Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I know the star destroyer hit the falcon but it also missed more times than it should of. They weren't flying in any evasive pattern. They were practically flying straight. The shots were supposed to be moving so fast that they could of made the trip and back multiple times in the blink of the eye. Even if they just aimed where the Falcon was, and not where it was going to be like is sometimes needed, it should of hit. There's no reason for shots to be flying off at 45 degree angles from the ship.
Again...you aim a weapon to a certain point (X) where a ship is at that second. Now the ship is moving with 3500G+ sublight acceleration and does some very small manouvers. If you aim the gun at point x the ship might not still be there when you shoot so that the shot would miss even if traveling with speed close to speed of light.
It's like shooting a rifle at a person and the person makes a step to the side in the same moment you press the trigger.
But WHY. HOW did their tie to the force become severed? You've told me the what, when, and where a million times. I want the how, why, and who.
What does the "why" matter ? There was a civil war going on and then their own homeplanet which had "produced" them decided to cut their connection to the force off basically as some kind of punishment.
So how: Just removing their force connection (this was done multiple times in the SW EU)
Why: Punisment for constant civilwar
Who: Their own homeplanet did it. How often do I have to explain that ?
Yoda also has higher brain functions and opposable thumbs.
Yoda has only three fingers and can't speak a single correct sentence.
Eh... the 4th dimension is a term for time.
Again: What part of "warping the space-time continuum" was it you didn't understand ?
When did Sekot gain its intelligence?
It was "born" intelligent because it's the offspring of the Yuuzhan Vong homeplanet.
That's the beauty of nanotechnology. It can figure out how to do damage then do it. And I'd like to know what creature drops these black holes so I can find out what "black hole" means in the star wars universe.
You keep throwing ideas in without thinking. So the Borg somehow use nanotechnology against people that will turn them into toast on the first contact and then spent some time working on a super-virus to kill those force that would wipe them when meeting them for the first time ? Very funny.
You're assuming the borg are all going to be in one place and fight to the death like idiots.
What can they do. Everything confonting SW firepower that comes from the ST universe can't take more than 2 shots since the first shot will simply overload any ST shielding technology and the second will destroy the ships.
Possibly. How did Waru come to be? What I've read is he came from an "anti-force" dimension or something and he absorbs lifeforce to react with his "anti-force" to initiate his dimension travel, but I'm sure that's completely wrong.
He "jumped" into the SW dimension. Yeah he came from some "anti-force" dimension and absorbed life energy but he could use that energy at will (he did that to cure sick people)
It seems in the Star Wars universe, attacks take place by rushing forward in a group like fools. In Star Wars, forces tend to be spread out as to not get flanked or something.
As if it would matter. What would do forming some attack waves or tactical positioning do against enemies which are outnumbering your own forces thousands / millions / billions to one and can destroy your ships with 2 hits ?
Whoa whoa whoa, back up there. I didn't mean destroying the universe before it formed. Erasing the Big Bang if you will. I meant to go back shortly after the universe has "settled" then begin erasing things.
They still won't know where to go and I'll explain to you why that theory is usless.
...There was no "trick" in the part of my text that you quoted. If you mean the time travel, you've only mentioned a character who seemingly has to amass life force to travel from dimension to dimension and two living planets that had to be created at some point.
Here the first point:
The living planets had to be created at some points, yes. By another living planet. So the best you can do is go so far back in time that you'll find the first living planet which would still be not destroyable for Krenim / Borg.
That's just stupid. This isn't a Bill & Ted movie. To affect something in the past, you have go back in time and do it. You can't just say something happened in Star Wars' past that didn't happen.
You still don't get it, eh ? Thread says "all of ST vs all of SW". ST happens in the future. The events shown in the SW movies happen "a long time ago" and you have stuff happening 50,000 years before that or even earlier. Now...if you want to use your little "going back through time argument" than the SW Galaxy has the technology to destroy the entire ST universe aeons before somebody in the ST universe invented interplanetary or time manipulation meaning the Rakatan or the Centrepoint Station engineers can just attack the ST Galaxy in their original timeline (50,000+ years before somebody events interplanetary travel) and destroy everything.
Alright, I have my amp now so I don't need to eat up time here. I'm just going to reply to these few parts. I've got levers and knobs to figure out and we're never going to agree on anything.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Again...you aim a weapon to a certain point (X) where a ship is at that second. Now the ship is moving with 3500G+ sublight acceleration and does some very small manouvers. If you aim the gun at point x the ship might not still be there when you shoot so that the shot would miss even if traveling with speed close to speed of light.
