Regarding Balance & the death of Palpatine & Vader

Originally posted by tlbauerle
Um...it has NOTHING to do with time.

I think we all like the philisophical discussion....I mean its better than posting in a "ME WANT LINKY" thread.

Yeah, Anakin's death has nothing to do with anything, hell he could have survived and the balance would have been restored, but he died

The more I think about it, the more relevant time becomes....Is Palpatine dead when he is thrown down the shaft?? NO!!! He presumably dies during the fall....and, concievably AT THE SAME TIME that Vader does!!!!!

Vader dies the moment Anakin picks up Palpatine, and Palpatine dies when he hits the bottom. Time isn't that big of a factor in this, and even if it is, so what? Balance is restored, that's what's important.

That also wasnt the question DN. If you dont think it's important dont participoate in the debate, simple as that.

One Palps is dead, because only the light is left.

Jeez, Vader IS Anakin just like Palpatine IS Sidious, they are the SAME person!!!!

IMHO, they aren't the same person, as Anakin is aligned witht he lightside, and Darth Vader is aligned with the darkside. They're completely different and their actions (IMHO) speak for themselves.

And JP, fine, to answer the question, as soon as Palpatine hits the bottom and that blue energy comes shooting up the reactor, balance is restored.

"The conflict within" is a struggle between warring sides of the same personality, while Darth Vader embodies the darkside "there is still good in him"......like it or not, Anakin Skywalker becomes, and IS Darth Vader (but STILL Anakin in the armor)!!

I agree, but I'm just saying IMO, the darkside is like an alternate personality to you, providing you with power and a sense of fulfillment while eating your soul. I know they are the same person physically, but I still count them as two different people.

Okay, but you still have to give in to the darkside, it doesn't just take you over. My analogy would be like a great guy who becomes a complete ass when drunk...different personalities, to be sure, but fundamentally, the same person. The actions of "the drunk(his personal darkside)" are not associated with anyone other than himself...

I see what you're saying, because you're right, Anakin does allow the darkness to take him so he can get more power.

Anakin in the end suffers from a split personality disorder
and when he kills somtin or som1 its vader and not squaky clean anakin
just a little thought in my head

Well, my problem is that you all are portraying Anakin and Vader as two opposites (squeaky clean probably wouldn't encompass the murder of an entire tribe of Tuskens), when in fact we see a lot of Vader in Anakin in the prequels, and later, a lot of Anakin in Vader in 5 & (most notably) 6.

The only way palpi wouldve died is if Vader died to (meaning Anakin came back) so in a sense both had to die BUT Anakin physicaly did not have to die for the balance, the evel in him just needed to, the only way anyone was ever going to kill palpi was if it came unexpected from betrayal. So you could say Palpi got a dose of his own stuff being that he had betrayed so many others.

Originally posted by Sith_Dreamer
One Palps is dead, because only the light is left.

Like i said before that aint balance

all good and no evil isnt a balance

Well, with over a thousand populated worlds, its a safe bet that a LOT more evil is present in the SW universe than just a couple of Sith....

but they dont use the force do they now?

How do you know????

Noone used the force to blow up Alderaan, arguably the biggest atrocity committed in all of the SW films.....