All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I just put my ESB movie in. The only thing you could call maneuvering is the shallow, slow up and down motion. Terrible shots.

I wonder how you can see movements outside the ship when the camera is inside the cockpit. And I guess you simply ignored how Mr. Solo turned, did a fake attack and then landed the Falcon on the backside of the Stardestroyer.

And still this has nothing to do with the fact that the "effects" of turbolaser fire exceed the "nice colored beams" and that the Falcon was hit for several times.

Since we were talking about star destroyers, I assumed we were talking about star destroyers.

Since I was talking about "ships" and since it doesn't matter I wonder why you are still talking about that point...

From what I'm reading, Onimi seems to of grafted yammosk brain onto his brain and yammosks are force sensitive? It doesn't sound surprising since they biologically engineer their weapons to do certain things. All this biological force sensitivity makes me wonder if some kind of virus can just ravage the force users.

From what you're reading the Jedi Council started a expedition to "pierce the force bubble arround the SW Galaxy" which never happened. Onimi is force sensitive period. And since their homeplanet stripped the ability to use the force from the Vong they once were force sensitive too. So...what do you try to argue here ?

Having to fight the force itself to win the battle is ridiculous. You've shown no proof that it'd suddenly start fighting in the first place.

It helped certain persons to influence events to save the Galaxy. In the ROTS novel it guides Obi-Wan in his fight against Grievous. In the NJO series it guided several people and used them as "conduits" (Corran Horn and Jacen Solo as far as I remember). It "intervents" directly or indirectly when the SW Galaxy is threatened by outside beings (the Vong) or inside threats (Dark Side users - see the DE comics and the battle between Luke and Palpatine which the "untrained farmboy" couldn't have won).

So why it's so hard to accept the idea that it will try to save the SW Galaxy when the Krenim and Borg show up to destroy it ? Not that it's even necessary. The history of the SW universe shows that there were ancient cultures with powerful technology aeons before the actual events (those who built Centerpoint Station and built the Corellian star system) and even if the Borg and Krenim arrive before that:

- they wouldn't know what to destroy so the have to destroy everything (which might result in intervention of the force)
- Zonama Sekot will still survive the attack (living planet able to travel through hyperspace and it defeated the Yuuzhan Vong alone and has a powerful force embodyment powerful enough to knock off NJO Luke - who's rediculous powerful in the series - and some of his students)
- it would have no effect on the Yuuzhan Vong who live outside the SW Galaxy

So if Borg and Krenim can travel back in time and if they're able to visit the SW Galaxy and destroy everything the can and if the force doesn't care about the SW Galaxy getting destroyed it would still be the entirety of Star Trek VS the Yuuzhan Vong, Zonama Sekot and Waru...and still ST gets owned.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I wonder how you can see movements outside the ship when the camera is inside the cockpit. And I guess you simply ignored how Mr. Solo turned, did a fake attack and then landed the Falcon on the backside of the Stardestroyer.

And still this has nothing to do with the [b]fact that the "effects" of turbolaser fire exceed the "nice colored beams" and that the Falcon was hit for several times.[/b]

From what you're reading the Jedi Council started a expedition to "pierce the force bubble arround the SW Galaxy" which never happened. Onimi is force sensitive period. And since their homeplanet stripped the ability to use the force from the Vong they once were force sensitive too. So...what do you try to argue here?

It helped certain persons to influence events to save the Galaxy. In the ROTS novel it guides Obi-Wan in his fight against Grievous. In the NJO series it guided several people and used them as "conduits" (Corran Horn and Jacen Solo as far as I remember). It "intervents" directly or indirectly when the SW Galaxy is threatened by outside beings (the Vong) or inside threats (Dark Side users - see the DE comics and the battle between Luke and Palpatine which the "untrained farmboy" couldn't have won).

So why it's so hard to accept the idea that it will try to save the SW Galaxy when the Krenim and Borg show up to destroy it ?

