Originally posted by JustFrame
You have proven absolutely nothing on your side besides your opinion of "I think Ken is cooler" comments.
* although, Ken is really far cooler than Ryu, i did not even include that in my argument... stop saying nonsense... i think you're just really insecure...
Originally posted by JustFrame
If I'm a fanboy for saying so then I guess that makes me a Capcom Fanboy.
* you exaggerated Ryu's win record over Ken, you did not even know how many fights they have... you have made Ryu a god... you are a Ryu fanboy...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Also, please don't try to derail this into a "You think V. Ken is cooler then E. Ryu" debate. That's immaturity right there, from Post #1, I've clearly stated to you, and to everyone here that Dark Ryu is vastly more powerful then Violent Ken.
* how? if it's storywise, both characters do not exist... if it's gameplay-wise, both characters can beat each other, depending how good the player is...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ryu is utilizing the full potential of Ansatsuken, meaning he would be utilizing abilities that would be almost on par with Gouki.
* Gouki is utilizing full Ansatsuken... both Ryu and Ken do not... they are trained by Gouken an Ansatsuken without the killing techniques... please don't put Ryu on the pedestal again and again, and say you're not a Ryu fanboy...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ken is NOT utilizing anything,
* 😱 what an idiotic statement...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Violent Ken is merely a Ken who is being controlled. His abilities are not so vastly different that he becomes an absolute walking phenom that Dark Ryu becomes.
Originally posted by JustFrame
Again, where is the fanboy notion? I simply don't see it, just stating out the facts.
* where's the fanboy notion? you tell me... 😆
Originally posted by JustFrame
Yet this fanboy (Pointing at me) is the only one who has posted up real canon reasons why Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>Ken. Unlike someone I know here.
* someone i know here makes Ryu a god and he does not even notices it... and even denies it... what a loser...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Right...that's why you said that Ryu was really, trying to defend and doing his best right? Want me to quote you on it?
* yeah, i did not say Ryu was fighting back but he was still trying to defend himself... quote me, and prove how poor your reading comprehension is... "fighting back" and "defending" are two different things...
Originally posted by JustFrame
My goodness, your unbelievable sometimes, and btw, the Ken there was no different then the Ken before he was mind controlled mind...and yeah, guess who was the one that was able to actually do something on Bison...yeah...Ryu.
* Ryu cannot do anything on Bison by himself... Ryu would be choked to death if Ken did not intervene...
Originally posted by JustFrame
When I said natural talent is garbage was from your statement saying that Ken had natural talent "thus" the reason why he was as good as Ryu. Then you said that the only reason why "Ryu" is better is because Ken had a family while Ryu trains all day.
* so, in your opinion, Ken's natural talent is garbage, while Ryu's natural talent is not... wow...
Originally posted by JustFrame
You where wrong, I made it very clear to you, that Ryu was stomping on Ken's face ever since they started learning under Gouken. So since Day #1, it's been Ryu>>>>>>>>>>Ken.
* pure fanboyism... prove it...
Originally posted by JustFrame
So simply put, although Ken loses out to Ryu almost always, he can still pretty much almost own everyone else.
* this is unbelievable... with words like "almost always" and "far better" and "vastly powerful", no one would ever think you are a Ryu fanboy... 😐
Originally posted by JustFrame
Read the Street Fighter Canon Guide, it's educational, or are you just simply refusing to not read it? Maybe that's why you keep calling me a fanboy, lol.
* can you please give us the URL of the website, oh great lover of Ryu?
Originally posted by JustFrame
How did Ryu cheat? Did he use some cheatcode to make him overcome Sagat? Yes, Ryu struck Sagat when he was lending out a hand, yeah, a cheap shot, but cheating?
cheap shot
1. a covert, unsportsmanlike, and illegal act of deliberate roughness, esp. in football, often calculated to injure an opponent.
2. any mean or unsportsmanlike remark or action, esp. one directed at a defenseless or vulnerable person.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=cheap%20shot
* yeah, right... cheapshot is not cheating... 😐
Originally posted by JustFrame
Please man, Ryu still had to contend with stronger opponents then what Ken was facing at the US Karate Tournament. Ryu was able to stand toe to toe with Sagat, something that nearly 95% of the SF cast cannot do, besides the Super Elites.
* heck... Nash and other unpopular SF characters have participated in US tourney... i repeat, i did not compare SF and US tourneys... i just said there are also good fighters in US tourney... don't you get it? or are really having hard time understanding my posts?
Originally posted by JustFrame
Should I start calling Ken's win a cheat win too? Since Ryu was more concerned about Satsu-No-Hadou then confronting Ken?
* Ken's win over Ryu is a clean one, no cheating involved... now tell me, was Ryu's win over Sagat, clean?
Originally posted by JustFrame
You where trying to say that "Ken is just as good, because the competition in the Karate Tournament was just as fierce." Completely False.
* i am trying to say what? stop putting words on my mouth...
Originally posted by JustFrame
[B]OFFICIAL STATEMENTS READ BELOW"He wears a red gi because when he trained with Ryu under Gouken, he saw
that Ryu was better so he wanted to stand out more and took on a red gi."Taken from Ken's SF Canon Guide Profile
End of Debate, you fail.[/B]
* against the official statements of Capcom i read: "the red outfit was trademarked to Ken not to stand out from Ryu, but to stand out from everybody else and to reflect Ken's flashy style of fighting"
* what i read was more believable and reasonable...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ryu did not rig the win over Sagat, even Sagat has claimed it to be a defeat on him against Ryu. So no, you are wrong, it's just atrocious for you to ride on this notion, when everyone on there has stated Ryu bested Sagat.