It's like shooting a rifle at a person and the person makes a step to the side in the same moment you press the trigger.
If the bullet traveled multiple times faster than the blink of the eye, the conditions may be identical to the falcon chase.
You still don't get it, eh ? Thread says "all of ST vs all of SW". ST happens in the future. The events shown in the SW movies happen "a long time ago" and you have stuff happening 50,000 years before that or even earlier. Now...if you want to use your little "going back through time argument" than the SW Galaxy has the technology to destroy the entire ST universe aeons before somebody in the ST universe invented interplanetary or time manipulation meaning the Rakatan or the Centrepoint Station engineers can just attack the ST Galaxy in their original timeline (50,000+ years before somebody events interplanetary travel) and destroy everything.
But that stuff didn't happen. You're putting the forces in a different time frame purely because you say so when they don't have the capabilities to do so themselves. You're trying to change their history.
Well, I am back on my laptop and have been reading through Wongs Stardestroyer.net website... I have tried to read the site with as little bias as possible, and I know I am still not even half way done but I am very desturbed...
One of the reasons that I engage with SW-vs-ST.net is because his text is written in an unbiased way. During his descriptions he does his best to play a nutral party and explain the facts as he has calculated (whether they are right or wrong)... Wong does nothing but slam ST at every possible sentense. Even if his logic seems sound he is not at all objective...
The section I am reading right now is the comparison of weapon systems. He can not give a logical explenation for the Turbo Laser technology but bosts of its power and gives a fluffy argument into its superiority, and he does this with great logical deductions and assumptions which he seems to be pretty good at since they actually seem to make sense to me as well... but even though he cant give a solid conclusion into what a turbo laser actually is he still hails and praises it...
As he moves to the Star Trek phaser he states "Their characteristics are unusual, seemingly self-contradictory, and in some ways, apparently in violation of fundamental laws of physics." INSTANT BASHING... the Turbo Lasers are exactly the same. They seem to violate fundamental laws of physics, seem self-contradicory, and are very unusual... but he does not bash the SW tech.
I will admit that his calculations and logic definately point to the superiority of the SW technology but he evaluates it in a VERY VERY biased way.
Even though his logic may be accurate... his presentation is poor and biased. It comes to the point where it makes me want to rationalize the difference in technology by using my apples and oranges comment that i made earlier... a gallon of gas for SW equals 10 gallons for ST... its not logical, but his site angers me to the point of non-logical thought.
At least G2k does his best to display a non-biased argument.
Again, I will admit that from what I have seen so far, TECH wise the SW galaxy is far superior... But I will reserve my official conclusion for when I have finished reading Wongs site...
Oh one more thing that I think is interesting... He talks about phasers violating fundamental laws... well what fundamental law covers the Force...
Why does he get fundamental with ST tech but not SW... Leave the laws of physics out, fundamentals out... This is Sci-Fi... All we are doing here is assessing tech levels, not probabilities of tech...
I must go medatate now to regain my calm....
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Peace.... more later.
Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
But that stuff didn't happen. You're putting the forces in a different time frame purely because you say so when they don't have the capabilities to do so themselves. You're trying to change their history.
I'm trying to change their history ? No. Your trying to do that and ignore that this wouldn't work. You simply change the rules of this threat at will trying to archieve a win for the ST at any cost. And it wouldn't work.
It's very easy: If the ST troops (including Krenim and Borg) confront the SW universe they will get wiped out. Nobody left to go back in time and manipulate it. If they don't confront the SW fleet they won't have the information needed to destroy it - which is just the first little problem because:
a) they clearly don't have the ability to travel into a different Galaxy (operational range of the ships)
b) they clearly don't have the weaponary needed to destroy the existance of the entire galaxy.
c) Even if they would have both anything they do won't affect the Vong or the living planets.
d) This all would only work if there is virtually no force user present and the force itself would just "watch" the destruction of the SW Galaxy.
So...it won't simply work. Let them travel back in time or dress in pink and do some ballet performance. They'll still lose.