Not that it's even necessary. The history of the SW universe shows that there were ancient cultures with powerful technology aeons before the actual events (those who built Centerpoint Station and built the Corellian star system) and even if the Borg and Krenim arrive before that:

- they wouldn't know what to destroy so the have to destroy everything (which might result in intervention of the force)
- Zonama Sekot will still survive the attack (living planet able to travel through hyperspace and it defeated the Yuuzhan Vong [b]alone and has a powerful force embodyment powerful enough to knock off NJO Luke - who's rediculous powerful in the series - and some of his students)
- it would have no effect on the Yuuzhan Vong who live outside the SW Galaxy[/b]

So [b]if Borg and Krenim can travel back in time and if they're able to visit the SW Galaxy and destroy everything the can and if the force doesn't care about the SW Galaxy getting destroyed it would still be the entirety of Star Trek VS the Yuuzhan Vong, Zonama Sekot and Waru...and still ST gets owned. [/B]

And what do you mean IF? The borg have shown to be able to go back in time, the entire krenim weapons systems were based on manipulating time and if they can't get into the Star Wars galaxy or vice versa, how is the battle supposed to take place?

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
They show the Falcon fleeing from the Star Destroyer, first dipping down slightly, then back up. All the while, the Star Destroyer is firing constantly, sometimes missing as much as a ship's width. Using the high maneuverability of the ship, Chewie flies in a straight line as Han tries to fix the hyperdrive.

Wow. Now what ? You're going to tell me that the Stardestroyers miss ever second shot ? How does that have any impact if trillions of ships impact on the ST force when each of those ships is able to overload every ST shielding technology with a single shot and blast them into oblivions with the second ?

But that doesn't have anything to do with what I'm talking about except for the fact that the falcon was hit a disgraceful amount of times less than the number of shots fired for weapons that are supposed to approach light speed in velocity.

What part of "computers and humans have a certain reaction time" didn't you understand ? If a gun aims at a point in space (in this case the Falcon) and needs 1/1000 second to fire a ship with an sublight acceleration of 3500G+ can still move enough to one side not to get hit even when a shot near speed of light is fired.

I've read from multiple places that there was a force bubble and once place where they said it was a hyperspace barrier around the galaxy. So sue me. If the force flows through every living thing, then why didn't the Vong? Why did Onimi need to graft this animal's braincells onto his? If it's purely because of the midiclorian count, then there's no reason an engineered virus wouldn't suck for force users. Wait.. what am I arguing? This has nothing to do with time travel.

What part of "their own homeplanet did cut their entire force connection off" (which happend millenia ago) was it you didn't understand ?

That's quite different from taking form and joining the battle.

It can make a huge part of it's power accessable to a single being. That was the entire point. And not "spawn an avatar with 100 % of it's power".

Because guiding a few people here and there is hardly a groundbreaking feat.

And again: Force users, as the term implies "use" a small part of the force's actual power to do what they do. They obliterated armies, fleets and planets singlehandly using just a small part of the force's power. So would you please realize that if the force uses somebody for it's own purpose (in this case: saving the SW Galaxy) that being would be nearly unstopable.

How old is this living planet and why can't it be erased from time? And the vong could likely be dealt with some kind of engineered super-virus if need be.

What's so hard to understand here. A planet that has his own will, can travel through hyperspace at will and has an uber powerful avatar of the living force existing on it defending the planet, and can "produce" biological engineered ships superior to those of the Vong...how exactly is somebody going to hit it with some weapon. And basically you would have at least two of this planets since Sekot is an offspring of the Vong original homeworld.

And a engineered super-virus. Yeah. That's commonly used by Borg and Krenim, right ? Especially against people that breath in stuff that is highly toxic for other lifeforms and exhale it instakilling everybody arround them. That's not even asking how somebody is going to infect the Vong with it.

Waru would have no idea what's happening since he would be in the "present" and any changes in the timeline wouldn't be realised.

The dude has something like a black hole installed in his body. I wonder what trying to wipe his existance with a weapon would do...

Zonama Sekot can be erased like every other planet, it doesn't seem to be bright enough to avoid spaceships in the first place, and the process can just be repeated for the Yuuzhan Vong.

It didn't want to avoid the Vong and it knocked of Luke and his students when they approached it easily via the force. It basically kicked the ass of some of the most powerful force users the SW Galaxy has even seen. Somebody that could tear Stardestroyers into pieces with his force powers and wrecked an entire army of Yuuzhan Vong basically on his own. Sorry that I don't see the Krenim and / or Borg taking it down.

You've yet to prove the force can and will take an outright offense.

What the hell ? You inability to read is the only thing that's even more ridicoulus than your narrow-minded ST fanboyism. Again: Qui-Gon (and George Lucas) made it perfectly clear that the force has his own will and it kept on interfering in galactic events but of course - if some ST force arrives it will just watch getting destroyed.

