All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

Let's take all the low showings and compare them to high showings! WEEEEEE! What about when all those bombers were trying to flush Han Solo off the asteroid? Their bombs literally did nothing.

1- The statistics he was using were for light ships, like Slave I and Amidala's private yacht, which is about the size of a doubledecker bus for Star Wars. The Trek statistics are for their largest ships, of which they have perhaps a few hundred tops. Trek ships are notoriously frail; their shielding needs to be recalibrated to defend against certain attacks, they cannot stand serious damage (How many times have we seen Trek ships be down past 50% shield capacity from one or two other warships?) Also, Trek folks have no sense of naval tactics, their ships are slower, less manueverable, they have no feasible army (I'm pretty sure a colonial militia from the 1700s could WTFpwn these morons who have no artillery, no body army, no sustaining fire tactics and no heavy arms.) etc. etc... I mean, I could go on ALL DAY about how wussified Trek is compared to Star Wars.

2- Uh... Riker said it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise's torpedos just to destroy an asteroid 5 KM wide. The small bombers were bombing something closer to a planetoid than a small, 5km meteor. Therefore, your comparison is ridiculous.

As for the single force user against whole universes, what would they do against any of the creatures that can't be killed by throwing a moon at them? I hear all this jazz about the Yuuzhan Vong not being affected by the force because they're from a foreign galaxy? That alone could seal a win for the Star Trek universe. Incorperal, or just durable enough, beings who cannot be harmed directly by the force. There are more species than Q.

I think you fail to see the point- If Trek takes the battle to SW space, they lose. Force users pwn them, superior tech and numbers pwns them (Let's face it- the ships even in the relatively non-militaristic Republic numbered in the thousands... well more than the combined forces of the Federation and its allies at their peak), SW galaxy is composed of millions of active worlds, and we all know how long it takes a Trek ship to get anywhere. They haven't even explored the entirety of Federation space, how would they be able to map out and pwn SW space? It'd take them thousands of years assuming that the SW forces just... don't resist. So yeah, pwned. Shot down. Owned. Destroyed. Purchased. WTFreturned. All that.

Now let's give Trek the advantage- let's say that the SW forces attack in Trek space. This MIGHT remove the advantage of the force. However, it doesn't make things easier for the ST universe. SW ships even 4000 years before the movie (Specifically, the Leviathan) can obliterate all life on an entire planet. This is done with a relatively mild weapon system. Fastfoward to Republic or even Imperial times and you have fleets of THOUSANDS of ships that go exponentially more damage. You have the Death Star which destroys a planet and it's planetary shield inside of a second. That kind of power is unfathomable.

And can we clean things up a little? I'm not going to stay and play if all you guys are going to do is make 3 word posts and try to ridicule me with "n00b" remarks and silly "pwn3d" pictures. I'd like to think we're adults, not 14 year olds at a middleschool football game.

I'm not making three word posts, but I am attacking your apparently poorly thought out idea of a "solid" ST win.

And TRSundown, you are obviously off of your rocker. ST science is pseudoscience at its best; bullshit fabrications most of the time. SW may be unrealistic, but ST is even further out in left field. Unless you have a rational scientific explanation for crystals powering warp drives, teleportation devices, the holodeck, the nature of shields and scanners, etc. I doubt that you can, really. SW may take liberties with science and science fiction, but St just flat out makes up its own rules.

And then there's the fact that you're basically saying this:

1- I believe/think/feel that ST tech is more realistic than SW tech.
2- I am making assumptions that the Federation and the Republic wouldn't go to war, despite the fact that the thread presupposes that they do.
3- I am writing a story (Not sure why that one even counts, but hey... trying to give your argument some meat here.)

Therefore, ST > SW.

WTF? Nonsense.

Oh yes, and I almost forgot Q: Supposively omnipotent (Despite that being a contradiction in itself). Apparently because he can do a few tricks, he can just WTFpwn an entire galaxy force. Right. And suppose they try to go into SW space? Oops. Perhaps they could lose their power source or become mortal? Perhaps they won't know where to start? Their powers are so undefined you're arguing from ignorance every time you say they can do anything they haven't done in series.

