Darth Malak vs. Mace Windu

Dooku had taught Ventress everything she knew about the darkside, he would have known her weaknesses.

Explain to me how that would affect the situation.

And Dooku was on Vjun at the time, a place that increased a darksiders power by quite a bit. Doesn't quite compare.

Poor reasoning. Vjun possesses deep strength in the dark side. Asajj - though not a Sith Lord - made use of the dark side. Thus, logically, her resistance would be that much stronger as well. And it didn't seem to hinder Yoda as much.

Edit: I 'bash' Sexy for only using copied arguments, and then telling others to stop copying other people's. Burrowing one argument, when the rest are mostly my own and original is perfectly fine, especially considering I didn't actually try to pass it off as my own, and made a point in telling everyone that I burrowed it.

And I will bash you for bashing Sexy and then doing the same damn thing. Please. "Borrwed arguments"? Every taboo or believe around here is a borrowed argument. I guess Advent is a user of copied arguments in my case when it comes to Dooku vs. Anakin? Sheesh.

Copied arguments? Whoop-di-doo. You all copy arguments, get over it, Neb.

Originally posted by Captain REX
Copied arguments? Whoop-di-doo. You all copy arguments, get over it, Neb.

Explain to me how that would affect the situation.

Well gee, seeing as he taught her, he would have been able to limit her teachings so he would always stay a step ahead of her, and always keep her under control. Really, brainpower is useful.

Poor reasoning. Vjun possesses deep strength in the dark side. Asajj - though not a Sith Lord - made use of the dark side. Thus, logically, her resistance would be that much stronger as well. And it didn't seem to hinder Yoda as much.

Nope, the reasoning is fine. The darkside only really excels when used destructively (like Dooku did), not for healing or protecting yourself, thus the increase would work much better for Dooku than it would Assaj.

And I will bash you for bashing Sexy and then doing the same damn thing.

Wrong! I expect more from you Gideon. Read over what I've been saying, I'm not doing the same thing that Sexy is doing. Again, brainpower is useful.

Please. "Borrwed arguments"?

When quoting me like a b1tch, at least get it correct.

Every taboo or believe around here is a borrowed argument.

Wrong! I'm constantly bringing new things up, Lightsnake and Glentract especially do this.

I guess Advent is a user of copied arguments in my case when it comes to Dooku vs. Anakin? Sheesh.

1. She comes up with many original arguments despite that, such as her Kyle Katarn one.

2. She hardly copied your argument Escape, she added to it, and improved it, and argued it, much more effectively.

Just to get this straight, I never outright bashed Sexy, I only really bring it up when he actually insults me.

You really are a moron lol, you just keep digging yourself deeper. Stop typing fool.

Guess what Rex?
SEXY IS A SOCK!
Why the hell does he get special treatment over me, when he's clearly a sock, and he constantly trolls.

As far as the darkside goes, i was always under the impression that there was just..."the force" and how you used it, dictated if it was light or dark. So like, a Jedi isn't limited from performing lightning, they just don't do it being as its not in their nature, most notably, Yoda must know how to do it if he can redirect it then absorb it. Which also means, if a Sith needed to heal or protect themselves, they would in fact be able to do so, since its just "the force". I don't know if i articulated that the way I'm thinking it, but hopefully it came out right.

Well gee, seeing as he taught her, he would have been able to limit her teachings so he would always stay a step ahead of her, and always keep her under control. Really, brainpower is useful.

Of course he did that, lol. The point is, how would that have been such a major factor in what he did, when the "obvious" answer is that his power simply excelled hers. So, prove that Malak would not fall victim to that same attack. 🙂

Nope, the reasoning is fine. The darkside only really excels when used destructively (like Dooku did), not for healing or protecting yourself, thus the increase would work much better for Dooku than it would Assaj.

No. Shadows of the Empire makes it clear that Vader was able to partially heal and regenerate from his wounds on Mustafar using the dark side of the Force - his hatred. That pretty much just wasted your argument.

Wrong! I expect more from you Gideon. Read over what I've been saying, I'm not doing the same thing that Sexy is doing. Again, brainpower is useful.

I have, lol. Rex, Sexy, and myself all consider you to be inept, deceptive (though you fail miserably), and hypocritical.

When quoting me like a b1tch, at least get it correct.

Lmao, of course.

Wrong! I'm constantly bringing new things up, Lightsnake and Glentract especially do this.

[Planet] Wrong! Waaa! [/Planet]

Unlike what Lightsnake and Glentract "have brought up", your submissions are pretty much worthless. Sorry to break it to you.

1. She comes up with many original arguments despite that, such as her Kyle Katarn one.

Again, since she "borrowed" it, she must be unoriginal. Not.

2. She hardly copied your argument Escape, she added to it, and improved it, and argued it, much more effectively.

[Planet] Wrong! Prove it! Waaa! [/Planet]

Of course he did that, lol. The point is, how would that have been such a major factor in what he did, when the "obvious" answer is that his power simply excelled hers. So, prove that Malak would not fall victim to that same attack.

1. Malak is far stronger in the force than Assaj, and clearly above Dooku too.

2. Dooku would not be receiving the power boost that he did from Vjun.

No. Shadows of the Empire makes it clear that Vader was able to partially heal and regenerate from his wounds on Mustafar using the dark side of the Force - his hatred. That pretty much just wasted your argument.