And you ask me for prove. I'd like to see prove that the ST ships would be able to travel to the SW Galaxy in order to destroy it. Ups.

And what do you mean IF? The borg have shown to be able to go back in time, the entire krenim weapons systems were based on manipulating time and if they can't get into the Star Wars galaxy or vice versa, how is the battle supposed to take place?

Somewhere in the universe. And I love to see how the Borg and Krenim would manage to arrive exactly at the time they want to arrive in since they won't know anything about the SW Galaxy. I'd even say they would develop the idea first when they see the actual battle happening which they won't even survive long enough to travel back in time.

So you're basically arguing completely senseless figures to save the ST forces based on your own assumptions (which have to be all right of course), not accepting proof for other peoples opinions and that entire crap based on the nice assertion that the Borg / Krenim will develop the idea to destroy the entire SW Galaxy without having any reason (before a fight even happens). And since "in" or "after" the battle is equal with "Ups. Borg and Krenim don't exist any longer" I wonder how that is going to work.

With the same stupid logic I could say that the people that designed Centerpoint Station will just use it to throw planets through hyperspace on the planets the Krenim and Borg originated from before both even existed. Haha. SW still wins because having the longer history.

Originally posted by Borbarad
Wow. Now what ? You're going to tell me that the Stardestroyers miss ever second shot ? How does that have any impact if trillions of ships impact on the ST force when each of those ships is able to overload every ST shielding technology [b]with a single shot and blast them into oblivions with the second?[/b]

What part of "computers and humans have a certain reaction time" didn't you understand ? If a gun aims at a point in space (in this case the Falcon) and needs 1/1000 second to fire a ship with an sublight acceleration of 3500G+ can still move enough to one side not to get hit even when a shot near speed of light is fired.

What part of "their own homeplanet did cut their entire force connection off" (which happend millenia ago) was it you didn't understand?

It can make a huge part of it's power accessable to a single being. That was the entire point. And not "spawn an avatar with 100 % of it's power".

What's so hard to understand here. A planet that has his own will, can travel through hyperspace at will and has an uber powerful avatar of the living force existing on it defending the planet, and can "produce" biological engineered ships superior to those of the Vong...how exactly is somebody going to hit it with some weapon. And basically you would have at least two of this planets since Sekot is an offspring of the Vong original homeworld.

And a engineered super-virus. Yeah. That's commonly used by Borg and Krenim, right ?

Especially against people that breath in stuff that is highly toxic for other lifeforms and exhale it instakilling everybody arround them. That's not even asking how somebody is going to infect the Vong with it.

The dude has something like a black hole installed in his body. I wonder what trying to wipe his existance with a weapon would do...

It didn't [b]want to avoid the Vong and it knocked of Luke and his students when they approached it easily via the force. It basically kicked the ass of some of the most powerful force users the SW Galaxy has even seen. Somebody that could tear Stardestroyers into pieces with his force powers and wrecked an entire army of Yuuzhan Vong basically on his own. Sorry that I don't see the Krenim and / or Borg taking it down.[/b]

What the hell ? You inability to read is the only thing that's even more ridicoulus than your narrow-minded ST fanboyism. Again: Qui-Gon (and George Lucas) made it perfectly clear that the force has his own will and it kept on interfering in galactic events but of course - if some ST force arrives it will just watch getting destroyed.

And you ask me for prove. I'd like to see prove that the ST ships would be able to travel to the SW Galaxy in order to destroy it.

Somewhere in the universe. And I love to see how the Borg and Krenim would manage to arrive exactly at the time they want to arrive in since they won't know anything about the SW Galaxy. I'd even say they would develop the idea first when they see the actual battle happening which they won't even survive long enough to travel back in time.

So you're basically arguing completely senseless figures to save the ST forces based on your own assumptions (which have to be all right of course), not accepting proof for other peoples opinions and that entire crap based on the nice assertion that the Borg / Krenim will develop the idea to destroy the entire SW Galaxy without having any reason (before a fight even happens).

With the same stupid logic I could say that the people that designed Centerpoint Station will just use it to throw planets through hyperspace on the planets the Krenim and Borg originated from before both even existed. Haha. SW still wins because having the longer history.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
There was no 3500G+ maneuvering going on. The Millennium Falcon was moving in almost a straight line.