* i never said the fight was rigged by Ryu... just do not remove the fact that Ryu won by a cheapshot... hence, Ryu cheated...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Not a "clean" win, but still a win, much like how Ken defeated Ryu, not a "clean" win, but still a win regardless.
* Ken did not cheat to win...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Indeed, they are eternal rivals, however being rivals doesn't always mean "we are equal". It has been clear from Capcom's statements that it's been Ryu>>>>>>>>>>Ken majority of the times. Since Day #1...how many times do I have to tell you this.
* a rival is a person that can equal or outdo the other... why don't you create your own dictionary?
Originally posted by JustFrame
That should be pretty crystal clear to you, and please, if you bring up Sagat vs Ryu again, I'll just laugh. Considering again, if it was Ken vs Sagat...Ken would have gotten completely destroyed by Sagat, considering Ryu barely won, even though he was above Ken.
* oh, c'mon, man... can't you just admit that Sagat destroyed Ryu? Sagat, the defending champion, crushed Ryu, and then extended his hand to help Ryu up after thinking that he had won. Ryu was so consumed with the desire to win that he gave into the Satsui no Hadou and executed a Metsu Shoryuken, scarring Sagat's chest and his pride... blab all you want, Ryu cheated...
Originally posted by JustFrame
I never, not once stated that Ken did not beat Ryu, because Ken has actually achieved this. However, what I do say is this...Ryu is the far better, more stronger and better fighter then Ken.
* so Ryu is an idiot now? being defeated by someone weaker and worse fighter than him?
Originally posted by JustFrame
How are these "fanboy" remarks, when Capcom has officially, remember, officially stated it so? You tell me, if anything, your the fanboy. Going on talking about how Violent Ken is "just as good" as Dark Ryu.
* based on the game, yes... Violent Ken is as good or even better than Evil Ryu... you're just too stubborn to admit it...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Get out of here man, Sagat did not destroy Ryu, he only had an upper hand.
* read your Canon Guide again, fanboy... Sagat destroyed Ryu... Sagat knew the fight is over, he offered a hand, Ryu cheapshot him...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Your a complete walking contradiction now, Ryu and Ken are rivals yes, but that doesn't remove the fact that it's still Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ken.
* i would not be surprised if i see a hundred >'s next time...
Originally posted by JustFrame
LOL...right, guys like Tomo Ohira, the greatest SFII Player of All Time who won 150+ Tournaments at a time when the competition for SFII was at it's absolute peak and competitive drive.He only took 2nd place 4 times, and the rest where all 1st place finishes.
What about Daigo Umehara...you know, the guy who beasted Justin Wong another SF great during Evolution 2004...yeah...he must be a dumb player too right?
Oh wait...what about guys like Alex Valle, or the Wolfe Bros, or the japanese players like Kuni and Nuki, etc, etc.
Yes...all of these guys who play SF on the competitive lvl, that I've myself played more then once before in my lifetime..yep...these guys must be "dumb players right".
* those players have different views than you... don't put words on their mouths as well... they might have more sense, not as dumb and narrow-minded as you though...
Originally posted by JustFrame
A players abilities can only go so far...you mean to tell me that someone like Sean in SFIII:3S who has crappy hit-confirms, crappy Super Arts, horrible options is just as good as someone like Yun. Who with Genei-Jin can destroy you for nearly half your life with a single hit-confirm from Genei-Jin.Or that T.Hawk in ST has as many options as someone like Balrog who can mix up throw option you to death, or high/low mixups, with a powerful rushdown game, not to mention the best super in the entire game.
* i know many players that can beat your Ryu using Sean or Yun anywhere, anytime... your comments are nothing...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Please man, you have no idea what you are speaking too. The mere fact that you say "It's all about the player not the character" tells me every notion that you have never played a serious tournament in your life.
* you have no idea... we don't even know each other...
Originally posted by JustFrame
If it was all about "characters" skills...why aren't more top Ryu players placing in the top 8? Why is it always dominated by Yun, Chun, and Ken?
* they are easier to use and master...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Plain and simple, these three characters have far more advantages over the other characters.
* true... but that is not an excuse to exaggerate Ryu over and over again...
Originally posted by peejayd
* although, Ken is really far cooler than Ryu, i did not even include that in my argument... stop saying nonsense... i think you're just really insecure...
To who is cooler is only preference, considering in the Asian Countries, Ryu is more liked then Ken, while in countries like the US, it is actually quite even, however slightly more towards Ken simply because his lifestyle is more intuned with ours.
However the Asian Culture loves Ryu's form of commitment and continued focus on his goals. He is the embodiment to them of what a hard worker is.
Again, preference, and please, stop trying to say I'm insecure, if anything, you need to set your priorities right instead of trying to attack people.
Originally posted by peejayd
* you exaggerated Ryu's win record over Ken, you did not even know how many fights they have... you have made Ryu a god... you are a Ryu fanboy...
I never not once exaggerated Ryu's prowess over Ken. Ken has stated Ryu>>>>>Ken even from their earliest of times. Ryu is clearly the better fighter over Ken. I have said this since Day #1.
