All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

Started by Fishy76 pages

TR if you want to play it like that why don't you just say "No you missed." "No I didn't, bam bam bam now you are dead" "No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead"

I mean thats about what your argument is all about.

Maybe ST technology doesn't even touch SW maybe SW technology blows up ST just by looking at it.

We don't know any of that crap, so we will just have to assume some things here. Not change it because we feel like it

All I know is I don't see any weapons that rip holes in subspace or attack time itself in Star Wars.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
All I know is I don't see any weapons that rip holes in subspace or attack time itself in Star Wars.

And nothing that has the force in Star Trek...

Originally posted by Fishy
And nothing that has the force in Star Trek...

There are all kinds of creatures that have force-like powers. It's just they don't derive from an energy that flows through everything (in the one galaxy).

Right, but who says time travel is possible in SW? If you want to play it like that then everything just becomes absolute.. The force would exist in the people from ST and the powers they have can not compare to the force as it is in everything... Controlling the force into perfection is basically just that, controlling everything.

Why wouldn't they be able to time travel in Star Wars? Other than not figuring it out yet. Maybe they should get their lazies off the hyperspace and cobble some transwarp together. Maybe they'll stumble onto the time weapons too.

The same reason the force woudln't work... Its just a bullshit argument IMO if thats the way people want to win then this debate just becomes worthless

Originally posted by Fishy
The same reason the force woudln't work... Its just a bullshit argument IMO if thats the way people want to win then this debate just becomes worthless

The force doesn't work because it doesn't exist outside that galaxy. It's extra. Time travel has always been through the use of science, albeit skewed science, that for the most part has been constant in all space mediums and not a mystical force.

And just to clear things up, I'm not saying they'd go back in time and like blow up the planets or something. I'm saying Annorax, not caring about anybody but the Krenim Empire, but more importantly, his wife, would likely just sit back behind the battle and release a time distortion wave meant to kill them all.

The force is supposed to unite everything... Everything not just the things in that galaxy... Thats why its a bullshit argument, and even without the force in those people the force users would still be able to manipulate themselves and the surrounding area. The ships the stars the planets... But its just a bullshit argument

Originally posted by Fishy
The force is supposed to unite everything... Everything not just the things in that galaxy... Thats why its a bullshit argument, and even without the force in those people the force users would still be able to manipulate themselves and the surrounding area. The ships the stars the planets... But its just a bullshit argument

Tell it to the Yuuzhan Vong

Originally posted by Fishy
TR if you want to play it like that why don't you just say "No you missed." "No I didn't, bam bam bam now you are dead" "No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead" No you missed me, bam bam bam now you are dead"

I mean thats about what your argument is all about.

Maybe ST technology doesn't even touch SW maybe SW technology blows up ST just by looking at it.

We don't know any of that crap, so we will just have to assume some things here. Not change it because we feel like it

Actually... that is what the SW argument has been from the begining. I have been trying to add a more even/logical element to this debate. The thing is is that the SW people want the SW tech to literally blow ST up if ST even looks at it cause they think that SW rules... just like you said above, I have been trying to get people to put the tech on equal playing fields and to help them understand that its not as cut and dry as you say it is...

Look Fishy... I am not saying that Star Wars would loose... I have from the begining of this argument stated that this comparison can not be done because no one has writen rules that are equal in both Galaxies. The Star Wars galaxy is like fruit and the Star Trek galaxy is like vegatables. They are not even in the same catagory... Now if they were apples and oranges then it would be easier because they both have the fruit scale to play off of. Did that make any sense whatsoever...?

Right, but who says time travel is possible in SW? If you want to play it like that then everything just becomes absolute.. The force would exist in the people from ST and the powers they have can not compare to the force as it is in everything... Controlling the force into perfection is basically just that, controlling everything.

If you remember when I asked about the whole speed thing someone gave me an answer that helps out with this...

Travel between star systems would be impossible were it not for the development of the revolutionary hyperdrive propulsion system. The term hyperdrive refers to the engine and interrelated systems that propel a starship through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. Quoted from Darth Janus...

If you deal with alternate dimensions then you are dealing with the manipulation of time. This statement leads me to believe that Time Travel is possible in the SW universe... but since the SW universe never discusses time travel lets just leave this one alone.

From Swanky-Tuna Tell it to the Yuuzhan Vong

Amen!... Lucas did the injustice of introducing something into the SW Galaxy that was not affected by the force. So if the Vong are not affected by the then why would anyone argue that beings from other Galaxies would be affected. Its not a logical argument. Dont be pissed about this. Its not your fault, and its not my fault. Blame it on the lame ass that convinced Lucas to go along with it.

Yeah the ships are bigger, but for those of us that have actually watched all the different series of ST on TV we know that the Federation has fleets... Usually hundreds of ships per fleet. Plus they have a joint aliance with the Klingons... That nearly doubles their fleet size. Plus there are the Cardasian Empire, the Dominion, The Romulan Empire, Tholians, Borg, Kazons... Now you add in all the different races encountered in the five different series over 20 years of TV broadcasts... The ST galaxy is a whole hell of a lot bigger than you think.