I love it how you overlook the point that even slight maneuvering will enable the Falcon to dodge shots. And you're still simply ignoring the fact that "mocking the aim of Stardestroyers" is pointless as well as you ignore the point that the Falcon still got hit for multiple times.

No... WHY doesn't the force flow through them? Or should I say... HOW doesn't it flow through them when the force is supposed to flow through every being?

How often do I have to explain that ? Their homeplanet removed their force connection completely and so the force didn't flow through them because the connection to the force was removed meaning the Vong weren't longer a part of the force.

I'm sure a bacteria with "force boon" is going to do a whole lot of good.

It doesn't matter if it's a bacteria or something else. Yoda surely doesn't look great, does he ?

They'd probably use the 4th dimension for it.

Which part of "dimension altering force powers" that "warp the space-time continuum" was it you did miss ? Sekot knocked the probably most powerful Jedi the SW universe has seen so far off without any effort via a force attack. What does it tell you when being A - famous for altering gravity, ripping ships into pieces and do all kind of impossible stuff - gets knocked out by being B via the force which enables being A to do all the stuff. Possibly that being B is more powerful and would just tear Borg and Krenim apart without any effort ?

It's not like the Borg are strangers to attacks on the cellular level.

It's not like the Borg would know something about the Vong, the functions of the Vongs organism and so on and would - once they encountered the Vong - have time to design a nice little super-virus. At least not if they can't survive artificial black holes hitting them with hyperspace velocity.

Being toxic in the first place doesn't make something immune to viruses or disease. And it can be delivered in a torpedo.

Borg encounter Vong. Borg are toast. Period.

If it's a natural part of his species, it will be erased with him. If it was placed in him, it wouldn't of been put in him in the first place because he wasn't there.

I still wonder how that nice Krenim weapons work. If they use any form of energy that will just be absorbed. And since Waru can make his skin penetrable this would basically be "firing a weapon into a black hole". Will that wipe the black hole from existance ?

You kept asking me to prove Star Trek technology would work in the Star Wars universe, I assumed the fight took place in or near it. If they're sealed in their own universes, then they can't fight at all, can they?

It can also take place near the ST universe or in an entire different place.

The borg and krenim won't trust battle reports? How stupid of them. And it's not like you need a gauge to tell how far to go back. Science can already roughly tell how old the universe is. They can go from there.

What battle reports ? If there is a space battle happening the entire ST forces (including Borg and Krenim) will get wiped within minutes. And what would "travel to the beginning of time" do, eh ? They have to be in a certain galaxy and destroy that certain galaxy unless you want to tell me that they will fly to the centre of the universe to a time before the universe existed (so to a time before time) and destroy the entire universe before it's existing in which case they would wipe themselves from existance too.

I didn't think the battle was set up like a boxing match. I thought it would either be in either a merged universe or both universes are kind of conjoined so it was sort of overlapping, one universe at each end and meeting in the middle. There aren't any rules to the battle, except Q isn't allowed, so I figure to use any crotch punching, eye gouging, hair pulling trick I felt like using.

And I've explained multiple times why that trick won't simply work and you refuse to understand it.

Does hyperspace allow you to transcend time now? To know exactly where to aim is something the people of the Centerpoint Station wouldn't know, which is different than just blowing everything up like I suggest.

They can toss planets around and since they existed ages before Krenim and Borg came to exist they would destroy everything before something exist to travel back in time. Isn't that funny. The SW universe can destroy the entire ST universe because it has the longer history so they can virtually destroy every species in ST before that species invents interplanetary travel. And again ST loses because Krenim and Borg which had never invented interplanetary travel can't travel back in time...ahahaha...

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
[B]...And TRSundown, you are obviously off of your rocker. ST science is pseudoscience at its best; bullshit fabrications most of the time. SW may be unrealistic, but ST is even further out in left field. Unless you have a rational scientific explanation for crystals powering warp drives, teleportation devices, the holodeck, the nature of shields and scanners, etc. I doubt that you can, really. SW may take liberties with science and science fiction, but St just flat out makes up its own rules.

And then there's the fact that you're basically saying this:

1- I believe/think/feel that ST tech is more realistic than SW tech.
2- I am making assumptions that the Federation and the Republic wouldn't go to war, despite the fact that the thread presupposes that they do.
3- I am writing a story (Not sure why that one even counts, but hey... trying to give your argument some meat here.)

