I've been pointing out the superior versatility while you've just been saying "But the wtflazors r so BIG!".
When the **** did I say that SW wins because their turbolasers are big? And I've been handing you facts, with sources and logical examples. You're essentially saying "I believe ST is superior, and I'm not convinced by anything else, therefore ST > SW."
That's really why I'm taking the tech tree route. I'm not about to go hunting through 40-some-odd years of tv show history to so I can debate who has more and bigger laser guns.
More or bigger "laser" guns isn't the point. In fact, if you knew a damn thing about either universe, you'd know that lasers aren't even the main weapons we see on-screen. But I'm sure in your Trekkie laziness you just glossed over that. Next you'll be arguing that turbolasers really are lasers because "laser" is in the word itself.
Yeah, teleporting a bomb into a wall would surely disarm it. How accurate do anti-matter warheads have to be?
WTF? Are you seriously this narrow minded?
You mean the lumbering star destroyers?
Cute. Lumbering? Star Destroyers dwarf just about every ST ship and then some. Their sublight speeds aren't top notch, but they're ****ing BATTLESHIPS. Smaller frigates and even light freighters exhibit better sublight speeds then do ST ships and even roundabouts. Not that any of that matters,because just one Star Destroyer has enough firepower to make the planetary bombardment in "The Die is Cast" look like a kid's fireworks show.
From what I've been reading, hyperdrives seem to operate less on raw speed and more on traversing paths through hyperspace. More or less like wormhole travel on Star Trek.
Then you're obviously reading wrong.
From the Starwars.com databank on "hyperdrive'
Travel between star systems would be impossible were it not for the development of the revolutionary hyperdrive propulsion system. The term hyperdrive refers to the engine and interrelated systems that propel a starship through the alternate dimension of hyperspace. In hyperspace, there is no limit to how fast a starship can travel, and thus interstellar distances can be traversed in mere minutes.
Before entering hyperspace, a pilot must supply exact coordinates derived by the ship's navicomputer. Without precise calculations, a ship may collide with a body in hyperspace with catastrophic results.
Although largely reliable, constant modifications to a hyperdrive can render it untrustworthy. Han Solo's Millennium Falcon had an extremely recalcitrant hyperdrive which often failed when needed the most.
Now, from the ST database, an excerpt on ST propulsion:
VOY Season 3, Ep# 69: "Scorpion Part II"
7 OF 9: The nearest Borg vessel is 40 light years away. You will reverse course and take us to it.
CHAKOTAY: Even at maximum warp, that's a five day journey, in the wrong direction.
This means that it takes 5 days to cover 40 light years at maximum warp, which works out to roughly 3000c.
The Federation DS9 TM specifies that the maximum speed which can be maintained for as long as 12 hours is warp 9.9 for upgraded versions of the Galaxy-class and Nebula-class starships. Maximum 12-hour speeds are listed as warp 9.2 for the Miranda-class, warp 9.7 for the Norway-class and Saber-class, and speeds between warp 9.55 and 9.75 for various other sundry ship classes. Their fastest starship appears to be the Defiant-class, which is rated for a maximum of warp 9.982 for 12-hours. This represents a significant strategic advantage over other groups in the area such as the Romulans, Klingons, Cardassians, Jem'Hadar, etc. According to the DS9 TM, no starship from any of those groups has been observed exceeding warp 9.6.
Using this information, we can conclude that the average Federation, Romulan, Klingon, Cardassian, or Jem'Hadar warship is capable of approximately 2000c cruising speed, with high-end ships being capable of 3000c, and a handful of exceptional vessels being capable of roughly 6000c. This is, of course, insignificant compared to the speed of hyperdrive which ranges into the millions or tens of millions of times c, but it nevertheless represents a significant improvement over previous efforts from the Federation.
Now for SW... From Star Wars IV: A New Hope, pg. 118 softcover: "Navigation computer calculates our arrival in Alderaan orbit at oh two hundred."