Yes I know the SW universe has thousands of years to draw upon which means all of the ships we have seen in all the movies and books but realistically it would not be SW vs. ST... Its more like the New Republic, Rebel Alliance, Federation, and Klingon Empire against the Imperial Empire, Seperatist Army, Dominion, and Romulan Empire against the Vong against the Borg... Then throw in all the smaller groups and you have a Lord of the Rings Battle of FIVE armies (from the Hobbit). Eventually the New Republic, Rebel Alliance, Federation, and Klingon Empire, Imperial Empire, Seperatist Army, Dominion, and Romulan Empire would band together to fight the Vong and the Borg... and just based on the shear numbers of Borg I am guessing that they would eventually assimilate the Vong and incorporate them into the collective and increasing their numbers that much more.

Now that would be a battle to see...

If the two would unite it would be a nice battle..

And I know that SW won't just blow up ST.. But there are a lot of unknowns in everything.

When you talk about the power of their weapons, we will just have to assume they are equal because we have no way of knowing which one is more powerful. If they are equal then wouldn't the SW ships be harder to be destroyed because they are 10 times the size?

Actually thats one of the reasons I think this debate serves no purpose, all of us have stated what we want to say, now we are basically arguing about things we know nothing about just to proof the other is wrong, when the other can't be wrong because its just an opinion. We are right now debating on nothing but opinions, and its my opinion that SW is more powerful and others think that ST is more powerful. Its not like any one of us is going to change that by stating some facts from that movie or that show that don't have anything to do with the other universe.

I know... its all opinion based. I have stated that before as well. Its all just for fun. See who can best defend their side of the argument. Its all speculation but there are ways to logically argue even speculative points... which is what we are doing here.

One thing that was stated before was that the ST characters have an uncanny ability to problem solve... SW ships are bigger, thats a problem... so whats the solution? Well, here is how you do it... the ST ships are far more manuverable and can probably dodge a good portion of the turbo laser fire from a Star Destroyer until the ST ship got in closer. If your talking about a ship like the Defiant then its small enough that it could even move in so close that the turbo lasers could not track it. If the ST ship can punch a hole in the SD shields then all they need to do is beam a small container of Anit Matter into the engine bay of the SD and then beam matter directly into the Anti Matter container... The resulting explosion would cause a chain reaction that would either cripple or destroy the SD. This could all be done in mere seconds as the ST ship passed the SD... Thats even assuming that the SW shields can even block transporters...

This technique was used by Scottie during his days in Star Fleet Academy when he was taking his Kobioshi Maru test... The no win scenerio test.

I know Fishy... its all speculative. But this whole thread would not exist without speculation.
If you remember in the original SW trilogy the Star Destroyers had shields up but the Rebels were still able to shoot out its shield generators. So there is obviously a vulnerability that can be exploited.

Yeah Ion cannons...

Knocks out electricity for a small time... Very effective against droids...

And the shield generators can be destroyed yes... On the other hand throw enough fire power on the ST shields and they will just be destroyed even on their biggest ships. SW doesn't have that, small ship shields get destroyed larger one's are not destroyed just the generators... So firepower alone would not do it logically.

What I was just trying to say with that last post, its all opinions here, and i'm all for debating things but as soon as people start saying the force does not work then the argument IMO at least becomes childish and useless. Its just going to be a constant on and off of that doesn't work.

Still, I would love to see ST try and destroy the Death Star, the first or the second one. Thats never ever going to work

Oh come on... I have stated several times how a single vessel from the ST galaxy could destroy the Death Star... I think you are missing a critical point about the Death Star... any of them... NONE of them were destroyed by fleets of war ships coming in and pounting it to hell. They were all destroyed by a single fighter/freighter entering the super structure and punching a hole in its heart...

And saying that the Force does not affect ST people is not childish... Its a speculative suggestion based on LUCAS sanctioned SW Books. I cant say FACT cause we are talking about fiction... but it is a logical assumption based on LUCAS published books.

Yeah all Death Stars were destroyed by fighters.. But ST does not have as much fighters as SW has and nothing can even make me believe that they can manouver in the same ways X-wings can.

But even if the force would not affect the people it would still be between ships between things in the stars and in the air. The force could still manipulate that.

Star Trek - Is a bunch of Federation Regulation Loving hippy treehugging wusses....

Star Wars - an infinite galaxy of BADASSES....

Star Trek would fall at the massive aramy that can be comprised from the Galatic Empire, inlcuding the REbellion... The Sith Lords and the Jedis....

Actaually, The emperor could wipeout the entire Borg Colony by himself....

TR Swanky... Please don't respond to that...

Fuc king stupid thread! Star wars!!!! hands down! God!

Universes Collide… Renamed to When Galaxies Collide!

Part 4 Boarding Parties

Aboard the U.S.S. Zuhkov, NCC-62136

Security Officer - “Captain. Enemy shuttles have latched on and breached out hull. Boarding parties have entered our ship.”