However you went off running your mouth about how V. Ken>>> D. Ryu...which is complete and utter garbage. Trying to say things like "Ken is faster" yadi yada...what the heck?
That's simply not true.
Ryu is a far stronger, more powerful and more gifted fighter then Ken, simple as thought, it's been proven in the storyline and shouldn't be argued.
Ryu is far from a God, there are still a few characters who are well above him, and he's only as strong as other characters such as Sagat. Over exaggeration? Get out of here.
I've stated these since Day #1.
Originally posted by peejayd
* how? if it's storywise, both characters do not exist... if it's gameplay-wise, both characters can beat each other, depending how good the player is...
False, you've never played tournament high lvl SF therefore you run by this notion. Yes, if a well established player vs. a player who has little to zero knowledge of how to play the game, then the established player will win 99 times out of a 100, if not 100 out of a 100.
However, if you get players of equal skill who understand the game of SF and play against one another. Have one pick Ryu and the other pick Ken in a game say like Hyper Fighting. You'll see a big advantage that Ryu will have over Ken.
Much like how in 3S, Ken has a distinct advantage over Ryu why? Ken has better options in that game then Ryu does. While in Hyper Fighting, Ryu has better options then Ken does.
A Players ability can only go so far.
Originally posted by peejayd
* Gouki [b]is utilizing full Ansatsuken... both Ryu and Ken do not... they are trained by Gouken an Ansatsuken without the killing techniques... please don't put Ryu on the pedestal again and again, and say you're not a Ryu fanboy...[/B]
Ryu would have been utilizing the full force of Ansatsuken, are you a fool or what? Didn't Ryu strike Sagat with a Metsu-Shoryuken??? Was he ever taught how to do this by Gouken??????????
My point exactly, Ryu would have been utilizing the full form of Ansatsuken by having the killing intent as well.
Ryu and Ken being taught a "toned down" version of Ansatsuken has nothing about them being taught a "weaker" form. The toned down form simply means A NON-KILLING INTENT FORM
For crying out loud, try to not get that mixed up. Dark Ryu would have been a Ryu utilizing the full form of Ansatsuken.
Originally posted by peejayd
* 😱 what an idiotic statement...
Nothing that sets him on par with Dark Ryu...please try to keep it about the debate, if you continue to call me out like this, I'll have you reported.
Originally posted by peejayd
* where's the fanboy notion? you tell me... 😆
Considering SNK has confirmed this notion that V. Ken is no different from Bison Controlled Ken from SFII:AM wouldn't that actually make you the fanboy for arguing with me about how V. Ken>>>D. Ryu?
Oh yes, I believe so.
Originally posted by peejayd
* someone i know here makes Ryu a god and he does not even notices it... and even denies it... what a loser...
How am I making Ryu a God? Tell me? Simply because I stated Storyline Wise Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>Ken?
Please man, if I'm wrong on that notion, then prove it to me, instead of one liners that go "Your a fanboy".
Again, your doing nothing but trolling, storyline wise it's been Ryu>>>>Ken, live with it, it's been confirmed by Capcom, so how's that fanboy remarks?
Originally posted by peejayd
* yeah, i did not say Ryu was fighting back but he was still trying to defend himself... quote me, and prove how poor your reading comprehension is... "fighting back" and "defending" are two different things...
Umm, you said, Ryu was trying his best...remember here his best. Now your trying to fun off and say something different.
Case and point, to end it all, Ryu was not trying to defeat Ken, simple answer.
Stop talking about this, I proved you wrong on this already, let's move on.
Originally posted by peejayd
* Ryu cannot do anything on Bison by himself... Ryu would be choked to death if Ken did not intervene...
Both would have gotten destroyed had Bison of utilized his full abilities. However that was absolutely not the case, and yes, Ryu was STILL the only one to be able to connect a whole string on Bison.
Ken cannot say that...SFII:AM Ryu>>>Ken as well btw.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so, in your opinion, Ken's natural talent is garbage, while Ryu's natural talent is not... wow...
Good Grief just READ MY POST MAN, did I not say that Ken would be able to defeat 80% of the SF Cast for free? Yes, I believe I did say that.
So what if Ken loses out to Ryu? Your the one sitting here trying to say Ken ='s Ryu, not me. Yet I know storyline wise, it's Ryu>>>Ken, that is canon, and true.
Ken is obviously naturally talented (I have stated this numerous times before, however you just failed to read it) however he is not, and I repeat, not on par with someone like Ryu.
Ryu is just naturally better, as proven by Ken's own statements.
Originally posted by peejayd
* can you please give us the URL of the website, oh great lover of Ryu?
Go to Google Type in "Street Fighter Canon Guide" read it and become educated...I posted this to you numerous times before already...
Originally posted by peejayd
cheap shot
1. a covert, unsportsmanlike, and illegal act of deliberate roughness, esp. in football, often calculated to injure an opponent.
2. any mean or unsportsmanlike remark or action, esp. one directed at a defenseless or vulnerable person.http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=cheap%20shot
* yeah, right... cheapshot is not cheating... 😐
LMAO...in a Street Fight match up, where groan shots, back head strikes, and even killing if it where to occur is all fair game. Your a complete joke man.
This isn't some tournament under a referee and rules, this is a Street Fight, where ANYTHING HAPPENS. Live With It, Ryu won.
