Originally posted by Jack Daniels
you dudes should be fightin over babes not sci fi....better in this day not fight at all...boyz dont know how to act like men anymore...guns is all they know....anyways better hope he doesnt pull out a phaser on ya...LOL
We did, i told him he's slow when it came to us girls. Heck! he couldn't say anything. 😮💨 WAhahahahaha! Lol.. 😆
ROck on Sorgo! YOu know guys, i told him he just kept on irritating me that SW is lame(can you believe he said that?!?!?!) cause he just couldn't admit its cooler that st. 😂
this is sounding like an elementary dispute, but its actually between a second year highschool (that's me) and a 4th year highschool halfwitted scruffylooking 'nerd'. 😄
I still thing is powerful dumb that the thread creater included the stupidly powerful Star Wars characters but excluded the Q race for Star Trek. I still think Star Trek could win of they teched it out. Time incursions, quantum bombs, anti-matter transporting, phasic weapons etc.
If it comes down to it, a single borg ship could go back in time and wipe out the Star Wars races before they're even a threat. Or just assimilate them.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I still thing is powerful dumb that the thread creater included the stupidly powerful Star Wars characters but excluded the Q race for Star Trek. I still think Star Trek could win of they teched it out. Time incursions, quantum bombs, anti-matter transporting, phasic weapons etc.If it comes down to it, a single borg ship could go back in time and wipe out the Star Wars races before they're even a threat. Or just assimilate them.
LMFAO.
Trekkie fanboy. Typical.
1- Q isn't reliable. He could give a shit less about the Federation or the Enterprise.
2- Every thing you've mentioned is a plot device. If they could just "leap through time" they would do it to solve mundane problems, not to bring back to life everyone who just died in the last episode cliffhanger.
3- One borg ship would be overpowered by conventional SW tech. In fact, it would be assinine to assume that the one borg ship would A) be able to go back in time, B ) could accurately arrive in a time when the SW galaxy COULDN'T kick the borg's ass, and C) assimilate everything. There's numerous cases of the borg not being able to assimilate species.
So yeah...
Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
1- Q isn't reliable. He could give a shit less about the Federation or the Enterprise.
Just a shame they're not in the running.
2- Every thing you've mentioned is a plot device. If they could just "leap through time" they would do it to solve mundane problems, not to bring back to life everyone who just died in the last episode cliffhanger.
There are regulations for stuff like that. You don't take a starship through time just to grab your coat out of the car before you friend drives off or to taste that juicy apple twice. The captain of the time ship, Annorax, and the borg have no such regulations but it would make quite a crappy show if everyone was just racing back in time to destroy the other don't you think?
3- One borg ship would be overpowered by conventional SW tech.
Unlikely, from what I've seen in the movies. I'm not saying one cube would breeze through like Silver Surfer or something but it would be quite a force to take down. George Lucas' lack of technical knowledge is a double edged sword.
In fact, it would be assinine to assume that the one borg ship would A) be able to go back in time
The Borg can and have. Heck, the federation can but doesn't want to.
B ) could accurately arrive in a time when the SW galaxy COULDN'T kick the borg's ass
Their methods are accurate. The rest of your B is very biased. Are you saying when the horse was the most advanced form of transportation in the Star Wars galaxy and people thought the sun was a burning chariot crossing the sky, they would still have no problem taking out the borg ship from the ground with their swords and wooden arrows? Maybe they should go back further. Will the sith lord Neanderthal still take out all the Borg with his tree branch?
C) assimilate everything.
I never said everything but they could assimilate enough. How many of the uber powerful force users were human?
There's numerous cases of the borg not being able to assimilate species.
Like who? Species 8472? Doesn't matter really. They could assimilate humans and just doing that in the past would change things immensely.
General Comparisons beginning with Star Trek.
Star Trek.