Yall ST fans got Pwned.

Originally posted by TRSundown
Sorgo the Cruel... sad... so very sad... yet I am sad for again entering in here and arguing over something so trivial...

You need to go back and read through this whole thread... I addressed just about every one of your Star Wars sided comments...

While neither of these two universes are propable, the Star Trek universe is based on physics and is actually sound in most of its technologies... in Star Wars, well... Lucas just never went there...

Star Trek is more Science Fiction while Star Wars is more Fantasy Fiction.

I love them both... but I still think you all are looking at the VS. totally wrong...

Do you really thing that the Federation and the Republic (the good republic with Mon Mothma and Acabar) would go to war with eachother?

I have a series of stories that I started writing on here of my interpretation of what would happen... you should read them.

You're just completely missing it, aren't you?

And you're calling me sad?

Do you really think Star Wars would go with Star Trek at ALL?

^ You have to ask that before asking whether the Fed would fight the Republic.

Let's take all the low showings and compare them to high showings! WEEEEEE! What about when all those bombers were trying to flush Han Solo off the asteroid? Their bombs literally did nothing.

1- The statistics he was using were for light ships, like Slave I and Amidala's private yacht, which is about the size of a doubledecker bus for Star Wars. The Trek statistics are for their largest ships, of which they have perhaps a few hundred tops. Trek ships are notoriously frail; their shielding needs to be recalibrated to defend against certain attacks, they cannot stand serious damage (How many times have we seen Trek ships be down past 50% shield capacity from one or two other warships?) Also, Trek folks have no sense of naval tactics, their ships are slower, less manueverable, they have no feasible army (I'm pretty sure a colonial militia from the 1700s could WTFpwn these morons who have no artillery, no body army, no sustaining fire tactics and no heavy arms.) etc. etc... I mean, I could go on ALL DAY about how wussified Trek is compared to Star Wars.

2- Uh... Riker said it would take the entire payload of the Enterprise's torpedos just to destroy an asteroid 5 KM wide. The small bombers were bombing something closer to a planetoid than a small, 5km meteor. Therefore, your comparison is ridiculous.

^ Janus'.

Too lazy right now.

There's a post some pages back where I commented on the stuff you copied the list from.

As for the single force user against whole universes, what would they do against any of the creatures that can't be killed by throwing a moon at them? I hear all this jazz about the Yuuzhan Vong not being affected by the force because they're from a foreign galaxy? That alone could seal a win for the Star Trek universe. Incorperal, or just durable enough, beings who cannot be harmed directly by the force. There are more species than Q.
So, the Trekkies are automatically protected because they are from a foreign universe? The Yuuzhan Vong had protective wear against the Jedi. They knew what they were up against.

Hey, maybe the Trekkies are screwed because they have no idea of the Force. That alone could seal a win for the Star Wars Universe.

And can we clean things up a little? I'm not going to stay and play if all you guys are going to do is make 3 word posts and try to ridicule me with "n00b" remarks and silly "pwn3d" pictures. I'd like to think we're adults, not 14 year olds at a middleschool football game.

Either that's an excuse to leave the thread or you really are that whiney.

Originally posted by Sorgo the Cruel
So, the Trekkies are automatically protected because they are from a foreign universe?

The Yuuzhan Vong had protective wear against the Jedi. They knew what they were up against.

Hey, maybe the Trekkies are screwed because they have no idea of the Force. That alone could seal a win for the Star Wars Universe.

Either that's an excuse to leave the thread or you really are that whiney.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
1- The statistics...

I'm not making three word posts

but I am attacking your apparently poorly thought out idea of a "solid" ST win.

All that stuff is from a Star Wars website with all sorts of misestimates and such. I'm sure I bought it up in the old posts which is why I'm not really taking this wave too seriously.

Actually, if you had bothered to check, the information was from official sources from both universes. Unless you have proof of a serious error or misrepresentation and you plan to back it up on this forum, this point does nothing.

I didn't say you were making three word posts.

Fair enough

If you want to think purely in one dimension, go right ahead. It's not always about how much energy your weapons can put out or how many ships you have.