Captain – “Full security response. Lets show these boys the way off our ship. Set phasers to MAXIMUM!”

Storm Troopers poured into the ship showering the halls with blaster fire. Plums of smoke billowed from burning panels as the blaster fire ripped into the corridors. As team one filed out of their shuttle they lined the sides of the hall in anticipation of an enemy response. None came. Slowly the storm troopers began to look around, puzzled that they had met no enemy response. They peered through the smoke and slowly began to move forward. Their forward progress was suddenly stopped by the front troops bouncing into a security force field that had been energized the moment the hull was breached. The rest of the troops backed off as the forward troops placed charges around the corridor.

The corridor imploded as the Imperial charges ripped through the bulkheads and disabled the force shield. Phaser fire erupted from the far end of the hall as the Storm Troopers pressed forward. The front two troopers dropped limp as several blasts from phaser rifles impacted their armor plating. Orange red beams lanced forward from hand held phasers at the following Storm Troopers but merely glanced off their polished armor. Several more hand phasers joined the attack and the combined power was to much for the armor to withstand and blasted the trooper to his knees.

Imperial troops opened up once again with their blaster carbines. Super charged gas energy bolts reigned down on the Federation security forces cutting them to pieces as the troopers pressed forward. More phaser bolts pulsed out from phaser rifles and dropped trooper after trooper. Slowly the phaser bolts ceased as the Imperial blaster fire overwhelmed the small security details that charged to meet the challenge.

Minutes after boarding the six Imperial teams had rendezvoused and combined forces. After a short reorganization the boarding party split into three groups and headed off toward engineering, tactical, and the bridge. This ship was to be captured intact.

Security Chief – “Captain. They have taken out our security details. The few remaining security personnel between them and us is not going to be enough to even slow them down.”

Captain – “What about the security fields? Can we activate them along every corridor?”

Security Chief – “They already are Sir, but they are taking them out with some sort of explosive charges.”

Captain – “Very Well. Helm lock in a course for the nearest star base.”

Helm – “Course laid in Sir.”

Captain – “Engage at maximum impulse. Computer lockout all command and engineering functions, authorization Z01109.”

Computer – “All ship command functions locked out.”

Captain – “Computer, flood all decks with haloron gas. Authorization Z01109.”

Moments later haloron gas flooded the decks of the ship, knocking out any living creature.

Onboard the U.S.S. Niagara, NCC-58800

Security Chief – “Sir, the first group of Imperial Troops have entered the turbo shaft.”

Captain – “Computer, verify command function lockout.”

Computer – “Lockout Verified.”

Captain – “Defensive perimeter. Form up and take cover at bridge center. All weapons to full power. Hand phasers work as groups. Those of you with rifles lay down covering fire. Nobody takes my ship with me on the bridge.”

Without hesitation the bridge crew moved to the most covered position. In the momentary commotion the Captain tapped in several commands into his command chair and then took cover.

Seconds later the bridge doors parted to a hail of blaster fire. Before the Star Fleet officers could react three of them were laying on their backs with smoldering blaster marks on their chests. The bridge crew opened fire and slowed the Imperial troopers entry onto the bridge. In a flash of light a hand phaser exploded in the turbo shafts entryway. The remaining troopers fell to the deck dead.

Blaster fire erupted from behind them as troopers poured in from the conference room door. Partially stunned from the phaser explosion the bridge crew could not react in time. In seconds they were all dead.

Computer – “Command Alert! All command personnel life signs have been terminated. Initiating Auto Destruct sequence.”

Computer – “10…. 9…. 8…. 7…. 6…. 5…. 4…. 3…. 2…. 1….”

The ship lit up like a super nova as its warp core imploded on its self. The Imperial Forces had over run the ship… but had failed in its capture.

Onboard the U.S.S. Venture, NCC-71854

Captain – “I told you… Its standard procedure to dump our computer core if the ship is in imminent threat of being taken over.”

Imperial Captain – “You are telling me that if you get a little scared you dump your whole computer core! I find that hard to believe.”

Imperial Technician – “Captain, I have never seen a system like this before. It is going to take some time to break this encryption.”

Captain – “The greatest minds in Starfleet developed that code at four different locations so that each would not know what the other was doing. They combined the code and ran it through a unique complex algorithm for each ship in the fleet. No two codes are alike. It will take you years to decrypt that. By then you will be destroyed.”

Imperial Captain – “LT… Take this rebel scum back to the fleet. I am sure that Lord Vader would love to have a look into your mind.”

Back on the Enterprise, NCC 1701-E

Worf – “Sir, the Venture has initiated its capture protocol. The Imperials have it.”

Picard – “Can we intercept it?”

Worf – “Not without a sizable task force Sir. As soon as the Imperials had control they moved a Star Destroyer detachment to its location. We would not stand a chance.”

Picard – “Very well. Send the update to command. Data, Worf, start planning a rescue mission.”

-This is my imagined idea. No one has the right to add, delete, or finish this story. Comments only. -

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