Originally posted by peejayd
* heck... Nash and other unpopular SF characters have participated in US tourney... i repeat, i did not compare SF and US tourneys... i just said there are also good fighters in US tourney... don't you get it? or are really having hard time understanding my posts?
By trying to say "There where good fighters in the US tourney" you basically where trying to say what Ken did was "just as good" in achievements as what Ryu did.
Absolutely false, considering if you take the competition Ryu competed against. Pure and Simple, winning the US tournament is not on the same caliber is winning a SF tournament.
Originally posted by peejayd
* Ken's win over Ryu is a clean one, no cheating involved... now tell me, was Ryu's win over Sagat, clean?
It wasn't cheating, I don't understand why you continue with this. Ryu won by a cheapshot, yes, however in a Street Fight, Sagat knew full well that anything goes.
Ryu's win I agree with not a pure head to head win, over Sagat. However, he struck Sagat down, and got the win.
Ken's win is a win as well, regardless if Ryu was into the full fight or not. Both of these wins where not full wins. Why do you think Ken wanted a decisive victory against Ryu before he married Eliza.
Oh..that's right, because his first win, wasn't a decisive one...gotcha...please, stop the hate.
Ryu won over Sagat
Ken won over Ryu
We get it, quit your whining.
Originally posted by peejayd
* against the official statements of Capcom i read: "the red outfit was trademarked to Ken not to stand out from Ryu, but to stand out from everybody else and to reflect Ken's flashy style of fighting"* what i read was more believable and reasonable...
You read the USA modified/NON-CANON VERSION of Capcom. The Real Storyline of Street Fighter derives from Japan of Capcom, please do NOT get the two mixed.
That's why you are running with the notion of Evil Ryu, because US Capcom decided to make this notion. In fact, US Capcom made it so that Ryu and Ken where taught "Shotokan" yet we all know it was Ansatsuken.
The official statments where what I stated from Ken's profile. Live with it, you where wrong.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i never said the fight was rigged by Ryu... just do not remove the fact that Ryu won by a cheapshot... hence, Ryu cheated...
Ryu did not cheat, good gracious, your becoming foolish now with this remark. Capcom officially stated "cheapshot", and did not say Ryu won by "cheating". Cheating is utilizing something/outside source to your advantage.
Ryu did NONE of this, all he did was strike Sagat when he felt that the match was over.
That is not cheating, that's a cheap shot, heck yes, but cheating...you've got to be kidding me now. Lay off this notion already, we all know it was a cheapshot, however it still doesn't take away the fact that Ryu stomped Ken before he went to the SF1 Tournament.
Originally posted by peejayd
* a rival is a person that can equal or outdo the other... why don't you create your own dictionary?
Ken can fight well up against Ryu simply because the two have trained under one another. However, this does not stop the fact that Ryu has been Ken far more then what Ken has beaten Ryu.
That's a clear cut fact, being a Rival doesn't always neccessarily mean you are both exactly EQUAL. Ken is not equal to Ryu, otherwise wouldn't you think they would be standing within the same tier then storyline wise?
Hmm, oh yeah, Ken is one tier lower. Yes, still Rivals, but Ryu is still better.
Originally posted by peejayd
* oh, c'mon, man... can't you just admit that Sagat destroyed Ryu? Sagat, the defending champion, crushed Ryu, and then extended his hand to help Ryu up after thinking that he had won. Ryu was so consumed with the desire to win that he gave into the Satsui no Hadou and executed a Metsu Shoryuken, scarring Sagat's chest and his pride... blab all you want, Ryu cheated...
Read my statements above, I'm not going to repeat myself...you argued this fact like 10x in your post, making it a horrible post to having to reply too.
Lastly, official statements where "Sagat had the upper hand" not "Sagat was destroying Ryu".
Get the facts straight.
Originally posted by peejayd
* so Ryu is an idiot now? being defeated by someone weaker and worse fighter than him?
Ryu being defeated by Ken definetly would not make him an idiot. Because the ONLY SF character who is weaker then Ryu who would have a prayers chance of beating him would be Ken, simply due to Ken's knowledge of fighting Ryu.
Ryu losing to him, doesn't make him weaker, considering Ryu loses to Ken in SFII, but handily defeats him by the time SFIII comes around, and SFIII is a far much stronger Ken then SFII Ken.
Originally posted by peejayd
* based on the game, yes... Violent Ken is as good or even better than Evil Ryu... you're just too stubborn to admit it...
LOL, your so wrong on so many lvls.
Based In-Game Wise....D. Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>V. Ken. Are you kidding me?
D. Ryu has ridiculous damage potential+juggling potential. Not to mention D. Ryu in Alpha 2 has complete and total Access to CC's a.k.a. Custom Combo's, and a Lvl 1 CC with D. Ryu does nearly half-life damage.
Please...for the love of all that is good, do not try to mention "in-game" wise again. Simply because D. Ryu in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 (V-Ism Combos where broken in there, and D. Ryu was Ryu good, but 5x better due to better damage output).
They do not even compare, D. Ryu is much better then V. Ken in-game wise.
Originally posted by peejayd
* read your Canon Guide again, fanboy... Sagat destroyed Ryu... Sagat knew the fight is over, he offered a hand, Ryu cheapshot him...
You obviously aren't reading the official canon guide, Sagat only had an upper hand, he wasn't destroying Ryu...this is like an endless circle, you just won't stop crying about this won't you.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i would not be surprised if i see a hundred >'s next time...
