Originally posted by Gideon
Please. Saying that Malak will not go down fast because Sidious didn't is pathetic. Sidious > Malak. Just because Sidious went down with difficulty does not mean that Malak will give Mace a hard time.
Their is no proof that Mace can defend against a Drain attack.
Originally posted by Gideon
No. Obi-Wan was considered a master swordsmen. Period. Mace said so, and it was his whole argument for sending him after General Grievous - who managed to survive a duel with Mace himself, and who was more than a match for the vast majority of the Jedi at the time. Use common sense: because Obi-Wan is skilled with Soresu (and a master of it), he has mastered a legitimate lightsaber form. People who have mastered lightsaber form are "master swordsmen". Some are more than others.
Mace send him because he clearly said that he needs someone with more experience. Obi-Wan was indeed more experienced then Anakin and Grevious was not an easy challenge to handle.
Being master of "Soresu" does not makes you a master swordsman, unless you are very good in an offensive Saber Form. A master swordsman should be good at both defensive and offensive fighting styles.
Malak was more of master swordsman then him.
Originally posted by Gideon
Wrong. Obi-Wan considered Qui-Gon to be on par with most of the Council members. Just because he got "pawned" by Maul is irrelevent - Maul is a highly skilled combatant and warrior.
Originally posted by Gideon
Great! Malak is excellent at offensive attack. That's brilliant. So was Anakin (who was more powerful than Dooku) - and he couldn't breach Obi-Wan's defense. What makes you think Malak is going to? 🙄
And please! don't bring Obi-Wan vs Anakin showdown in this case. We all know very well that why Anakin failed in that fight.
Malak's offensive abilities are excellent. He was known to recklessly charge in to fights and win.
And Obi-Wan will loose to Malak because Malak has demonstrated more Force moves then Dooku. I have already mentioned some of the impressive things that Malak has demonstrated. Obi-Wan is not even close.
Originally posted by Gideon
He performed several impressive physical feats in Shatterpoint - facing off against Kar Vastor (who possessed raw power on par with Yoda in the jungles of Koruun Hal). And, please. People survive amputated limbs all the time. Guess you've never watched an episode of Star Wars. Just because Malak survived the loss of his jaw means jack. Anakin lost all of his limbs and survived. Big friggen whoop.
Originally posted by Gideon
Strength =/= power. Sidious is more powerful than Mace, but no where near as strong. Strength (coupled with speed, mind you) means that you're more likely to win a damn saber lock. You have yet to prove that Malak > Mace in strength.
Originally posted by Gideon
No, Anakin surviving his wounds is impressive. Malak lost a jaw, which as far as I'm concerned, is about as impressive as Luke losing his hand.
Loosing an entire Jaw is much more painful then loosing a hand. Cut your Jaw out and you will be dead instantly. But cut your hand out and you would survive. Their is hell of a difference between these two wounds.
Originally posted by Gideon
Sorry! Not really caring.
I doubt the malak would be able to drain mace windu, and since this isnt a powerful version im sure mace can hold up resistance.
And malak will only be able to strike with the force once they are far apart, not during a duel and dont forget mace windu has a dark side power : force crush which malak doesnt have a shield to block.
In swordplay alone malak may be good with the saber but we dont know his form and we do know vaapad triumphs over dark siders
Originally posted by Kadesh
I doubt the malak would be able to drain mace windu, and since this isnt a powerful version im sure mace can hold up resistance.And malak will only be able to strike with the force once they are far apart, not during a duel and dont forget mace windu has a dark side power : force crush which malak doesnt have a shield to block.
In swordplay alone malak may be good with the saber but we dont know his form and we do know vaapad triumphs over dark siders
Drain attack is something that cannot be deflected back. It drains the life out of an individual. We are not sure that how Mace will do against this kind of attack.
Another problem is that we don't know that this is SF powered Malak or not. The thread starter never indicated on this.
And you are right that Vaapad will give Mace the ultimate edge in combat. Mace will win.
What I am actually saying is that Malak will not be an easy challenge but some are trying to say that Mace will easily destroy Malak, which is not true.
Vaapad is made to reflect dark side power? LOL.. Since when? I guess that means Mace will throw Kun's amulet blast back at him, Nihilus' force drain, a force crush/force choke.. Oh but he was losing his grip on Sidious force lightning. Right lightsnake. Next, explain to me how Vaapad which reflects a saber form, reflects dark side power. In fact show me a source other than bullshit.
Originally posted by General Kenobl
Yes but there must be a limit to Vapaad. If the Dark Side power is too overwhelming for the user of Vapaad, then he would be unable to create the superconducting loop, otherwise as Sexy has put it, Windu can reflect almost any Dark Side technique.
Exactly lightsnake. It doesn't DEFLECT all darkside power, it deflects whatever Mace is strong enough to deflect. You're not going to see Mace reflect a Force Storm with his Vaapad, nor a Kun amulet blast, nor many other techniques, so it's pointless to use this in an argument and claim it can do anything.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm sorry, is there another word for a superconducting loop that redirects dark side energy?And btw: A force storm is not a straight blast of energy, try a smart example
Do you know that how Drain works? It is not like Force Lightning or something that can be deflected.
It starts draining the life of an individual.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm sorry, is there another word for a superconducting loop that redirects dark side energy?And btw: A force storm is not a straight blast of energy, try a smart example
But lightsnake, you just said it can repel any darkside attacks. SO which one is it, before I try a "smart" example.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
Sure: Vaapad, as stated, forms a superconducting loop between the two combatants. As exemplified with Palpatine and the lightning
This is your proof that Vaapad can stop all direct force attacks? Wow, I think I'll go with the more logical deduction of Mace being able to stop something that's not more powerful than himself. Aka he won't be able to stop a force drain..