This indicates that the trip from Tattooine in the Outer Rim to Alderaan in the Galactic Core takes less than one day. Otherwise, Solo would have included a date or a number of days along with the time (if you are going to arrive at two o'clock three days from now, you won't just say that "we will arrive at two o'clock"- you will say "we should arrive around two o'clock on Monday", or "we should arrive Monday afternoon" or "we should arrive in a few days"😉. A trip from the outer rim to a core system will be at least 30,000 light years (and probably much more- Alderaan might be on the far side of the core), and if it takes less than one day, travel speeds must be in excess of 10 million c. This is from a canon source.
So there's the speed breakdown.
They may have ritzy guns, but how long do you think it'd take for people who routinely stumble onto glitches and exploits in enemy technology to realize it's all the same stuff. It's like the star wars galaxy had scissors and came upon a rock. Instead of inventing paper, they just made bigger scissors.
This statement supports nothing, asserts bullshit, and is moot. Next time make an argument, support it, and have proof. Otherwise, you're just another Trekkie fanboy wasting my time.
I supposed the suspiciously unoriginal Xindi planet destroying weapons could do some damage, there's species 8472, telepaths to mindwipe the crews, borg, etc.
Which won't make a lick of difference. The Imp fleet alone can dominate all of ST space within the span of a few months.
What about the weapons Star Wars has no defense against? The temporal disputers and the time incursions, probably species 8472 again, sentient space anomalies, and so on.
You mean random plot elements and devices? Regular ST tech doesn't add up. Their tactics are outdated, their numbers are few, and Random Plot Element X isn't going to defeat a system of millions of planets. Sorry.
Simple. The object of this thread is for them to do battle and so they must do battle. There motives are forced to be "fight!" by the very nature of this thread whether they care who wins or not. But the Q aren't allowed, blarg, blarg, blarg.
Hm. I think Q was removed from the equation, but really- why argue Q? You don't know jackshit about his/their abilities. Can Q win a galaxy-wide battle with a snap of his fingers? Can he make the battle not happen? Can he get drunk? Can he make X = Y? You don't know jackshit about his abilities and their limits... how can you just say Q > all?
I'm convinced that the Star Trek universe has superior versatility because I haven't seen otherwise, and that gives them the edge. They have weapons that attack time itself. Who cares how many gigawattz your laser can produce when it can be erased from existence?
lmao
You are a Trekkie fanboy.
"I am convinced that ST is superior. I have no support, no proof, and just a bunch of general unsupported statements and hyperbole, mixed with bias, and wishful thinking including plot elements and one time only happenings. I have seen concrete canon proof from the opposition, but I refuse to accept it. Therefore, ST > SW."
That is your stance in a nutshell.
And "zOMG they haev teh tiem attak weapuns!!!" is unsupported bullshit, and no one was talking about "giggawattz lasers" since no such things exist in the material. Now, if you can't argue objectively and include proof and the canon material, STFU and go away. Your fanboyism is starting to stink up the thread.
...Sans the star destroyer chasing the falcon, I don't think I've ever seen a star destroy move while in combat or even face a different direction than its fellow star destroyers, let alone forming some kind of complex formation or ambush of any kind.
So, you haven't seen it, therefore it must not happen? lmao
Why don't you bother to research before you make an ass of yourself?
The constant repetition of the phrase "blahblahblah is coming around for another pass" alone should be an indicator that the Trek ships have some movement going on.
Which is why they get nailed all the time, huh? Do you have any figures of sublight Trek ship speeds to compare with SW sublight speeds? No, that's right. You don't do that whole "logic and proof" thing. You're just here to spout biased opinions and bullshit.
Unless those beams of energy have some kind of guidance system, I have a hard time believing they could hit the board side of a barn with another barn from that distance.
Bad analogy, lack of proof, personal bias, and unfounded assumption. Geez, did you even read what I wrote, or should I have given you this link first? www.dictionary.com