Therefore, ST > SW.

WTF? Nonsense.

Oh dear oh dear... Listen up my friend... I'm not off my rocker. I didnt say that it was all probable physics... Of course things like Dilitheum crystals are where the fiction come in... but many many scientific studies have been done into the physics of warp drive, transporter technology, shields, and what not... and while not probable with current technology the basic physics of the technological ideas are sound.

You think ST makes up its own rules... what the hell are lightsabers, the force, brother and sister kissing... come on... ITS ALL FICTION!

I dont just think that ST is better than SW... I have done many comparisons, read tons of technical data, read numerous websites... and over all, when the day is done, I believe that ST technology is more sound than SW... it has nothing to do with me be a trekie... cause as far as my collectables go, my SW collection has an insurance apprasal value of about $11,500 while my ST collection value is only about $4,700... I LOVE them both.

Yes, I know the thread is all of SW vs all of ST... I dont care about that... If you were to take each out of their respective galaxies and toss them into a nutral galaxy, do you really think that Leia and Picard will just start shooting at eachother? Doubt it...

Not sure what your comment about a story is supposed to mean... are you bagging on my SW vs. ST story? I actually have many short stories that I have published... most based in the Robotech universe... its a hobby, whats wrong with that?

More comments as I read further...

WTF has your opinion on ST's tech have to do with this thread?

Let me elaborate on that: SW outnumbers, outguns, and outthinks tactically ST. WTF does your opinion on ST tech have to do with anything? I've read LOTS on both sides, and I was a fan of both for a long time. But I'm not going to be a Trekkie apologist and say "Their tech is sound" because that's bullshit.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Well honestly, if you include the Q continuum. Then SW gets Pwn't.

There is no way around it. They can do whatever they want. And they'd do it with humor too.

*Jedi comes running up with his lightsaber*
*Q snaps his fingers and the saber turns into a giant blue dildo*
*Q laughs at him and then sucks him into a black hole*

If you include the Q then there is nothing that anyone in the SW universe can do. Let the death star shoot at a Q, he could just snap his fingers and change his position with a death stars position effectually allowing the death star to destroy itself. Or he could just throw it into a star. Or shrink it to the size of a hot wheels car and carry it around with him so he can shoot little beams at Picard to annoy him.

Include Q and SW= Pwn't. You wouldn't even need anyone else in the ST universe.

I dissagree... I wrote this into one of my short stories NJO Luke vs. Q. I wish I had the time to look through this site to find that thread... If anyone knows where it is please post a link.

Anyways, I think with someone like NLO Luke it would be a one on one... with just your average jedi it would not be the same... Q would take them more easily.

Just my opinion.

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
WTF has your opinion on ST's tech have to do with this thread?

Let me elaborate on that: SW outnumbers, outguns, and outthinks tactically ST. WTF does your opinion on ST tech have to do with anything? I've read LOTS on both sides, and I was a fan of both for a long time. But I'm not going to be a Trekkie apologist and say "Their tech is sound" because that's bullshit.

Okay grow up and get a vocabulary...

I will give you my very best example of how SW technology fails compared to ST.

Empire Strikes Back... Imperial Probe Droid...

First, what military tactical idiot would design a piece of technology designed to scan a planet that actually does it from the surface of the planet. This is truth... not my opinion... WE HAVE SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY FROM 30 YEARS AGO THAT HAS BETTER OPTICS AND BETTER SENSOR TECHNOLOGY THAN AN IMPERIAL PROBE DRIOD.

Basic physics and tactics understand a thing called line of site... why would you scan a planet from the surface where you can only see at best several kilometers. Sensor, optics, and data transmission technology all works off line of site, I dont care what galaxy you are from.

And this is something you can not argue against... this is my field of work. Orbital Mechanics vs. ground based systems... no comparison.

So why with all there great technology does SW not know this... ST does.

This basic technological difference is only one example.

Also I want to point something else out... SW universe with all its cannon and non cannon material spans thousands of years... so in the early days (thousands of years ago) they have technology A... forward 1000 years and they still have technology A. The ST universe is only several hundred years old if you look at the most common (not including Borg and Q and species XXXX) species... Heck the Federation is only 300 years old and look how many technological advances are shown in just that amount of time. Forward their age to that of SW and just imagine what the possibilites are...