Planetary destruction: 30-ship bombardment in "The Die is Cast" (surface-level explosions create fireballs in the megaton range at most, judging from fireball duration). No sub-orbital ejecta launched from planet's surface at all. Trekkies attempt to ignore weak-kneed appearance of attack and focus on semantics in order to exaggerate the figure.
Star Wars
Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise.
Star Trek
Asteroid destruction: according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D (a capital warship with a crew of a thousand) to equal just one of Jango Fett's seismic charges (a bounty hunter's weapon).
Star Wars
Asteroid destruction: Jango Fett's seismic charges destroy asteroids in a radius of 5-10 km in AOTC.
Star Trek
Combat range: fleet actions in DS9 uniformly feature engagements at ranges of 5 km or less, just as they do in TNG's Klingon wars or Borg engagements. In "The Die is Cast", Sisko actually orders the Defiant to approach to 500 metres (while taking fire) before shooting at a Jem'Hadar attack ship, presumably due to some disadvantage incurred at longer range. The only long-ranged incidents involve stationary or near-stationary targets.
Star Wars
Combat range: in ROTJ, combat initially occurs at ranges of a few thousands kilometres, eventually closing to a few hundred kilometres ("point blank" according to Lando) until Rebel ships are within a few dozen kilometres of the Executor.
Star Trek
Speed: Voyager took 7 years to crawl across part of one quadrant of the galaxy, even with repeated assists from alien races, stolen technology, and even the occasional shove from a godlike being. Not hours ... years.
Star Wars
Speed: travel from galactic core systems to outer rim systems ("halfway across the galaxy" as Amidala put it) is shown repeatedly in ANH, TPM, and AOTC. It is invariably same-day traffic, typically a few hours.
Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Comparing the Slave 1 to the Enterprise beginning with Star Trek.
Star Trek
Main phasers: 3.6 GW
Star Wars
Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Star Trek
Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoretical
Star Wars
Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons)
Star Trek
Sublight acceleration: 1000G
Star Wars
Sublight acceleration: 2500G
Star Trek
Operational range: 2750 light-years
Star Wars
Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).
Star Trek
Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peak
Star Wars
Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar)
Star Trek
Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6
Sar Wars
Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar)
Star Trek
Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6)
Star Wars
Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c)
And:
Don't buy the picture?
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Star+Wars&word2=Star+Trek
From what I have showed you, Star Wars has shown tendancy to have more Powerful technology and they are basically three times more popular.
Bye now.
We could always place one Ancient Sith Lord against the Entire Borg and Fed Fleet.
Star Trek newb #1: Fire torpedoes!!111 lmao!
Torpedoes head towards Naga Sadow on Random planet #1827...
Naga: Hey. Check this shit out.
Naga Sadow starts chucking planets at the fleet. The end
Or DE Sidious against all of Star Trek. Or NJO Luke. Or Marka Ragnos.
There are single entities in Star Wars that could kick the shit out of Star Treks fleets placed together.
Hell, the Rebels took down the Empire who would crush the Feds.
Maybe the Rebels alone can take down a few Fleets.
Originally posted by Sorgo the Cruel
General Comparisons beginning with Star Trek.[B]Star Trek.