I don't think in one dimension, thanks very much. And you have yet to address any of my points, where are valid. But since you're not offering any rebuttals and your idea of victory is not "how much energy your weapons have or how many ships", perhaps you'd like to offer a well-thought out alternative?

Let me guess- It involves either the Borg, Q, teleporters, or some fancy one-time only pseudoscience BS routine?

You need to accept the obvious- Star Wars tech is lightyears beyond anything ST has to offer. They have more planets and sentient races than the Federation can deal with, they have powerful beings in their own universe that can contend with a fleet of ST ships ON THEIR OWN, and the sheer number of warships with more than capable armaments makes ST's loss not only a possibility, but an inevitability.

And I'm sure you have nothing substantial to say otherwise.

I forgot who posted the thing about the size of the asteroid Han Solo was on/in but I meant the surface damage. No surface damage from the bombs they were dropping. And there's no way it was because the movies were made back in the 80's or so.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Actually, if you had bothered to check, the information was from official sources from both universes. Unless you have proof of a serious error or misrepresentation and you plan to back it up on this forum, this point does nothing.

I don't think in one dimension, thanks very much.

But since you're not offering any rebuttals and your idea of victory is not "how much energy your weapons have or how many ships", perhaps you'd like to offer a well-thought out alternative?

Let me guess- It involves either the Borg, Q, teleporters, or some fancy one-time only pseudoscience BS routine?

And Q because I will never let that go. It's so biased to exclude them.

What's your beef with teleporting anyway?

And it doesn't matter if it was one time or pseudoscience. They did it so it can be done. It's not like either universe has the room to call itself more plausible than the other between time travel and the series of plot holes known as the Death Star.

As for an alternate, pseudoscience is the name of the game when it comes to Star Trek. It's like Pre-Crisis Superman. It's friggen mad-libs. Configure the <equipment name> to emit a <Argentinian girl's name> pulse to disrupt the <name of your dentist> field. Trip the coils on the shield generators, configure weapons to match shield frequencies, again with the phasing various times of torpedoes through reality and again with the time travel, using cloaked ships, etc.

You need to accept the obvious- Star Wars tech is lightyears beyond anything ST has to offer.

Right...

If you're too lazy to restate your position and back it up, you aren't worth my time, simply put.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
That seems to be how it works. "Inexplicably, the Yuuzhan Vong are not part of the Force. Their presences do not register in the ubiquitous energy field, and they are immune to Force attacks." And I've also read things about there being a "force bubble" surrounding the galaxy in which star wars takes place.

Let me just remind you: In the NJO series people discovered possibilities to use the force against the YV. Even if they weren't a part of it. And even if the entire ST universe people can't be affected by the force:

- Sidious alone destroyed fleets with a force storm.
- NJO Luke disabled YV's (that can't be affected by the force) using the force
- there is nothing to stop Jedi / Sith once they can engage in direct combat (boarding a ship, ground battles and so on)
- they can use the force to strengthen their own forces (Battle Meditation)

All that stuff is from a Star Wars website with all sorts of misestimates and such. I'm sure I bought it up in the old posts which is why I'm not really taking this wave too seriously.

Even if you not rely on "SW websites" but use the actual sources. This here says "all of SW" vs "all of ST". I like to give you some stuff and you can tell me how the ST universe would deal with it.

Infinite Empire
One billion force users with unlimited capital ship / fighter numbers thanks to the Star Forge.

Ancient Sith Empire
1000 generations of at least 20 Sith Lords + 1 Dark Lord = 21.000 high level force users; millions of lower force users; billions of slaves (Massasi warriors - twice as powerful as normal human soldiers at least). Ships with force based superweapons installed that can rip the cores from planets / stars even able to produce a supernova.

KotoR time Dark Side forces
Exar Kun, Freedon Nadd, Sith magicians / witches, Krath, Krath battle droids, Nihilus (draining planets), force trained assasination squads (including Sion who is physically indestructible). Revan and his Sith Empire.

