Originally posted by TRSundown
See... its that kind of narrow mindedness that just kills these discussions. I dont mean that to be rude. Its just comments like that with no thought can spiral arguments out of control.So let me address those issues... And keep in mind that I am a ST supporter and have been from the start of this thread and will continue to be...
Super beings and Q...
Q has been quoted that he has seen everything in the universe and it bores him. Based on that we can decern that Q knows about the Jedi and is not concerned about them. We also know that Q is governed by the Continuom but frequently throws the rules to the wind...
As far as the other super beings... well they have not displayed any ompipotence like Q so I would conclude from that super force users would be able to deal with them.
Q is the wild card in this whole mathmatical problem so how do we deal with this?
Well, Q is the one thing that keeps me from a complete handover to SW.
There really is no answer to Q based on the quote. It does not matter how super powerful a force user is or how many of them.
Narrow minded-ness? Not to be rude but all those who continue to debate this topic are the narrow minded ones for the answer is clear. Even if for some reason 'Q doesnt count' there are still beings in the ST that no force user could defeat. Beings that exist in multiple dimensions, Beings that live outside of time, Living planets with psychic powers that make jedi powers look like childs play, Godlike beings that can throw a starship multiple light-years away...The ST universe has different rules and has much higher limits of power than the SW universe.
Originally posted by Great Vengeance
Narrow minded-ness? Not to be rude but all those who continue to debate this topic are the narrow minded ones for the answer is clear. Even if for some reason 'Q doesnt count' there are still beings in the ST that no force user could defeat. Beings that exist in multiple dimensions, Beings that live outside of time, Living planets with psychic powers that make jedi powers look like childs play, Godlike beings that can throw a starship multiple light-years away...The ST universe has different rules and has much higher limits of power than the SW universe.
Which is exactly why there is no real way to compare the two... and why this is so futile.
Originally posted by TRSundown
When all is said and done I really believe that we should just say that these are two different galaxies in two different universe... The rules are different for each.
When I said the rules were different for each I wasnt implying the two universes couldnt be compared, I was implying the rules that govern the SW universe are much more restricting thus if the two universes were compared its plain to see the ST universe would beat the hell out of the SW universe.
Well the problem with that is you will get SW supporters that will bring up a billion years worth of SUPER force users that can throw planets and create black holes with the butts... just kidding... about the butts... but from all the disscussions I have had in here there seems to be a very large number of UBBER SUPER force users... the SW supporters seem to believe that the UBBER SUPER force users can take the super beings from ST.
Originally posted by TRSundown
Well the problem with that is you will get SW supporters that will bring up a billion years worth of SUPER force users that can throw planets and create black holes with the butts... just kidding... about the butts... but from all the disscussions I have had in here there seems to be a very large number of UBBER SUPER force users... the SW supporters seem to believe that the UBBER SUPER force users can take the super beings from ST.
Yes this is an example of fanboyism.
Yeah... I dont konw a whole lot about Species 8742... but then the SW guys will come back with the Death Stars, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun... and many others.
You would really have to break it down to several catagories
Weapons
Shields
Sensors
Speed
Medical
Ships (standard fleet ships)
Super Weapons/Ships
and then break those down into more sub catagories.
From the reading that I have done when it comes to standard ships and weapon tech SW is on the high side while ST falls way behind. Again though, after 3 Billion year of tech you better have better tech than a 300 year old civilization.
Speed, although unfathomable as far as their capabilities, SW has the upper hand.
Sensor tech goes to ST.
Medical I call a tie but I really thing that I lean on the ST side.
Originally posted by TRSundown
Yeah... I dont konw a whole lot about Species 8742... but then the SW guys will come back with the Death Stars, Sun Crusher, Galaxy Gun... and many others.You would really have to break it down to several catagories
Weapons
Shields
Sensors
Speed
Medical
Ships (standard fleet ships)
Super Weapons/Shipsand then break those down into more sub catagories.
From the reading that I have done when it comes to standard ships and weapon tech SW is on the high side while ST falls way behind. Again though, after 3 Billion year of tech you better have better tech than a 300 year old civilization.
Speed, although unfathomable as far as their capabilities, SW has the upper hand.
Sensor tech goes to ST.
Medical I call a tie but I really thing that I lean on the ST side.
The main problem with this discussion is the lack of any kind of deep ST knowledge. Im no ST guru by any means but I know enough to see that ST ships are being greatly underestimated in this debate. On top of that all the really overpowered ST stuff has been conviently left out of the discussion. As I said before each species 8742 ship has the firepower of the Death Star, there was a ship in some voyager episode that could erase a given object from time, and lets not forget the preservers(the mysterious first race of ST). And ofcourse thats just touching the surface... the SW universe doesnt have much to counter all this blatantly overpowered technology. The thing that I would say a SW ship can do better is the hyperdrive which is pretty much impossibly fast.....oh wait the Borg have trans-warp which is instantaneous. Too bad for SW.
Well the Borg still have a lower speed thresh hold than SW ships. Ive argued the whole weapons power thing and I always get refered back to the technical manuals... The SW technical manual says that heavy turbo lasers put out like a billion gigawatts of power while the ST phasers only do like 3 gigawatts or something like that.
I cant argue against the technical manuals so I just gave up. And I dont really have the time or the knowledge to do a full technical analysis of every bit of tech on each side.
Go back a few pages and you will see several postings of a short story draft that I wrote. It basically throws the two galaxies together and the battle begins. Thats kind of how I envisioned it.
Well thats enough for me tonight... Off to the sack... GNight.
Originally posted by TRSundown
Well the Borg still have a lower speed thresh hold than SW ships. Ive argued the whole weapons power thing and I always get refered back to the technical manuals... The SW technical manual says that heavy turbo lasers put out like a billion gigawatts of power while the ST phasers only do like 3 gigawatts or something like that.I cant argue against the technical manuals so I just gave up. And I dont really have the time or the knowledge to do a full technical analysis of every bit of tech on each side.
Go back a few pages and you will see several postings of a short story draft that I wrote. It basically throws the two galaxies together and the battle begins. Thats kind of how I envisioned it.
Well thats enough for me tonight... Off to the sack... GNight.
Yeah I read the story...I thought it was good.
Pleasant dreams..