Originally posted by Borbarad
I'm trying to change their history ? No. Your trying to do that and [b]ignore that this wouldn't work. You simply change the rules of this threat at will trying to archieve a win for the ST at any cost. And it wouldn't work.It's very easy: If the ST troops (including Krenim and Borg) confront the SW universe they will get wiped out. Nobody left to go back in time and manipulate it. If they don't confront the SW fleet they won't have the information needed to destroy it - which is just the first little problem because:
a) they clearly don't have the ability to travel into a different Galaxy (operational range of the ships)
b) they clearly don't have the weaponary needed to destroy the existance of the entire galaxy.
c) Even if they would have both anything they do won't affect the Vong or the living planets.
d) This all would only work if there is virtually no force user present and the force itself would just "watch" the destruction of the SW Galaxy.So...it won't simply work. Let them travel back in time or dress in pink and do some ballet performance. They'll still lose. [/B]
Not to nit pick but I think the topic of time travel should really be left alone... Look at it this way...
IF SW engages ST in the ST galaxy then ST time travel could be possible if ST gained the inteligence it needed.
IF SW engages ST in the SW galaxy then time travel is unconfirmed and not possible.
IF SW and ST engage in a nutral galaxy, time travel is out of the question.
Now to address your issues...
A) The NCC 1701-D has traveled to another galaxy. Its not something that they can do at a whim. It was a special case where a member of the crew, Ensine or LT, I dont remember, Barkley went through an event that gave him complex mental abilities. Using the Holodeck he created an interface with the ship that gave him the ability to manipulate the warp drive giving them super speed. So it is possible... just not probable under normal conditions.
B) The weapons do exist... it does not take much to destroy primordial ooz. As for planetary destruction... The Enterprise alone can do this. It has demonstrated many times that its phases at much less than max power have the ability to bore deep into planitary bodies. There sensors can give them the data needed to pinpoint hot spots that can be disturbed enough to destabalize a planet.
There is also biological agents that can be introduced to planetary bodies that can prevent life.
You need to understand that if you are going to argue time travel, which we know the ST galaxy does poses, then ST can simply go back to the time of monkeys and dinosaurs in the SW galaxy where it does not have to worry about force users.
C) The Vong would be affected as long as the Borg or who ever went back in time knew where there originating world was, why would they not be affected. Why would living planets not be affected?
The affects of time travel are very simple... just not probable.
D) Like I said... just go back to the days of the dinosaurs... and ST would not even have to set foot on the planets survace.
Okay... now let me engage in the whole time travel thing... The Borg would not hesitate to use it... the Romulans probably would... the Klingons would not even have the smarts to think of it. The Cardasians would if they could... The Federation would not use it for ethical reasons...
Okay... now for my conclusion into this whole thing...
In the SW universe there were probably not always force users.
- It probably took years of evolution to become one with the force.
- There was not always space travel. Just like Earth history.
So from the history that we all know of in the SW galaxy, there is thousands of years of space travel and force users. Do we know how many... Not really. Could be 2000 years... could be 25000 years.
So...
A New Hope (ANH) minus X number of years = SW galaxy without out of solar system space flight... (plus we have the intro to SW - A LONG TIME AGO) So there could be 100,000 years of space travel... We just dont know... but we have this...
ANH - X = SW galaxy first space flight (X = Years of space flight)
In the ST galaxy you have seen the evolution of space flight from the first warp ship all the way to the grand Soverign Class Star Ship Enterprise. In the ST galaxy we know that Earth and the Federation has only had 300 or so years of faster than light space travel.
SOOOOO... for all us uber geeks lets lay this out.
SW galaxy = thousands of years of faster than light space travel... Possibly tens of thousands.
ST galaxy = 300-400 years of faster than light space travel...
Does this seem like a really balanced comparison?
Okay... now lets look at time lines...
In all the SW novels that I have read the technology thousands of years ago seems not to far removed from the technology in Ep 1, 2, and 3. In episode 4, 5, and 6 the technology seems to actually decline... just my observation. Basically over thousands of years you do not see much progression in technology. (This observation does not include single accomplishments like the Suncrusher and Galaxy gun, since these are single accomplishments and do not contribute to the over all progression of technology)
In the ST galaxy we see 300 years of evolution. In 300 years of EARTH technology (not including all the random species encountered) we see initial faster than light space flight progress to speeds of over 6000c according to data that I have read on both SW-vs-ST.net and stardestroyer.net. We see the evolution of transporter technology, quantum weapons, medical technology... on and on... all in just 300 years.
