All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

I know there are a lot of inconsistancies in Star Trek so I cant really bag on Star Wars for having them but thats just a good example of inconsistancies...

Usually the way CANON topics are based is off the ORIGINS of the topic... So Star Wars movies would provide CANON data/info about SW with the books adding non-Canon data to the pool... Not that the books are wrong... its more like the Movies are the Constitution and the books are the Ammendments. So it all depends...

So far I have found three different technical specs on weapons range for SW... probably just as many out there for ST...

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Not that weapon power would even count here because one of sides has force users that could throw planets around, destroy entire fleets with their force powers (force storm), cause stars to go supernova, control black holes, gravity, drain the life from an entire planet within seconds and so on...no technology is able to counter that.

Quantum Cingularities... the power source for Romulan vessels.

Originally posted by TRSundown
I know there are a lot of inconsistancies in Star Trek so I cant really bag on Star Wars for having them but thats just a good example of inconsistancies...

That is no question of inconsistancies. It's a question of logic. When I watch a movie were people wear plastic armour than take the information I can get and than say "that METAL armour of the people is weak" there is no logic in it.

Usually the way CANON topics are based is off the ORIGINS of the topic... So Star Wars movies would provide CANON data/info about SW with the books adding non-Canon data to the pool... Not that the books are wrong... its more like the Movies are the Constitution and the books are the Ammendments. So it all depends...

The "origins" of Star Wars are not the films is the mind of George Lucas or at least everything produced by Lucasfilm/LucasArts and so on. And CANON is, what Lucas says. There is a use for all that "Technical Journals" in the SW universe. They are canon information given about things in the films that weren't given in the film. Imagine those people would try to give you technical informations about everything used in the film while you are watching the movie.

"This is the Death Star. It has a radius of x kilometres. There are XX thousand people working in it. It has XX thousand weapons type A, xx thousands of type B, X thousands of type C and of course that huge superlaser thingy blowing up planets from up to XX mio miles away with an energy beam that has an energy output of XX mio KW" and so on...would be quite boring...

So far I have found three different technical specs on weapons range for SW... probably just as many out there for ST...

Where ? And what weapons are you talking about ? See...I'm just saying that taking information like that from what is displayed in the movies is nonsens. Imagine a realistical scene where the Millenium Falcon (for example) escapes from a Star Destroyer firing at it from 100,000+ kilometres of range.
From the Falcons point of view you would see laserfire coming from some point between the stars. From the Star Destroyers point of view you would see laserfire concentrated on a target you can't see. Realistic ? Sure... but would that be a better scene than having those huge Star Destroyer coming in just behind the Falcon and fire at it. No way...

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
[b]Temporal weapons [/B]

Can dead people use temporal weapons. I don't think so...

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Can dead people use temporal weapons. I don't think so...

Why not?

Originally posted by Fishy
Why not?

Combine all the jedi together and star trek will have a -10000000000000000000000000000000000000000%chance of survival

Originally posted by greivous
Combine all the jedi together and star trek will have a -10000000000000000000000000000000000000000%chance of survival

You know... this topic is just about dead here I think... Swanky Tuna is the only one who really understands... I am going to bow out again for a while... Work is getting way to busy to keep posting. I will keep my eye on things in here though... so behave.

Sorry... I hate to keep beating a dead horse but I re-read the sw-vs-st.net website and found this about CANON... Thought it would help clear up some of the comparisons on his website... and gives me even more respect for the work he has done.

Before we can begin comparing the two universes, it is helpful to know just what those two universes are made of. Star Trek and Star Wars are such licensing phenomenons that there is an incredible mass of text, footage, pictures, games, toys, and so on. Do we have to know about all of it to get the whole picture of each universe? No, not at all. Paramount and LucasFilms have both decided to define 'canon policies'. These policies dictate what is and what is not part of the official story and what constitutes official fact (i.e. the canon), whether or not the companies have allowed the use of the name Star Trek or Star Wars on something else.