Yet, I have proven you why Ryu is better then Ken. Not once have you done anything to validate your argument.
Originally posted by peejayd
* those players have different views than you... don't put words on their mouths as well... they might have more sense, not as dumb and narrow-minded as you though...
Those players and all I know that certain characters are better then others in-game wise.
That's where we all agree upon, however you do not agree with your statements of "Anyone can win with any character, it's just up to that person".
Wow...please tell that to all of the Sean players...in fact...have you ever heard of a Sean player winning a BIG TOURNAMENT in 3S?
NO.
Originally posted by peejayd
* i know many players that can beat your Ryu using Sean or Yun anywhere, anytime... your comments are nothing...
Then please, tell me who these guys are, I'm holding you to this and calling these people out. Because I want them to come to a Street Fighter Tournaments to PROVE THIS.
We'll see if what your saying is complete garbage or legit. Btw, I'm talking about tournaments like Evolution. We'll see if these guys are as good as you claim them to be.
Originally posted by peejayd
* [b]you have no idea... we don't even know each other...[/B]
It doesn't take to knowing a person to be able to tell if they have high lvl knowledge of competitive Street Fighter gaming.
ANYONE who has played Tournament lvl SF would not state the claim "Anyone can win, it's all up the player" claims.
That's just ridiculous, so please, don't try to act like you know what your talking about here.
Originally posted by peejayd
* they are easier to use and master...
ROFL Yun easier to master???!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA, I've heard it all man. Let's see you try to activate Genei-Jin and try to learn it within a week's worth of practice and see if you can do that to a solid 3S Player.
The ONLY character who's really easy to pick up out of the Top 4 best characters is Chunli. Ken is easy, however his stronger points need a bit of technical execution such as Kara-Shoryu's.
Makoto being #4 in 3S and claimed as "easy to use"...LMAO. She's arguably one of the most technical and demanding characters to use. Reasons why you don't see a whole bunch of Makoto players at the Top-Lvl, because she requires tons of work.
Do not debate this with me again.
Originally posted by peejayd
* true... but that is not an excuse to exaggerate Ryu over and over again...
Storyline-wise and In-Game Wise, I have never, not once exaggerated to you.
I have clearly stated to you, Pre-SF1, Ryu was beating out Ken, reasons why Ken sported the Gi.
Alpha Ken took a win over Ryu, and then had a decisive win in SFII (Not official from Capcom, but must be, because Eliza and Ken got married). Then by the time SFIII comes around, Ryu is beating out Ken.
Ryu is ranked higher then Ken in the Storyline Tier List.
Not to mention, even Ken has made the claim that Ryu is better then himself, and reasons why Ken wore the red gi.
Are these exaggerations? You tell me.
Ryu putting a stomp on Ken Pre-SF1 is true, that's why Ken tried to make himself stand out.
You try to act like as though I made Ryu a God, and yet, I've clearly stated to you that Ryu has indeed lost.
However, how is Ryu exaggerated? He's fought over 10,000 single battles, which puts him on a league far above Ken. Ryu is the chosen one to confront Gouki. Ryu currently is being taught by Oro because he see's that Ryu is the one with the most potential.
Ryu's body was to be the one to contain Bison's soul...
So how are these "exaggerations" when they are all part of the real SF Storyline.
Case and simple fact, Ryu is better then Ken.
You may not like it, because you like Ken more, however for the past few pages, you have done nothing but try and argue a senseless point.
I have told you already, Ken loses to Ryu, however Ken still beats out 80% of the SF cast. How is that NOT GOOD? Yet you just simply cannot seem to let go of the fact that Ryu is just simply better then Ken throughout the storyline of Street Fighter. Get over it man.
Originally posted by JustFrame
To who is cooler is only preference, considering in the Asian Countries, Ryu is more liked then Ken, while in countries like the US, it is actually quite even, however slightly more towards Ken simply because his lifestyle is more intuned with ours.However the Asian Culture loves Ryu's form of commitment and continued focus on his goals. He is the embodiment to them of what a hard worker is.
Again, preference, and please, stop trying to say I'm insecure, if anything, you need to set your priorities right instead of trying to attack people.
I never not once exaggerated Ryu's prowess over Ken. Ken has stated Ryu>>>>>Ken even from their earliest of times. Ryu is clearly the better fighter over Ken. I have said this since Day #1.
However you went off running your mouth about how V. Ken>>> D. Ryu...which is complete and utter garbage. Trying to say things like "Ken is faster" yadi yada...what the heck?
That's simply not true.
Ryu is a far stronger, more powerful and more gifted fighter then Ken, simple as thought, it's been proven in the storyline and shouldn't be argued.
Ryu is far from a God, there are still a few characters who are well above him, and he's only as strong as other characters such as Sagat. Over exaggeration? Get out of here.
I've stated these since Day #1.
False, you've never played tournament high lvl SF therefore you run by this notion. Yes, if a well established player vs. a player who has little to zero knowledge of how to play the game, then the established player will win 99 times out of a 100, if not 100 out of a 100.
However, if you get players of equal skill who understand the game of SF and play against one another. Have one pick Ryu and the other pick Ken in a game say like Hyper Fighting. You'll see a big advantage that Ryu will have over Ken.