Conclusion of my Conclusion...
SW technology out classes that of ST. Who would win in a battle...? Does it really matter? The comparisons cant be made unless you go back to the first 300 years of faster than light space travel in the SW galaxy and do the comparison.
Originally posted by tpaquin
the sheer quanitiy of history of the Star Wars world would overwhelm the Star Trek. We're talking 10,000 years of Jedi, sith, and star pilots. How could a three-hundred year old enterprise defeat that?
Funny thing that we have 36 pages and god knows how many big ass posts for something that was said on the second page of the thread
(actually the stuff was argued before just never stated like this)
Originally posted by TRSundown
A) The NCC 1701-D has traveled to another galaxy. Its not something that they can do at a whim. It was a special case where a member of the crew, Ensine or LT, I dont remember, Barkley went through an event that gave him complex mental abilities. Using the Holodeck he created an interface with the ship that gave him the ability to manipulate the warp drive giving them super speed. So it is possible... just not probable under normal conditions.
So on a special event one ship has shown the ability to travel to another Galaxy. So what ? The one ship doesn't have any time travel ability so that's usless point.
B) The weapons do exist... it does not take much to destroy primordial ooz. As for planetary destruction... The Enterprise alone can do this. It has demonstrated many times that its phases at much less than max power have the ability to bore deep into planitary bodies. There sensors can give them the data needed to pinpoint hot spots that can be disturbed enough to destabalize a planet.There is also biological agents that can be introduced to planetary bodies that can prevent life.
You need to understand that if you are going to argue time travel, which we know the ST galaxy does poses, then ST can simply go back to the time of monkeys and dinosaurs in the SW galaxy where it does not have to worry about force users.
I think you - like Swanky Tuna - are missing the most important points.
a) The people in the ST Galaxy won't have any knowledge about the SW Galaxy. This includes information about when the SW Galaxy was formed and what they'll have to destroy and something like save travelling routes and so on...
b) Now we don't even know if they can reach the SW Galaxy and even if they can do that they're still missing the knowledge to go back to a certain point.
c) The "time of dinosaurs" ? We have intelligent species in the SW Galaxy at least 3,000,000,000 years before ANH (the Sharu in the Rafa System). Those Sharu were able to built gigantic buildings, super-computers with highly developed KI, colonized their entire sun-system and were able to enlarge and shrink objects and living beings. Then you have technology like Centerpoint Station with was installed millions of years before ANH and so on. So how far do the Borg or Krenim want to travel back in time when they don't know anything about the history of the SW universe ?
C) The Vong would be affected as long as the Borg or who ever went back in time knew where there originating world was, why would they not be affected. Why would living planets not be affected?
And again you are missing the point. The Vong came from a different Galaxy and their originating world is a living and thinking planet that posesses the ability to travel through hyperspace and rediculous force powers (Zonama Sekot - basically some similar thing stopped the entire Yuuzhan Vong fleet on it's own).
D) Like I said... just go back to the days of the dinosaurs... and ST would not even have to set foot on the planets survace.
Notice how "the days of the dinosaurs" in times of the SW universe is something which didn't exist if you have interplanetary travel and advanced KI 3,000,000,000 years before the events shown in ANH.
In the SW universe there were probably not always force users.- It probably took years of evolution to become one with the force.
- There was not always space travel. Just like Earth history.So from the history that we all know of in the SW galaxy, there is thousands of years of space travel and force users. Do we know how many... Not really. Could be 2000 years... could be 25000 years.
The force is the basic condition for life in the SW universe. Qui-Gon in TPM makes that perfectly clear: There is no living being without the force in the SW Galaxy. And basically every higher developed species in the SW Galaxy has spawned force users meaning - see above - that the history of force uses can date back 30,000,000,000 years which is the time for "interplanetary travel" to exist since the Sharu have colonized their entire star-system. Hyperdrive engines exist at least 25,000 years (yap we know that) but the Rakatan assumed to have invented it before (so even that technology can date back 49,000 years).
In the ST galaxy you have seen the evolution of space flight from the first warp ship all the way to the grand Soverign Class Star Ship Enterprise. In the ST galaxy we know that Earth and the Federation has only had 300 or so years of faster than light space travel.