Planetary destruction: 30-ship bombardment in "The Die is Cast" (surface-level explosions create fireballs in the megaton range at most, judging from fireball duration). No sub-orbital ejecta launched from planet's surface at all. Trekkies attempt to ignore weak-kneed appearance of attack and focus on semantics in order to exaggerate the figure.Star Wars
Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise.Star Trek
Asteroid destruction: according to Riker, it would take the entire photon torpedo payload to destroy a single 5km wide hollow asteroid in "Pegasus". In other words, it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise-D (a capital warship with a crew of a thousand) to equal just one of Jango Fett's seismic charges (a bounty hunter's weapon).Star Wars
Asteroid destruction: Jango Fett's seismic charges destroy asteroids in a radius of 5-10 km in AOTC.Star Trek
Combat range: fleet actions in DS9 uniformly feature engagements at ranges of 5 km or less, just as they do in TNG's Klingon wars or Borg engagements. In "The Die is Cast", Sisko actually orders the Defiant to approach to 500 metres (while taking fire) before shooting at a Jem'Hadar attack ship, presumably due to some disadvantage incurred at longer range. The only long-ranged incidents involve stationary or near-stationary targets.Star Wars
Combat range: in ROTJ, combat initially occurs at ranges of a few thousands kilometres, eventually closing to a few hundred kilometres ("point blank" according to Lando) until Rebel ships are within a few dozen kilometres of the Executor.Star Trek
Speed: Voyager took 7 years to crawl across part of one quadrant of the galaxy, even with repeated assists from alien races, stolen technology, and even the occasional shove from a godlike being. Not hours ... years.Star Wars
Speed: travel from galactic core systems to outer rim systems ("halfway across the galaxy" as Amidala put it) is shown repeatedly in ANH, TPM, and AOTC. It is invariably same-day traffic, typically a few hours.Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Comparing the Slave 1 to the Enterprise beginning with Star Trek.
Star Trek
Main phasers: 3.6 GWStar Wars
Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)Star Trek
Photon torpedoes: 64 megatons max theoreticalStar Wars
Missiles: 190 megatons (tail-launched missiles; seismic charge mines are roughly 12000 megatons)Star Trek
Sublight acceleration: 1000GStar Wars
Sublight acceleration: 2500GStar Trek
Operational range: 2750 light-yearsStar Wars
Operational range: not stated (however, Obi-Wan's starfighter has an operational range of 150,000 light-years, and is probably similar).Star Trek
Shield heat dissipation: 3311 GW peakStar Wars
Shield heat dissipation: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has shield dissipation of 2 billion GW peak, and is probably similar)Star Trek
Reactor power: ~4 billion GW at max warp 9.6Sar Wars
Reactor power: not stated (however, Amidala's personal yacht has power output of 7 billion GW max, and is probably similar)Star Trek
Max warp speed: ~2000c (warp 9.6)Star Wars
Max hyperspace speed: not stated (however, same-day flight from core to galactic outer-rim systems requires speeds in excess of 10 million c)And:
Don't buy the picture?
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Star+Wars&word2=Star+Trek
From what I have showed you, Star Wars has shown tendancy to have more Powerful technology and they are basically three times more popular.
Bye now. [/B]
STAR WARS ROCKS!
Let's take all the low showings and compare them to high showings! WEEEEEE! What about when all those bombers were trying to flush Han Solo off the asteroid? Their bombs literally did nothing.
There's a post some pages back where I commented on the stuff you copied the list from.
As for the single force user against whole universes, what would they do against any of the creatures that can't be killed by throwing a moon at them? I hear all this jazz about the Yuuzhan Vong not being affected by the force because they're from a foreign galaxy? That alone could seal a win for the Star Trek universe. Incorperal, or just durable enough, beings who cannot be harmed directly by the force. There are more species than Q.
And can we clean things up a little? I'm not going to stay and play if all you guys are going to do is make 3 word posts and try to ridicule me with "n00b" remarks and silly "pwn3d" pictures. I'd like to think we're adults, not 14 year olds at a middleschool football game.
Sorgo the Cruel... sad... so very sad... yet I am sad for again entering in here and arguing over something so trivial...
You need to go back and read through this whole thread... I addressed just about every one of your Star Wars sided comments...
While neither of these two universes are propable, the Star Trek universe is based on physics and is actually sound in most of its technologies... in Star Wars, well... Lucas just never went there...
Star Trek is more Science Fiction while Star Wars is more Fantasy Fiction.
I love them both... but I still think you all are looking at the VS. totally wrong...
Do you really thing that the Federation and the Republic (the good republic with Mon Mothma and Acabar) would go to war with eachother?
I have a series of stories that I started writing on here of my interpretation of what would happen... you should read them.