Oh and your comment about the SW-vs-ST.net site is very very wrong... The author of that site uses more physics and science to support is theories than any other site on the net. His math is sound, and if he finds himself wrong, he admits it and corrects his errors... although that does not happen often.

Sorry for the tripple post...

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
No use, Nai. He's in denial. If we start using facts, figures and logic his whole delusional world is gonna fall apart.

Face it "Swanky Tuna"... ST is pwned and you don't have jackshit to prove otherwise.

Unlike you... I have read through this whole thread... and from what I have seen, the ST supporters are the only ones that actually try to scientifically support their side and/or provide examples. The SW side just says we have more than you so we win...

I would LOVE to see some facts, figures and logic to support your side.

Since this thread is entitled ALL of SW vs. ALL of ST I will conceed that the SW universe greatly out masses the ST universe. Since we dont really know the true extent of the Q, the Borg, and Species XXXX I will not conceed that ST will loose... because there is great evidence that ST can hold its own...

Originally posted by TRSundown
Okay grow up and get a vocabulary...

I will give you my very best example of how SW technology fails compared to ST.

Empire Strikes Back... Imperial Probe Droid...

First, what military tactical idiot would design a piece of technology designed to scan a planet that actually does it from the surface of the planet. This is truth... not my opinion... WE HAVE SATELLITE TECHNOLOGY FROM 30 YEARS AGO THAT HAS BETTER OPTICS AND BETTER SENSOR TECHNOLOGY THAN AN IMPERIAL PROBE DRIOD.

Basic physics and tactics understand a thing called line of site... why would you scan a planet from the surface where you can only see at best several kilometers. Sensor, optics, and data transmission technology all works off line of site, I dont care what galaxy you are from.

And this is something you can not argue against... this is my field of work. Orbital Mechanics vs. ground based systems... no comparison.

So why with all there great technology does SW not know this... ST does.

This basic technological difference is only one example.

First off, you are hilarious. You always get all pissed off over this debate.

Second, that probe was sending a transmission across the galaxy, farther than most ST ships can reach in months if not years. The fact that it could operate that well after reentering the atmosphere and without being detected or being jammed by the Rebels IS impressive.

And don't try to poo-poo SW because of one instance in which you were being biased and not considering all angles.

Oh and your comment about the SW-vs-ST.net site is very very wrong... The author of that site uses more physics and science to support is theories than any other site on the net. His math is sound, and if he finds himself wrong, he admits it and corrects his errors... although that does not happen often.

You mean
this guy?

He's hardly a correct source. But instead of appealing to authority, perhaps you'd like to settle down and refute Mister Wong's rebuttal of Graham's incorrect results? Oh, and Graham actually has the equivalent of an American technical school diploma in physics, compared to say, a bachelor's at a real university or something respectible. Wong uses far more physics and science on his site, and has this.

Originally posted by jedi2187
Do I dare?

yeah, why not?

This one is for Swanky-Tuna!
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/FiveMinutes.html

Yes I have read that site... it has been torn apart numerous times.

Its like comparing apples and oranges.

There are several things I could say about this...

1. I could take it at face value and conceed that ST is not as powerful as SW. (I do not accept this though)

2. I could understand that these are two completly different universes and a gallon of gas in one might equal 10 gallons in the other... this roles into my next comment.

3. I could observe that the ST tech specs were more though out than SW and the designers/creators didnt just randomly throw numbers out.

Yes the SW numbers on this website outclass the numbers for ST, but if you take the scientifically supported and tested theories of SW-vs-ST.net and compare them to the numbers they just dont hold.

note: I am reading back through several pages that I missed which is why I keep posting... I am addressing comments as I read...

So you're going to argue in the face of canon stats on both sides just because you feel ST's are more reasonable? What kind of cocked up shit is that?

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
First off, you are hilarious. You always get all pissed off over this debate.

Second, that probe was sending a transmission across the galaxy, farther than most ST ships can reach in months if not years. The fact that it could operate that well after reentering the atmosphere and without being detected or being jammed by the Rebels IS impressive.

And don't try to poo-poo SW because of one instance in which you were being biased and not considering all angles.

You mean
this guy?