The Mandalorians
An entire race of warriors including battleships and stuff like that. Each of them compareable to Boba Fett or Jango Fett. Boba alone (so one mandalorian) tore apart an entire Imperial Base (hundrets of soldiers) on his own.

Brotherhood of Darkness
Another 1000 years of Sith Lords added.

Bane's Sith order
Another 40 Sith Lords at least added, including Sidious, Maul, Dooku, Darth Vader.

The Jedi Order
Another 1000 generations of force users with possibly 10.000 force users per generation. Add another 10,000,000 force users there swinging lightsabers able to cut through anything.

Galactic Empire
Sidious minions (force trained assassins and other people basically dozens of them), trillions of clone troopers / storm troopers, 25000+ Star Destroyers, millions of smaller battle ships, a dozen Super-Stardestroyers. Superweapons: 3 Death Stars, Sun Crusher (able to annihilate Star Systems), Galaxy Gun (one shot destroys planet). Tactical genious incarnated in people like Tarkin and Thrawn.

Rebel Alliance / New Republic
Again thousands of battle ships. Military genious Ackbar who destroyed much of the Vong in one single battle. The NJO including people like Luke Skywalker, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo and the other Jedi. The three mentioned were able to destroy an entire army of Yuuzhang Vong. Kyle Katarn (also part of the NJO) took down an entire Imperial Base (hundrets of soldiers) without the force (talk about mercenary skills).

The Yuuzhan Vong
And another race of warriors with the average people being physically twice as powerful as a normal human soldier, wearing armour and weapons that can't be penetrated by lightsabers / blasters unless weakened before (something the ST people can't do). And they have the technology to throw moons around and create artifical black hole that they can send against their enemies.

This is not even talking about "minor" organisations appearing in the EU (the Hutt's + their bounty hunters, the Genoharadan - a guild of skilled assassins and so on).

So tell me please how the little ST universe can defeat that force in a battle...

If you want to think purely in one dimension, go right ahead. It's not always about how much energy your weapons can put out or how many ships you have.

So ? What is it about then ? The SW universe outnumbers and outclasses the ST universe.

That pretty much says it all star wars wins no doubt and star treks ships sheids are no were as powerful as star wars sheilds

Yeah, Star Wars does have a ton of history. I'm not even going to pretend I know *every* star trek race or their capabilities but attacks revolving around time manipulation are still viable.

Possibly incorporeal beings with the crazy psionic or otherwise powers. Anyone without crazy high willpower would get mind-raped.

Originally posted by Borbarad
- there is [b]nothing to stop Jedi / Sith once they can engage in direct combat (boarding a ship, ground battles and so on)[/B]

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Right...

If you're too lazy to restate your position and back it up, you aren't worth my time, simply put.

I DO think some of it came from this site though: http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWhi2.html

I'm still re-looking through it though. Our other computer broke down due to Norton Internet Security 2006 and we're down to just the one so I've got to go for a while. Warn your friends of Norton.

That site is notoriously incorrect.

Any Starfleet vessel could destroy any starship in the Star Wars galaxy in a matter of minutes, regardless of jedi, regardless of the death star or the force. Don't get me wrong I love Star Wars, but honestly this whole dicussion is foolish. Anyone who actually watches Star Trek will know that transporting a massive bomb onto the bridge of a Star Destroyer is easy enough to grant Star Trek a yawning victory. If anyone says otherwise then they do not watch Star Trek and thier opinon is moot.

Originally posted by Lord Chariol
Any Starfleet vessel could destroy any starship in the Star Wars galaxy in a matter of minutes, regardless of jedi, regardless of the death star or the force. Don't get me wrong I love Star Wars, but honestly this whole dicussion is foolish. Anyone who actually watches Star Trek will know that transporting a massive bomb onto the bridge of a Star Destroyer is easy enough to grant Star Trek a yawning victory. If anyone says otherwise then they do not watch Star Trek and thier opinon is moot.

LMFAO!

What a stupid assumption.

"Oh hey, captain. Let's just teleport a bomb into their bridge."

"Brilliant! Hey, why don't we do that every episode?"

"Uh, sir... Because our transporters are notoriously fallible."