I think you don't have got the idea yet. In the Star Wars universe technology is developed, lost, redeveloped or rediscovered transformed and so on and so forth. For example we know that they had technology for interplanetary travel 3,000,000,000 years ago but it wasn't really "used" until the Infinite Empire showed up (49,000 years ago). Then the people of the Infinite Empire obviously invented the Hyperdrive (since they had reigned planets across the Galaxy) but again that technology was lost and "reinvented" by human beings 25,000 years ago. And that's the reason for:
In all the SW novels that I have read the technology thousands of years ago seems not to far removed from the technology in Ep 1, 2, and 3. In episode 4, 5, and 6 the technology seems to actually decline... just my observation. Basically over thousands of years you do not see much progression in technology. (This observation does not include single accomplishments like the Suncrusher and Galaxy gun, since these are single accomplishments and do not contribute to the over all progression of technology)
Civilisation A did not naturally have access to all things civilisation B had invented before. We know that the Rakatan had "invented" stuff the Sharu had 3,000,000,000 years before. Than the "hyperdrive" which was already known to the Rakatan was "invented" by others 3,000 years after the end of the Rakatans Infinite Empire. The Sith as they appear in the TOTJ comics didn't have access to lightsaber which were invented 5,000 years before - and so on...
Technicall even in the "present" time (meaning the time of the films) still not everything was known or accessed. For example Han Solo called the Death Star an "impossible" product because of his size when the Rakatan have built some simliar thing 28,000 years before (the Star Forge). Then another thing he calls "impossible" is the power to blow a planet up - just that was demonstrated 5,000 years before ANH by Naga Sadow and they have millions of years old technology able to do the same.
SW technology out classes that of ST. Who would win in a battle...? Does it really matter? The comparisons cant be made unless you go back to the first 300 years of faster than light space travel in the SW galaxy and do the comparison.
The first 300 years of faster than light travel would be either the time of the Infinite Empire (Star Forge, Unlimited Ships, 1 Trillion force users) or the "official" invention of the hyperdrive (Old Republic + Jedi Order) and even back then their technology was advanced enough to take down the entire ST forces.
u know st and sw both miss the point of time travel....only st (as far as I know)ever touched that...and very inacurately at that....I would love for someone to write a story that would be more scientifically true as far as "light" or "warp" speed was concerned....you travel through space at a certain speed time advances....anyways maybe not discussion for this thread but st did touch on this point several times where unless in the comics I missed it sw never did...traveling through space at faster than light speeds was not a time issue where in our reality it is.....writers lack of knowledge????or just me bein drunk....LOL...🍺
Originally posted by Borbarad
So on a special event [b]one ship has shown the ability to travel to another Galaxy. So what ? The one ship doesn't have any time travel ability so that's usless point.I think you - like Swanky Tuna - are missing the most important points.
a) The people in the ST Galaxy won't have any knowledge about the SW Galaxy. This includes information about when the SW Galaxy was formed and what they'll have to destroy and something like save travelling routes and so on...
b) Now we don't even know if they can reach the SW Galaxy and even if they can do that they're still missing the knowledge to go back to a certain point.
c) The "time of dinosaurs" ? We have intelligent species in the SW Galaxy at least 3,000,000,000 years before ANH (the Sharu in the Rafa System). Those Sharu were able to built gigantic buildings, super-computers with highly developed KI, colonized their entire sun-system and were able to enlarge and shrink objects and living beings. Then you have technology like Centerpoint Station with was installed millions of years before ANH and so on. So how far do the Borg or Krenim want to travel back in time when they don't know anything about the history of the SW universe ?
And again you are missing the point. The Vong came from a different Galaxy and their originating world is a living and thinking planet that posesses the ability to travel through hyperspace and rediculous force powers (Zonama Sekot - basically some similar thing stopped the entire Yuuzhan Vong fleet on it's own).
Notice how "the days of the dinosaurs" in times of the SW universe is something which didn't exist if you have interplanetary travel and advanced KI 3,000,000,000 years before the events shown in ANH.
The force is the basic condition for life in the SW universe. Qui-Gon in TPM makes that perfectly clear: There is no living being without the force in the SW Galaxy. And basically every higher developed species in the SW Galaxy has spawned force users meaning - see above - that the history of force uses can date back 30,000,000,000 years which is the time for "interplanetary travel" to exist since the Sharu have colonized their entire star-system. Hyperdrive engines exist at least 25,000 years (yap we know that) but the Rakatan assumed to have invented it before (so even that technology can date back 49,000 years).