Much like how in 3S, Ken has a distinct advantage over Ryu why? Ken has better options in that game then Ryu does. While in Hyper Fighting, Ryu has better options then Ken does.
A Players ability can only go so far.
Ryu would have been utilizing the full force of Ansatsuken, are you a fool or what? Didn't Ryu strike Sagat with a Metsu-Shoryuken??? Was he ever taught how to do this by Gouken??????????
My point exactly, Ryu would have been utilizing the full form of Ansatsuken by having the killing intent as well.
Ryu and Ken being taught a "toned down" version of Ansatsuken has nothing about them being taught a "weaker" form. The toned down form simply means [B]A NON-KILLING INTENT FORM
For crying out loud, try to not get that mixed up. Dark Ryu would have been a Ryu utilizing the full form of Ansatsuken.
Nothing that sets him on par with Dark Ryu...please try to keep it about the debate, if you continue to call me out like this, I'll have you reported.
Considering SNK has confirmed this notion that V. Ken is no different from Bison Controlled Ken from SFII:AM wouldn't that actually make you the fanboy for arguing with me about how V. Ken>>>D. Ryu?
Oh yes, I believe so.
How am I making Ryu a God? Tell me? Simply because I stated Storyline Wise Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>Ken?
Please man, if I'm wrong on that notion, then prove it to me, instead of one liners that go "Your a fanboy".
Again, your doing nothing but trolling, storyline wise it's been Ryu>>>>Ken, live with it, it's been confirmed by Capcom, so how's that fanboy remarks?
Umm, you said, Ryu was trying his best...remember here his best. Now your trying to fun off and say something different.
Case and point, to end it all, Ryu was not trying to defeat Ken, simple answer.
Stop talking about this, I proved you wrong on this already, let's move on.
Both would have gotten destroyed had Bison of utilized his full abilities. However that was absolutely not the case, and yes, Ryu was STILL the only one to be able to connect a whole string on Bison.
Ken cannot say that...SFII:AM Ryu>>>Ken as well btw.
Good Grief just READ MY POST MAN, did I not say that Ken would be able to defeat 80% of the SF Cast for free? Yes, I believe I did say that.
So what if Ken loses out to Ryu? Your the one sitting here trying to say Ken ='s Ryu, not me. Yet I know storyline wise, it's Ryu>>>Ken, that is canon, and true.
Ken is obviously naturally talented (I have stated this numerous times before, however you just failed to read it) however he is not, and I repeat, not on par with someone like Ryu.
Ryu is just naturally better, as proven by Ken's own statements.
Go to Google Type in "Street Fighter Canon Guide" read it and become educated...I posted this to you numerous times before already...
LMAO...in a Street Fight match up, where groan shots, back head strikes, and even killing if it where to occur is all fair game. Your a complete joke man.
This isn't some tournament under a referee and rules, this is a Street Fight, where ANYTHING HAPPENS. Live With It, Ryu won.
By trying to say "There where good fighters in the US tourney" you basically where trying to say what Ken did was "just as good" in achievements as what Ryu did.
Absolutely false, considering if you take the competition Ryu competed against. Pure and Simple, winning the US tournament is not on the same caliber is winning a SF tournament.
It wasn't cheating, I don't understand why you continue with this. Ryu won by a cheapshot, yes, however in a Street Fight, Sagat knew full well that anything goes.
Ryu's win I agree with not a pure head to head win, over Sagat. However, he struck Sagat down, and got the win.
Ken's win is a win as well, regardless if Ryu was into the full fight or not. Both of these wins where not full wins. Why do you think Ken wanted a decisive victory against Ryu before he married Eliza.
Oh..that's right, because his first win, wasn't a decisive one...gotcha...please, stop the hate.
Ryu won over Sagat
Ken won over Ryu
We get it, quit your whining. [/B]
If Dan beat Ryu using the same tactics, would you use that in all Dan arguments?
Originally posted by JustFrame
To who is cooler is only preference, considering in the Asian Countries, Ryu is more liked then Ken, while in countries like the US, it is actually quite even, however slightly more towards Ken simply because his lifestyle is more intuned with ours.However the Asian Culture loves Ryu's form of commitment and continued focus on his goals. He is the embodiment to them of what a hard worker is.
Again, preference, and please, stop trying to say I'm insecure, if anything, you need to set your priorities right instead of trying to attack people.
* who's attacking who? you're the one who gets so touchy when i say something negative about Ryu... i reiterated that i might be picking on Ryu but i'm not picking on you... this debate (if you can call it a debate) will not be personal if you had not been so touchy when it comes to your god, Ryu...
Originally posted by JustFrame
However you went off running your mouth about how V. Ken>>> D. Ryu...which is complete and utter garbage. Trying to say things like "Ken is faster" yadi yada...what the heck?
* Capcom officially stated that gameplay-wise, they have made Ryu slightly stronger than Ken and Ken slightly quicker than Ryu...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ryu is a far stronger, more powerful and more gifted fighter then Ken, simple as thought, it's been proven in the storyline and shouldn't be argued.
* you know what? the Canon guide never mentions anything like that...
Originally posted by JustFrame
False, you've never played tournament high lvl SF therefore you run by this notion. Yes, if a well established player vs. a player who has little to zero knowledge of how to play the game, then the established player will win 99 times out of a 100, if not 100 out of a 100.