"Ah yes, that. So do you think we can do this?"

"Well sir, assuming that the teleport can just slip past the enemy's more effective shields, dense lead and metal plating, that we can close range enough to lock coordinates, and transport a bomb big enough to destroy ships over a mile long or more numbering in the thousands, which is well above the numbers of ships in Federation space... etc. etc... Really, sir. We don't have a ****ing chance in hell. What kind of stupid fanboy concocted this scenario?"

"Yes, that's true. And when was the last time we teleported a bomb big enough to blow up ships exponentially bigger than ours? Hell, we don't even have artillery!"

So there you have it. That theory is bullshit.

But I do have one theory as to when ST will beat SW.... When this happens:

Hell freezes over.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
LMFAO!

What a stupid assumption.

"Oh hey, captain. Let's just teleport a bomb into their bridge."

"Brilliant! Hey, why don't we do that every episode?"

"Uh, sir... Because our transporters are notoriously fallible."

"Ah yes, that. So do you think we can do this?"

"Well sir, assuming that the teleport can just slip past the enemy's more effective shields, dense lead and metal plating, that we can close range enough to lock coordinates, and transport a bomb big enough to destroy ships over a mile long or more numbering in the thousands, which is well above the numbers of ships in Federation space... etc. etc... Really, sir. We don't have a ****ing chance in hell. What kind of stupid fanboy concocted this scenario?"

"Yes, that's true. And when was the last time we teleported a bomb big enough to blow up ships exponentially bigger than ours? Hell, we don't even have artillery!"

So there you have it. That theory is bullshit.

But I do have one theory as to when ST will beat SW.... When this happens:

Hell freezes over.

Brilliant.

Damn, this isn't in the Vs. forum...I was just about to close it...

ST = pwnt.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
LMFAO!

What a stupid assumption.

"Oh hey, captain. Let's just teleport a bomb into their bridge."

"Brilliant! Hey, why don't we do that every episode?"

"Uh, sir... Because our transporters are notoriously fallible."

"Ah yes, that. So do you think we can do this?"

"Well sir, assuming that the teleport can just slip past the enemy's more effective shields, dense lead and metal plating, that we can close range enough to lock coordinates, and transport a bomb big enough to destroy ships over a mile long or more numbering in the thousands, which is well above the numbers of ships in Federation space... etc. etc... Really, sir. We don't have a ****ing chance in hell. What kind of stupid fanboy concocted this scenario?"

"Yes, that's true. And when was the last time we teleported a bomb big enough to blow up ships exponentially bigger than ours? Hell, we don't even have artillery!"

So there you have it. That theory is bullshit.

You're also assuming both the Star Trek shields and Star Wars shields work the same way. As far as I know, there's no transporters on Star Wars. That means they'd never had to have defense against them and likely don't. The Star Wars universe only has like 4 types of weapons. It won't be that hard to sneak something that doesn't have the word "laser" in the title past that. It's more complex than "mine is bigger".

And it's not like they have to transport enough onboard to blow up the whole ship. Just enough to cause catastrophic failure.

What's all this artillery stuff? You mean gunships? Every species has their gun ships. Some ONLY have gun ships. The little one or two "man" ships of Species 8472 in a group of 8 could fire planet destroying beams not unlike the Death Star itself and there was an entire dimension of them. Or do you mean the long range type? Not too sure on that. They did have the one torpedoes that could travel 80 lightyears.

Well honestly, if you include the Q continuum. Then SW gets Pwn't.

There is no way around it. They can do whatever they want. And they'd do it with humor too.

*Jedi comes running up with his lightsaber*
*Q snaps his fingers and the saber turns into a giant blue dildo*
*Q laughs at him and then sucks him into a black hole*

If you include the Q then there is nothing that anyone in the SW universe can do. Let the death star shoot at a Q, he could just snap his fingers and change his position with a death stars position effectually allowing the death star to destroy itself. Or he could just throw it into a star. Or shrink it to the size of a hot wheels car and carry it around with him so he can shoot little beams at Picard to annoy him.

Include Q and SW= Pwn't. You wouldn't even need anyone else in the ST universe.