I think you don't have got the idea yet. In the Star Wars universe technology is developed, lost, redeveloped or rediscovered transformed and so on and so forth. For example we know that they had technology for interplanetary travel 3,000,000,000 years ago but it wasn't really "used" until the Infinite Empire showed up (49,000 years ago). Then the people of the Infinite Empire obviously invented the Hyperdrive (since they had reigned planets across the Galaxy) but again that technology was lost and "reinvented" by human beings 25,000 years ago. And that's the reason for:
Civilisation A did not naturally have access to all things civilisation B had invented before. We know that the Rakatan had "invented" stuff the Sharu had 3,000,000,000 years before. Than the "hyperdrive" which was already known to the Rakatan was "invented" by others 3,000 years after the end of the Rakatans Infinite Empire. The Sith as they appear in the TOTJ comics didn't have access to lightsaber which were invented 5,000 years before - and so on...
Technicall even in the "present" time (meaning the time of the films) still not everything was known or accessed. For example Han Solo called the Death Star an "impossible" product because of his size when the Rakatan have built some simliar thing 28,000 years before (the Star Forge). Then another thing he calls "impossible" is the power to blow a planet up - just that was demonstrated 5,000 years before ANH by Naga Sadow and they have millions of years old technology able to do the same.The first 300 years of faster than light travel would be either the time of the Infinite Empire (Star Forge, Unlimited Ships, 1 Trillion force users) or the "official" invention of the hyperdrive (Old Republic + Jedi Order) and even back then their technology was advanced enough to take down the entire ST forces. [/B]
Oh good god... I am about to revert to obscenities... Are you a frickin ideot!?! Well actually we all are for arguing over something so stupid.
Did you even read my post... I basically said to leave time travel out of it...
All i did was explain that traveling outside the ST galaxy has happened... on a unique event... one time... I didnt say it had any relevence... you said it could not happen so I gave you the once instance that I knew it had.
And as far as time travel in the ST universe, all warp capable ships have the capability by either using the slingshot effect used in ST 4 the voyage home, or by recreating the event in ST First Contact that brought the Enterprise to the past and back again.
I tend to not want to argue the whole time travel bit cause its not a probable solution. As far as the ST folks not know which galaxy to go to (even if they could) and which planets to hit, and how far back to go... your right... unless they were able to obtain inteligence data on the history of the SW galaxy they would not know where or when to go... Point closed... no more time travel talk.
So you say that there is interplanetary travel and inteligent force users 30 BILLION years before ANH... Please tell me where to get that timeline info... I would love to read the book or series that talks of that history... not because I dont believe you... just cause I want to expand my SW universe knowledge.
You also stated that 30 Billion years ago they had interplanetary travel... and took them 29,951,000,000 to develop faster than light travel??? (49,000 years before AHN is what you said)... Thats not a real good sign of progress... in 300 years ST went from interplanetary to faster than light...
About the dinosaurs... sooooo you think that when the SW galaxy was formed the planets solidified and then poof... people started walking around...? So there were not dinosaurs 3 billion year ago... they were more like 40 billion years ago... Geez why am I agruing this...
I highly doubt that the first 300 years of faster than light travel were the time specified by you... If it is... again, give me the reference so I can read it.
Anyways, this argument is stupid and you should not pursue it. I already conceeded to SWs... and negated any validity that this thread has... this is not a valid comparison. Its apples and oranges.
Believe what you want to believe. I love both SW and ST and always will. And I dont care if the Enterprise can get wacked by a Star Destroyer or not.
Just found this... Thought you might find this interesting.
Before the Battle of Yavin (BBY)
c. 7,500,000,000+ BBY
The Big Bang occurs, which leads to the formation of the universe.
c. 5,000,000,000 BBY
The Star Wars galaxy forms.
The first star in the Cularian System, named Morasil, is formed.
c. 3,000,000,000 BBY
The Sharu race is created in the Rafa System.
c. 2,000,000,000 BBY
The Oseon System is created. A rogue star is believed to have passed too close to the system, disrupting the planet formation and creating an abnormally large asteroid belt.
c. 100,000 BBY
The planet Coruscant is now covered entirely by its principal city, later known as the Galactic City.
The ancient Sith civilization begins to develop on the planet Korriban.
The Jedi rise.
Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dates_in_Star_Wars
Jedi do not rise until 100,000 years before the battle of Yavin... Interesting.
