Darth Malak vs. Mace Windu

Originally posted by Lightsnake
You have an irritating habit of demonizing and running for cover.

Read Shatterpoint and the ROTS novelization. There's nothing more to say

You have an irritating habit of arguing the truth and exaggerating whatever you're a fan of. Obi wan blocks Dooku's lightning in AOTC. Saying "The PT Jedi own" has no bearing on Malak vs. Mace. Saying Mace's vaapad can block all dark side techniques makes no sense. The end. You have no point. Stop crying about it too, otherwise I will treat you like I treat Planet/Nebaris.

Where does Obi-wan re-direct the lightning?
Where the hell are you misinterpreting me? Vaapad forms a loop between the other contender and Mace, effectively redirecting their powers

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Where does Obi-wan re-direct the lightning?
Where the hell are you misinterpreting me? Vaapad forms a loop between the other contender and Mace, effectively redirecting their powers

Did you miss the part where Obi Wan blocks the lightning with his saber? Or did you ignore it? Also, you said Mace's Vaapad can block direct dark side attacks. It held off force lightning for a bit, but since when does blocking attack X entail blocking attack Y, especially something like a force drain, or a force choke. Stop using Vaapad as justification for absolutely nothing.

He BLOCKED IT. He did not REDIRECT it, there are two VERY different things...

What exactly does it matter lightsnake? What is your point?

You're seriously missing it?

Sexy, I disagree.

Vaapad is a super conductive loop. It is able to turn dark side energy into a weapon for Mace to use. That is how Mace circumvented Sidious's lightning to attack him; and Sidious kept generating it by feeding the lightning with the pain of being blasted.

Mace was in no danger of being electrocuted, however. The only danger he was in was that Sidious was sufficiently powerful enough to force (no pun intended) Mace's own lightsaber back in his face.

It is possible, as I said before, that Mace may be the hardest opponent for a dark side user to face other than Luke or Sidious himself. And Lightsnake is also correct, Mace's strength very well seems to surpass Malak's own - he's performed feats that not even Grievous can replicate. Malak has not been seen punching a guy as hard or as fast as Mace can.

Mace's style is deadlier than Malak's own - it is the deadliest. Mace has no defense against it, and he can't replicate or defeat Shatterpoint.

Malak's not going to win.

Yes, I'm missing your point about how Mace>Malak because the PT Jedi are as a whole better than the KOTOR Jedi, and how Mace's Vaapad can supposedly block all dark side techniques, or at least the specific ones you claim.

That was never my complete argument.
The entire point of Vaapad is Mace is able to redirect and channel Dark Side energy

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
What exactly does it matter lightsnake? What is your point?

What Obi-Wan did and what Mace did are two completely different things. Obi-Wan "blocked" and "absorbed" Count Dooku's Force lightning. Mace can "block", "absorb", and then "redirect" dark side powers - like Yoda did with Count Dooku's lightning. Mace can do this thanks to Vaapad. Obi-Wan is not trained in Vaapad, he can't redirect dark side energy.

Originally posted by Gideon
Sexy, I disagree.

Vaapad is a super conductive loop. It is able to turn dark side energy into a weapon for Mace to use. That is how Mace circumvented Sidious's lightning to attack him; and Sidious kept generating it by feeding the lightning with the pain of being blasted.

Mace was in no danger of being electrocuted, however. The only danger he was in was that Sidious was sufficiently powerful enough to force (no pun intended) Mace's own lightsaber back in his face.

It is possible, as I said before, that Mace may be [B]the hardest opponent for a dark side user to face other than Luke or Sidious himself. And Lightsnake is also correct, Mace's strength very well seems to surpass Malak's own - he's performed feats that not even Grievous can replicate. Malak has not been seen punching a guy as hard or as fast as Mace can.

Mace's style is deadlier than Malak's own - it is the deadliest. Mace has no defense against it, and he can't replicate or defeat Shatterpoint.

Malak's not going to win. [/B]

My argument isn't whether or not Malak is going to win, because we know he's not. My argument is how lightsnake comes to that conclusion adding the "PT Jedi own", and stating Mace can block/deflect all dark side techniques back. I don't see you sitting there and arguing that Mace can deflect a force drain, or at least one on the level of Nihilus, or Kun's amulet blasts.

I really wish those overrated amulet blasts would go away, or at least show a scene where they're totally useless on a Jedi Master or Sith Lord

Do you even understand the nature of the amulet blasts lightsnake, or is that more anti KOTOR bias? I won't even get into your ridiculous speculation.

FFS, just because they're used to make the Gary Stu more speshul doesn't mean theyr'e unbeatable and if authors didn't try to ignore KJA's idiocy, they'd be renedered defunct long back.

You've no idea how other people in the setting really, really dislike KJA.

Originally posted by Gideon
What Obi-Wan did and what Mace did are two completely different things. Obi-Wan "blocked" and "absorbed" Count Dooku's Force lightning. Mace can "block", "absorb", and then "redirect" dark side powers - like Yoda did with Count Dooku's lightning. Mace can do this thanks to Vaapad. Obi-Wan is not trained in Vaapad, he can't redirect dark side energy.

Sexy, read this, please. And you two should appreciate Christmas and be nice for one night. 😛 I'm off to watch Bad Santa.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
FFS, just because they're used to make the Gary Stu more speshul doesn't mean theyr'e unbeatable and if authors didn't try to ignore KJA's idiocy, they'd be renedered defunct long back.

You've no idea how other people in the setting really, really dislike KJA.

Who cares what people think of KJA lightsnake? I think you REALLY should snap back into reality and concentrate more on it, than on what people think of what author who made up what story. Everyone has their own opinions and your speculations are nothing more but KOTOR hatred.

We're JEwish

Originally posted by Gideon
Sexy, read this, please. And you two should appreciate Christmas and be nice for one night. 😛 I'm off to watch Bad Santa.

Yes, we're Jewish Escape, but that's ok, nobody's perfect🙂

I swear most Jewish people celebrate Christmas anyway?

No, we prefer to stay away from pagan holidays.