No, it didn't. I never said that it was impossible to heal and protect yourself through the darkside, I was just saying that the dark side only excels when used offensively, so the boost would be much more beneficial to Dooku than it would be to Assaj, as in this scenario, she would be using the force to defend herself.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
As far as the darkside goes, i was always under the impression that there was just..."the force" and how you used it, dictated if it was light or dark. So like, a Jedi isn't limited from performing lightning, they just don't do it being as its not in their nature, most notably, Yoda must know how to do it if he can redirect it then absorb it. Which also means, if a Sith needed to heal or protect themselves, they would in fact be able to do so, since its just "the force". I don't know if i articulated that the way I'm thinking it, but hopefully it came out right.

No you articulated it fine, the thing is, when using the darkside, it only excels when used offensively, PoD makes this clear.

1. Malak is far stronger in the force than Assaj, and clearly above Dooku too.

[Planet] No! Wrong! Prove it! Waa! [/Planet]

2. Dooku would not be receiving the power boost that he did from Vjun.

Again, who said it was just from the power boost? Assaj is a dark side user as well, and a potent one. She would have inherited the same "power boost" that Dooku did.

No, it didn't. I never said that it was impossible to heal and protect yourself through the darkside, I was just saying that the dark side only excels when used offensively, so the boost would be much more beneficial to Dooku than it would be to Assaj, as in this scenario, she would be using the force to defend herself. [/B]

Again: not impossible. And considering how Vader was able to partially heal medically irreversible damage to his body, I don't see why Assaj wouldn't be capable of doing the same thing - unless Dooku's own power eclipses hers (which is the same scenario with Malak).

can you provide the quote? Not meaning that as in i don't believe you, just want to hear how its stated.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
can you provide the quote? Not meaning that as in i don't believe you, just want to hear how its stated.

Considering how constant he exaggerates in favor of his characters and arguments, that's a wise decision.

For all its power, the dark side was weak in defending yourself and the healing arts.

The point, Escape, is that the dark side is used more effectively when used offensively, so the power boost for Assaj wouldn't have been as beneficial as it would have been for Dooku.

Originally posted by Sexyback
For all its power, the dark side was weak in defending yourself and the healing arts.

The point, Escape, is that the dark side is used more effectively when used offensively, so the power boost for Assaj wouldn't have been as beneficial as it would have been for Dooku.

We know that this is not the case, sadly. Much like the whole Vaapad incident, it would seem that the author is very much attempting to conflict with prior accepted canon. Vader - didn't you say "he sucks"? - was able to make outrageous progress with his wounds from Mustafar through sheer hatred, concentration, and likely technique taught from Sidious. And he wasn't a Sith master, or a master of the dark side on par with Sidious.

Defending one's self? You may have a point. In healing arts? No, you don't. Again: prove that Malak will be able to resist such an attack.

We know that this is not the case, sadly. Much like the whole Vaapad incident, it would seem that the author is very much attempting to conflict with prior accepted canon. Vader - didn't you say "he sucks"? - was able to make outrageous progress with his wounds from Mustafar through sheer hatred, concentration, and likely technique taught from Sidious. And he wasn't a Sith master, or a master of the dark side on par with Sidious.

1. Even if your argument was correct, it wouldn't actually affect the relevant argument, as healing has nothing to do with the Assaj-Dooku incident, only defence against the force.

2. I never said vader sucked in the force.

3. What you don't seem to get is that I never said it was impossible for a sith to heal themselves, or even impossible for them to do so effectively, but as good as they are at doing it, they'll only be better at using the force offensively.

: prove that Malak will be able to resist such an attack.

You're ridiculous. I can just switch it around, and ask you to prove that Dooku can defend against what Malak did to those two jedi. The fact is, those two incidents are the most impressive displays of the force we have seen from either of them, and Malak's feat is more impressive, therefor it's logical to come to the conclusion that Malak is more powerful with the force, and that's sufficient evidence to say that Dooku wouldn't be able to tool him with the force like he did Assaj. So I'm sorry, but you fail.

No. Bringing a powerful Force user to their knees with the lift of a finger is far more potent than anything Malak did when empowered by the Star Forge.

Sorry, you fail. Period.

1. Dooku did the feat on Vjun, where his powers were increased.

2. Dooku was Assaj's master, he had taught her everything about the darkside, logic points to him wanting to limit what he taught her so he would always be a step above her, and so he would be able to keep her under control, he clearly would have known her weaknesses.

3. Since when was Assaj ever an above average force user?

4. Malak's feat itself is more impressive anyway; lifting two jedi up while choking them, and blasting one with lightning whilst chucking his lightsaber into the other.

5. The jedi Malak tooled must have been very powerful; Vandar stated that only the best knights available were being sent there, and to make it as far as they did is very impressive, they fought through most of the SF.

6. YOU FAIL!!

Lmao. Sure... 🙂

You can sit here all day and say Malak's feat was more impressive. But that just doesn't cut it... especially when he was empowered by the Star Forge in the first place. Those two Jedi aren't as strong as Assaj, so... yeah.

[Planet] You fail! [/Planet] ... just doesn't cut it, man.