* don't give me that crap... i've seen how players from tourneys fight... do not compare yourself with them, they're good but i've seen better... not all who participated or even won there are the best of the best... it's psychological, actually... everyone is afraid to lose because it's very humiliating... i've seen better players in local arcades with nothing to lose but a single coin token...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ryu would have been utilizing the full force of Ansatsuken, are you a fool or what? Didn't Ryu strike Sagat with a Metsu-Shoryuken??? Was he ever taught how to do this by Gouken??????????My point exactly, Ryu would have been utilizing the full form of Ansatsuken by having the killing intent as well.
Ryu and Ken being taught a "toned down" version of Ansatsuken has nothing about them being taught a "weaker" form. The toned down form simply means [B]A NON-KILLING INTENT FORM
[/B]
* you really have reading comprehension problems... where did i say that the toned down Ansatsuken was weaker? quote me... the full potential of Ansatsuken includes killing techniques, without it, it is not full, intiende? Ken & Ryu was taught without it, so it's not full... about the Metsu Shoryuken, it was one time only, it's only a fraction... the full Ansatsuken is only being witnessed in Gouki who embraced Dark Hadou...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Nothing that sets him on par with Dark Ryu...please try to keep it about the debate, if you continue to call me out like this, I'll have you reported.
* the statement is idiotic, not you... but if you want to be an idiot, report yourself, not me... maybe, i should be the one to report you...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Umm, you said, Ryu was trying his best...remember here [B]his best. Now your trying to fun off and say something different.[/B]
* stop trying to put words in my mouth... quote me, i dare you... i know what i said: "Ryu is not fighting back, true, but you can see that he is trying to block Ken's attacks... Ken had broken Ryu's defense"... (http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=334270&pagenumber=7)
Originally posted by JustFrame
Ken is obviously naturally talented (I have stated this numerous times before, however you just failed to read it) however he is not, and I repeat, not on par with someone like Ryu.
* the only thing you have is Ryu up one tier higher than Ken... everything else is exaggerated and does not have any proofs at all... reread your Canon Guide, there's nowhere that states what you blab about...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Go to Google Type in "Street Fighter Canon Guide" read it and become educated...I posted this to you numerous times before already...
* i believe you are talking about this: http://fightingstreet.com/folders/variousinfofolder/variousinfopages/streetfighterplotguide.txt
* but try to scan also Wikipedia... i believe they will never load something non-canon...
Originally posted by JustFrame
LMAO...in a Street Fight match up, where groan shots, back head strikes, and even killing if it where to occur is all fair game. Your a complete joke man.This isn't some tournament under a referee and rules, this is a Street Fight, where ANYTHING HAPPENS. Live With It, Ryu won.
* Capcom official statement: "Ryu didn't beat Sagat fairly. Sagat actually had a BIG upper hand. When Ryu was about to faint, satsui no hadou awakened. Sagat was actually giving his hand out to help Ryu up because he was confident he already won. Sagat was caught off guardwith Satsui no Ryu's metsu shoryuken."
"Ryu is a prospective warrior who was raised and trained by his master, Gouken. When he hears about the first Street Fighter 1
tournament, he eagerly enters to prove himself. With his skill and prowess, Ryu quickly advances to the finals, where he fought the host of the tournament, Sagat. Sagat, however, was more than a match for Ryu, and proceeded to kick the crap out of him. It seemed like Sagat won. Ryu was down on the ground. Sagat, seeing this, held out his hand to help Ryu up, because the victory was obviously Sagat's and the battle was over. But Ryu wanted to win at all costs. He was desperate to win. For a very brief moment, he became CONSUMED by his desire to win. A strange mysterious force overtook him (satsui no hadou) and he immediately teared through Sagat with a metsu shoryuken. The powerful dragon punch came out of nowhere and caught Sagat completely off guard, tearing through and leaving a scar on his chest, as well as an emotional scar which wouldn't heal for a long time. Ryu didn't know what happened to him, but he did know that he won. He was the Street Fighter champion."
* Ryu won, no doubt about that... the tourney is anything-goes, true... but fact still remains on how he defeated Sagat... by a cheapshot, by cheating... you should live with it, it's Capcom's official statement...
Originally posted by JustFrame
By trying to say "There where good fighters in the US tourney" you basically where trying to say what Ken did was "just as good" in achievements as what Ryu did.
* still as stubborn as before...
Originally posted by JustFrame
Based In-Game Wise....D. Ryu>>>>>>>>>>>V. Ken. Are you kidding me?D. Ryu has ridiculous damage potential+juggling potential. Not to mention D. Ryu in Alpha 2 has complete and total Access to CC's a.k.a. Custom Combo's, and a Lvl 1 CC with D. Ryu does nearly half-life damage.
Please...for the love of all that is good, do not try to mention "in-game" wise again. Simply because D. Ryu in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 (V-Ism Combos where broken in there, and D. Ryu was Ryu good, but 5x better due to better damage output).
They do not even compare, D. Ryu is much better then V. Ken in-game wise.
* this is really lame... SNK vs Capcom does not have same features with SF Alpha games...
Originally posted by JustFrame
It doesn't take to knowing a person to be able to tell if they have high lvl knowledge of competitive Street Fighter gaming.
* yeah, i remember someone here saying this: "if Ken throws a Hadouken even outside sweep range, Ryu can fly right through it and punish Ken for it."... you call this knowledge? anyone can punish anyone with a mistake like that... even Dan can punish Gouki if Gouki throws a Hadouken and Dan jumps over it, leaving Gouki open for punishment... you call yourself someone who participated tourneys and give stupid scenarios like that?
