.

-AC