He's hardly a correct source. But instead of appealing to authority, perhaps you'd like to settle down and refute Mister Wong's rebuttal of Graham's incorrect results? Oh, and Graham actually has the equivalent of an American technical school diploma in physics, compared to say, a bachelor's at a real university or something respectible. Wong uses far more physics and science on his site, and has this.

Im not sure what you are talking about.. Im not pissed off... Im frustrated that SW people are so closed minded that they cant even consider the idea that ST is just as good.

Just cause I say you need a vocabulary does not mean that I am mad.

Okay... On to the probe droid... You dont know how far the transmission was going. There is nothing that states the distance traveled.

Second, your point about the droids survival of entry into the atmosphere and impact of the planets surface really hurts more than supports you. Where is the logic behind the design? Where is the purpose? How does it survive impact. There is no practical logic behind the design or how hit survives...

Third... If the droid is so advanced, then why did it miss a stationary target when it fired at Chewy? Advanced sensors, computer targeting... still missed. And its blaster bolt could not even penetrate a snow drift.

Forth... how did Han and Chewy sneak up on the probe driod if its sensors are so advanced? They were not more than 30 yards away from it and it had no idea they were there.

Fifth... It can survive impact into the survace of the planet yet it cant take a few blaster bolts so it blows itself up???? Humm...

I am not going to argue who's website is right and who's is wrong. They both have done great jobs of supporting their theories.

I have had these converstations before... with some of the most briliant minds in the country. The engineers I work with are some of the brightests around. Well educated, most having their PHD... and they can tear apart either side... but they usually tend to support ST more than SW. I know that does not mean much to you cause you were not there...

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
So you're going to argue in the face of canon stats on both sides just because you feel ST's are more reasonable? What kind of cocked up shit is that?

I'm arguing based on what I have seen on the TV and movies and read in the books.

The numbers just dont add up to what you see and read.

Originally posted by Borbarad
I love it how you overlook the point that even slight maneuvering will enable the Falcon to dodge shots. And you're still simply ignoring the fact that "mocking the aim of Stardestroyers" is pointless as well as you ignore the point that the Falcon still got hit for multiple times.

How often do I have to explain that ? Their homeplanet removed their force connection completely and so the force didn't flow through them because the connection to the force was removed meaning the Vong weren't longer a part of the force.

It doesn't matter if it's a bacteria or something else. Yoda surely doesn't look great, does he?

Which part of "dimension altering force powers" that "warp the space-time continuum" was it you did miss ?

Sekot knocked the probably most powerful Jedi the SW universe has seen so far off without any effort via a force attack. What does it tell you when being A - famous for altering gravity, ripping ships into pieces and do all kind of impossible stuff - gets knocked out by being B via the force which enables being A to do all the stuff. Possibly that being B is more powerful and would just tear Borg and Krenim apart without any effort?

It's not like the Borg would know something about the Vong, the functions of the Vongs organism and so on and would - once they encountered the Vong - have time to design a nice little super-virus. At least not if they can't survive artificial black holes hitting them with hyperspace velocity.

Borg encounter Vong. Borg are toast. Period.

I still wonder how that nice Krenim weapons work. If they use any form of energy that will just be absorbed. And since Waru can make his skin penetrable this would basically be "firing a weapon into a black hole". Will that wipe the black hole from existance?

It can also take place near the ST universe or in an entire different place.

What battle reports ? If there is a space battle happening the entire ST forces (including Borg and Krenim) will get wiped within minutes.

And what would "travel to the beginning of time" do, eh ? They have to be in a certain galaxy and destroy that certain galaxy unless you want to tell me that they will fly to the centre of the universe to a time before the universe existed (so to a time before time) and destroy the entire universe before it's existing in which case they would wipe themselves from existance too.

And I've explained multiple times why that trick won't simply work and you refuse to understand it.

They can toss planets around and since they existed ages before Krenim and Borg came to exist they would destroy everything before something exist to travel back in time. Isn't that funny. The SW universe can destroy the entire ST universe because it has the longer history so they can virtually destroy every species in ST before that species invents interplanetary travel. And again ST loses because Krenim and Borg which had never invented interplanetary travel can't travel back in time...ahahaha...

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
You mean
this guy?

Wow. Michael Wong is clearly in love with Graham Kennedy.

Cute. Can you come up with anything better than that?

Originally posted by Dark Aristokrat
Cute. Can you come up with anything better than that?