Originally posted by JustFrame
Dark Ryu (Not Evil Ryu, stupid English translations)
* according to Canon guide, it's either "Satsui no Hadou ni Mezameta Ryu" or just plain "Ryu"... Evil Ryu is never named "Evil Ryu" in the Japanese versions of the games, just "Ryu"... but the term "Evil Ryu" is too damn popular... whereas your term "Dark Ryu" was nowhere found in the Canon guide...
Originally posted by shin_remy
who's this little dickshit ''JustFrame'' ?geez he's annoying
they both have chances to land massive damage on each other
Violent Ken wins, read the svc comics, feats are far superior to those of evil Ryu
Hands down,E. Ryu can't match that, if youre denying this, your a dickshit!!!
They are both uncanon
Kind of hard to substantiate that...
V.Ken at max power was outright pwned by S.Akuma with a simple Zugai Hassatsu.
Yet E.Ryu fought evenly and eventually defeated an equally powerful S. Mr. Karate... And that was AFTER a match against Terry.
And yes, I do remember that S.Akuma said that V.Ken was slightly more powerful, BUT, everything after that proves E.Ryu is far superior, Defeating Serious Mr. Karate, and then as a normal fighter defeating Godess Athena... Both of whom are LEAGES above V.Ken in every way conceivable in that comic.
Originally posted by brainchild81
The rest of it came out in English already? Last time I got an issue, Ryu was just starting to fight V.Ken. Did Genjuro kill ripoff yet?
Ryo, After having his throat slit by Genjuro, gets his life temporarily extended my Mr. Karate... so he can watch the fight.
Mr. K nearly dies in a vicious onslaught, but he is forced to merge with the Chaos Force and becomes S. Mr. K, who destroys Genjuro with a single punch through the chest. And then he sends his son into oblivion.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Kind of hard to substantiate that...V.Ken at max power was outright pwned by S.Akuma with a simple Zugai Hassatsu.
Yet E.Ryu fought evenly and eventually defeated an equally powerful S. Mr. Karate... And that was AFTER a match against Terry.
And yes, I do remember that S.Akuma said that V.Ken was slightly more powerful, BUT, everything after that proves E.Ryu is far superior, Defeating Serious Mr. Karate, and then as a normal fighter defeating Godess Athena... Both of whom are LEAGES above V.Ken in every way conceivable in that comic.
there were many versions of the characters in the comics example : Alpha 3 Bison and M.Bison sf 2
that was NOT V.Ken at full power against E.Ryu. And besides, V.Ken was winning from E.Ryu
No S.Gouki defeated V.Ken with a counter ''the misogi''!!!
yeah and E.Ryu defeated Geese, while NORMAL KEN were beating Geese before the battle was interupted
and it was FULL POWER V.Ken who pwnd bison and akuma at the same time with One atack. Bison was afraid for V.ken even that little Devil (forgat his name)
I don't remember him beating serious Karate, i believe that was a normal Ryu, athena was also beaten by a normal ryu.
The ending in the comics where stupid, and you forget that Ken appeared in the ending to help Kyo!!! cause of him Kyo won,
Originally posted by shin_remy
there were many versions of the characters in the comics example : Alpha 3 Bison and M.Bison sf 2
And this means... What? That has absolutely nothing to do with what I said...
Originally posted by shin_remy
that was NOT V.Ken at full power against E.Ryu. And besides, V.Ken was winning from E.Ryu
Err... No dude, V.Ken got outright trounced by a Shin Shoryuken, After completely missing with a Kuzuryuu Reppa
Originally posted by shin_remy
No S.Gouki defeated V.Ken with a counter ''the misogi''!!!
Read it again, it says in big bold letters "Special Technique: Skull Destroyer" Now, the Skull Destroyer translated is the Zugai Hassatsu, In other words all it took for S.Akuma to kill V.Ken was a simple Overhead strike...
Originally posted by shin_remy
yeah and E.Ryu defeated Geese, while NORMAL KEN were beating Geese before the battle was interupted
The Cosmos copy of Ryu outright DESTROYED a Chaos enhanced Geese... Blew him in half with a point blank Shinkuu Hadouken... and who is to say Ken would have won that fight... it became a moot point anyway.
Originally posted by shin_remy
and it was FULL POWER V.Ken who pwnd bison and akuma at the same time with One atack. Bison was afraid for V.ken even that little Devil (forgat his name)
That was a Chaos Copy... not the actual Ken... And we know how badass those Chaos and Cosmos copies where... they kicked all sorts of ass. Cosmos Chun Li blew a frigging hole the size of a beach ball in Demitri's chest.
Originally posted by shin_remy
I don't remember him beating serious Karate, i believe that was a normal Ryu, athena was also beaten by a normal ryu.
True, but remember, al that time E.Ryu was under the murderous Hadou, he had full control of himself. There's no reason to assume that after he stopped using the killing intent that he lost any of it's potency at that point.
Originally posted by shin_remy
The ending in the comics where stupid, and you forget that Ken appeared in the ending to help Kyo!!! cause of him Kyo won,
Yes, and guess what, Ryu won on his own... Imagine that...
Anyways... This is pointless, those comics are non-canon anyway.