In both cases, the filmed live-action material is the absolute canon. This means that Star Trek has four complete series worth of canon, with a fifth series (Star Trek: Enterprise) in production. There are also the ten motion pictures. Paramount has also stated that the Star Trek novels of Jeri Taylor are canon.

That is it. Thus, no FASA, no novels, no Technical Manuals, no Chronology, no unlicensed fan materials . . . no nothing.

Star Wars canon is a little different. The movies are absolute canon, but the scripts and novelisations of the movies are also considered a lesser part of the canon. Also considered are the Star Wars radio plays broadcast on National Public Radio, but to a far lesser degree.

That is it. Thus, no WEG, no novels, no tech manuals, no games . . . no nothing. The Expanded Universe is, as per Lucas, part of a "parallel universe", with a separate history and a divergent future from what is seen in his films.

(The EU has been a source of much confusion in Vs. Debates, in part because the canonicity of it was left unclear for a long time. Both policy-makers and fans often use terms like "canon" and "official" with reckless abandon. However, the fact remains that the EU is no more a part of the official story of Star Wars than the Star Trek novels (and, given some of the information from the Expanded Universe, that's probably a good thing). Now, bear in mind that some of my pages make reference to non-canon information, and I point this out when it happens. Don't be confused . . . I only refer to it because such materials are the basis of some of the most fervently-believed Star Wars myths.)

If any of you reading this have posted here in this thread then you really need to go read this part of the guys website:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWintro.html
and
http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWCanon.html

and then continue on reading from there... I am still reading the site so I cant make many more comments than that.

Read it... its worth it.

Originally posted by TRSundown
You know... this topic is just about dead here I think... Swanky Tuna is the only one who really understands... I am going to bow out again for a while... Work is getting way to busy to keep posting. I will keep my eye on things in here though... so behave.

The only one who understands? Why because he agrees with you?

The only thing SW has are the borg and some weapons who'se affect is unknown. The only real measuremt we have is that asteroid and for some reason ST has a lot more problems with it then SW. Its pretty easy then. SW wins, superior fire power bigger ships more of them.

Originally posted by Fishy
The only one who understands? Why because he agrees with you?

The only thing SW has are the borg and some weapons who'se affect is unknown. The only real measuremt we have is that asteroid and for some reason ST has a lot more problems with it then SW. Its pretty easy then. SW wins, superior fire power bigger ships more of them.

SW has borg... cool...

Not not because he understands but because he has the ability to use logical reasoning...

See there you go again... SW wins... cause I got bigger ships... Well Jabba has bigger $hit too so does that mean SW is full of $hit?

Oh wait... now I have reverted to the SW level of debating... sorry about that...

😘 <-- Yoda's opinion of this whole thing... lol

This debate is pretty pointless now... we are back to pathetic banter...

Okay so I made a mistake ST has borg...

And no the bigger ships have nothing to do with it, the superior fire power that you just ignored has something to do with it. And you ignored it after you said this debate became nothing but saying stupid things. If you don't want that then debate and don't just forget about a point I made because you don't like it

You want to use logic however how is this

26.000 years of fighting
300 years of fightning

WHo would win?

I just find it extremly hilarious that even though its already proven SW has more powerful ships you still debate about the power of the ships.

Even though SW is faster some people here still say ST is faster, all ST has is the ability to go to every location at random SW has to follow set paths. That the borg are supposed to be all powerful even though a Death Star shot could destroy it and super star destroyers could level planets so the borg cube too.

What does ST still have? SW has stronger weapons and can put more of them on a ship. It can travel faster, it can level entire planets. And if you include everything then it can throw stars. And this debate is about everything vs everything except Q the only chance ST has. But Q isn't there.

Originally posted by Fishy
Okay so I made a mistake ST has borg...