Ohh found another one...
Circa 2,000,000 BBY: Wookiees begin to evolve on Kashyyyk.
Circa 100,000 BBY: The Sith develop a unique culture and disappear. The Dark Jedi later take the name as their own.
Circa 27,500 BBY: The first colonists arrive on Alderaan
Circa 26,000 BBY: The Nikto discover the M’dweshuu Nova and form the cult of M’dweshuu, which controls the entire culture.
The Verpine colonize the Roche asteroid field.
Circa 25,100 BBY: The Klatooinians, Vodrans, and Nikto sign the Treaty of Vontor, binding them as slaves to the Hutts.
The Hutts defeat Xim the Despot and take over his criminal empire.
An unknown alien race introduces the earliest form of hyperdrive to the Corellians.
Circa 25,000 BBY: Hyperspace travel becomes widespread, allowing for galactic expansion and exploration. The Republic is formed and the Jedi Order assembles.
Exploration of the greater galaxy begins along the Corellian Run and Perlemian Trade Route. The Duros colonize the planet Neimoidia.
The First Great Schism between followers of the dark side and the light side occurs. After more than a century, the dark-siders are driven off into the wilds of the galaxy.
Humm....
Fine. Now we all know the evolution of the Star Wars universe, and most of us have been schooled to know how our universe was created, and we all agree to keep time travel out of this, let us please return back to the topic at hand: Which one rules; Star Wars or Star Trek?
Oh, and don't throw Q into this.
No we don't. That timeline is very questionable. The Sith as a race were made extinct only 5000 years BBY (before the battle of Yavin). The Dark Jedi discovered the Sith after the first Schism and they became the Lords of the Sith.
Such ridiculous inaccuracies as those bring into question the validity of the timeline as a whole.
Originally posted by jedi2187
Fine. Now we all know the evolution of the Star Wars universe, and most of us have been schooled to know how our universe was created, and we all agree to keep time travel out of this, let us please return back to the topic at hand: Which one rules; Star Wars or Star Trek?Oh, and don't throw Q into this.
Um well... I think I said that SW would rule over ST... so, as one of the main ST supporters I conceed to SW. There are acceptions though...
Oh and we have to include Q, cause its all of SW vs all of ST.
Okay... let me list the results of my investigations...
Fire Power - SW wins
Speed - SW wins
Medical Tech - Even
Sensor Tech - ST wins
Mental Powers - SW wins
If you want me to go into details about these conclusions of mine I can... I think it will be interesting to find out how the SW fans react to this...
Thanks... I thought the sig was appropriate for the thread. Over the past few days I have read many many websites worth of both SW and ST fanatic sites as well as several more level headed sites that evaluate both sides...
When you look at the over all big picture it really comes down to anywhere from 100,000 years to 3 Billion years of SW tech vs only 300 years of ST tech. Those numbers just dont support a ST outcome.
A deeper look into tech...
The 300 years of ST tech evolution show more promise than the 100,000 to 3 billion years of SW tech development.
Inconsistancies... There are way to many inconsistancies in both series to do any real comparisons...
There are examples on both sides, SW and ST, that show superiour technologies.
SW has exposed amost all species of importance so with SW what you see is what you get... ST has barely scrapped the surface of many of the species that they have ecountered so we dont really know...
All in all... I find that I can not argue against the sheer numbers and fire power of SW... but I will never conceed that ST is completely inferior.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Why is this discussion taking place? So many super-beings within the ST universe including Q who could whipe out the entire SW universe by himself...no contest.
See... its that kind of narrow mindedness that just kills these discussions. I dont mean that to be rude. Its just comments like that with no thought can spiral arguments out of control.
So let me address those issues... And keep in mind that I am a ST supporter and have been from the start of this thread and will continue to be...
Super beings and Q...
Q has been quoted that he has seen everything in the universe and it bores him. Based on that we can decern that Q knows about the Jedi and is not concerned about them. We also know that Q is governed by the Continuom but frequently throws the rules to the wind...
As far as the other super beings... well they have not displayed any ompipotence like Q so I would conclude from that super force users would be able to deal with them.
Q is the wild card in this whole mathmatical problem so how do we deal with this?
Well, Q is the one thing that keeps me from a complete handover to SW.
There really is no answer to Q based on the quote. It does not matter how super powerful a force user is or how many of them.