And no the bigger ships have nothing to do with it, the superior fire power that you just ignored has something to do with it. And you ignored it after you said this debate became nothing but saying stupid things. If you don't want that then debate and don't just forget about a point I made because you don't like it

I didnt ignore it... I didnt realizing we were actually still debating... I thought we were back to pathetic banter.

You want to use logic however how is this

26.000 years of fighting
300 years of fightning

WHo would win?

Star Trek 💃 again I say... CANON! What is canon? Thats what this should be based on... Hell if it thats the case then I will quickly design a massive starship manufacturing plant that kicks out Federation vessels that are ten times the size and power of Star Destroyers at a rate of one per second... Write a book about it and then WOO HOO... ST wins... pathetic.

I just find it extremly hilarious that even though its already proven SW has more powerful ships you still debate about the power of the ships.

I dont think anyone has provided any kind of reliable support for that argument. In FACT I have provided support for the ST side that is a whole hell of a lot more logical with a more scientific approach than anything the SW side has put up.

Even though SW is faster some people here still say ST is faster, all ST has is the ability to go to every location at random SW has to follow set paths. That the borg are supposed to be all powerful even though a Death Star shot could destroy it and super star destroyers could level planets so the borg cube too.

and I think we have beat that like a dead horse... and the argument well Super SD's can level plants so they can kill Borg too is childish and unsupportable... Plants... stationary LARGE targets... Borg Cubes... fast manuverable targets. Humm...

What does ST still have? SW has stronger weapons and can put more of them on a ship. It can travel faster, it can level entire planets. And if you include everything then it can throw stars. And this debate is about everything vs everything except Q the only chance ST has. But Q isn't there.

Well I will tell you what else is in the ST universe... The race that created the Dyson Sphere... a habitable sphere that surrounds an ENTIRE SUN! and harnesses the power from that sun for an almost unlimited supply of power. Humm what else... actually, I cant count the number of super human races that have jedi like powers... there are just to many of them. Okay, what else... Quantum Cingularity power sources, temporal weapons, subspace weapons, phased cloaking devices, the Dooms Day Machine... Im gonna have to go back and catalog all this stuff cause there is just to much... plus the Borg which are said to have over 100,000 cubes in there fleet...

And yes, I know the creator of this forum said no Q... but ST still has the rest of the Q continuum.

Look... there is nothing you can say that is going to make me think that ST is just going to get whiped off the map... It aint going to happen.

Originally posted by Fishy
The only one who understands? Why because he agrees with you?

The only thing SW has are the borg and some weapons who'se affect is unknown. The only real measuremt we have is that asteroid and for some reason ST has a lot more problems with it then SW. Its pretty easy then. SW wins, superior fire power bigger ships more of them.

And the only asteroid they had "trouble" with was one that ended up not being an asteroid. And it wasn't even really trouble.

I'm pretty sure a Species 8474 bioship outclasses any one Star Wars ship sans a Death Star and maybe a super star destroyer.

Originally posted by Fishy
You want to use logic however how is this

26.000 years of fighting
300 years of fightning

WHo would win?

I just find it extremly hilarious that even though its already proven SW has more powerful ships you still debate about the power of the ships.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
If proving things is simply ignoring them, you are one giant tome of proof power.

Dude... you are toooo funny.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
Yes, because we agree the topic is dead and I understand that...

When I said that a few posts ago you wanted to continue this debate. I won't even reply to the rest you posted here, because it doesn't do anything.

I'm not ignoring anything here but you guys constantly change things the way you want it. Think of impossibility and wild guesses when the most we have is something you don't even consider becuase it wasn't one, or something shitty like that.

If you didn't want to debate this anymore, fine. You should have said that two/three pages ago when I said the same thing instead of continueing it.

You know what **** it, nevermind. Screw it, SW has won game over.

Well even though I didnt say it, what I really ment was that it was pointless to argue with you cause you just cant stand the idea that ST has the potential (with proper support and debate) to be equal to SW.

Oh and by the way... that last post of yours made absolutely no sense whatsoever.