All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

Originally posted by docb77
here's a SW centric view of ST vs the borg.

http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/nuborg.html

This guy goes a lot further than I do. I only say that the questions aren't answered. He give's a very slanted view, but if you accept all the technical manuels, etc; he'd probably be right.

Yeah... I thought the site was pretty interesting. The guy dumbed down a lot of points and made many many assumptions but a lot of his examples were good and made a point. I think they chose the dumbest trekkie on earth to provide the argument but thats okay. Its just one more of many websites... There are an equal number that provide just as convincing of an argument for Trek...

The one thing that I really cant get over is how out of wack the tech stats are for SW. They are soooooo far off the scale it just blows my mind. I know its all fiction but there is no realism at all in the stats for SW.

I guess thats why its fantasy fiction...

Well, I suppose if you're looking for a more "real world" explanation of the movies, there are a couple of books you could read. It's been a while since I've seen them so I don't remember the authors, but the titles are "The Science of Star Wars" and "The Physics of Star Trek". There are similar books for superheroes, etc., but they don't pertain to this argument.

On a side note, the Falcon is in the background of the fight with the borg in First Contact as an easter egg.

Yeah... I looked... I magnified... I know the guy said he put it there... but there is no way to visually tell its the Falcon. The only proof we have is the guys word.

I ran into several arguments about this one... Trekkies were saying that since Trek had SW technology cause they had the Falcon there were several things you could conclude:

1. The Falcon was not doing any significant damage to the Borg cube therefore SW tech is inferior to at least Borg tech.

2. Since the Federation would not send a captured ship of alien technology into combat without reverse engineering the thing first you can conclude that ST knows of Hyperdrive but does not consider it an upgrade to warpdrive since hyperdrive is not seen in ST.

and the list went on and on... Trekkies like this give all us other Trek supporters a bad name.

Let me be the first "trekkie" to say that this is all crap... ALL CRAP...

This morons argument was that the films are canon!

Okay FIRST... this was an EASTER EGG!!!!!!! does not count as canon...

Second... this was an admitted "addition" by an ILM employee who happened to be working on ST FC.

So there it is... I just wanted to head this off before any of the other trekkies tried to argue this... I dont remember what site it was that I saw this stuff... but it was nuts...

Just my opinion... but I dont think you can even tell that the Falcon is in ST FC. Its just a grey blurr...

Haha, that's whacky but just shows how awesome it would be to work in special effects to leave screwy easter eggs. I found another messageboard that has some screencaps but they don't seem to work. The only thumbnail that you can see anything in does look a lot like the falcon.

http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php/topic/3/1690.html

It's like a bump and a few brushstrokes away from looking like the Defiant.

Yeah... those are the pics I saw... if the ILM employee had never said anything do you think anyone would have ever noticed...?

Star Trek is for smart people. Star Wars isn't for smart people, but smart people can still like it. They would probably like Trek more though.

Star Trek is for smart people? Or you mean, ridiculous technobabble sentences?

SW: "Your father's lightsabre. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster ... an elegant weapon, for a more civilized age."

ST: "Your father's fixed-length energy beam projection device. Devices like this were considered the primary close-quarters combat weapon of the Jedi Knights. This particular type of weapon requires a great deal of skill to operate, but its operating characteristics are weighted heavily toward high accuracy and repeatability. This type of weapon was well suited to the social and economic conditions prevalent in the ancient era in which it was popularized."

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SW: "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."

ST: "You should be careful to refrain from excessively optimistic tactical projections based on the operating parameters and characteristics of this battle station. There is a distinct possibility that the energy requirements for the destruction of an inhabitable planetoid may be significantly lower than the quantities of energy that can theoretically be yielded by tapping into the energy fields generated by living organisms."

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SW: "That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookies are known to do that."

ST: "It is exceedingly rare for people to be overly concerned with the threat of violent retribution from an android, after defeating them in a recreational game of strategy. This is due to the fact that there are no known incidents on record in which androids have forcibly dismembered their opponents following a defeat in such a recreational game. However, it is a matter of historical fact that the species known as wookies has a distinct tendency to react to strategy game losses in just such a manner."

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SW: "Travelling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations you'd fly right through a star, or bounce too close to a supernova, and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?"

ST: "There are significant differences in operating parameters between the process of engaging a hyperdrive propulsion system for a jump to superluminal speed, and the process of using aircraft to aerially distribute pesticides over agricultural territory. If you do not perform percise computations prior to the hyperspace jump, it is likely that your flight path will come within close proximity to dangerous celestial phenomena, such as a star or supernova. There is a high probability that a collision or close-proximity encounter with such a dangerous phenomenon would result in the premature termination of your journey."

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So yeah, ST is a bunch of overly long and less accurate words used to make the nerds' dicks harder than Japanese arithmatic. "Smart people" indeed.

Can you comprehend a Star Trek episode?

Thank you for proving my point. Even in your philistine pig-ignorance you did manage to do that much. Thank you.

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Are you for real? You are really showing your ignorance here.

The battle couldn't be fought anyway. There is different technology. In trek, they could beam a tri-cobalt device into the core of the death star, and boom! no more death star. The weaponry on the ships in Star Wars are basically lasers. Any ship in Star Trek could block against those with simple deflector shields. It would be a hiliarious battle.

Every ship from every race of people in Star Wars would get thier asses whomped by a fleet of Federation ships, granted they have enough photon torpedos. Phaser blasts would take far too long and be considerably less funny.

Originally posted by Lord Chariol
The battle couldn't be fought anyway. There is different technology.

Ah, here the Trekkie comes out.

In trek, they could beam a tri-cobalt device into the core of the death star, and boom! no more death star.

No, they wouldn't. The Death Star is a moon-sized metal spaceship with lead shielding and protection against weaponry and radiation. Star Trek transporters have been known to be shorted out by MINERAL ORES on strange planets. I doubt that they will successfully be able to scan the inside of the Death Star, transport something into it, and just be so damn successful that the entire war wouldn't happen because of this. This is hilarious. You obviously aren't up to snuff on the material.

The weaponry on the ships in Star Wars are basically lasers. Any ship in Star Trek could block against those with simple deflector shields. It would be a hiliarious battle.

You actually think that "Turbolasers" are really lasers? Wow. Talk about ignoramus. Check here for the information you lack. Then come back and make those bold claims.

Every ship from every race of people in Star Wars would get thier asses whomped by a fleet of Federation ships, granted they have enough photon torpedos. Phaser blasts would take far too long and be considerably less funny.

... Right. Glad you are an ignorant Trekkie.

How clever of you to idly dismiss all my claims.

Sure, I am a trekkie. Sure, you like Star Wars. It really isn't about who would win. It's about enjoyment. I think you should watch Star Trek with an open mind. Try the Next Generation or Voyager. Don't waste your time with the Original Series or Deep Space Nine or Enterprise.

Star Trek episodes, especially the Next Generation, have some really great stories to them. Some that don't have anything to do with the Star Trek universe.

For example, in a Voyager episode, the Intrepid class vessel comes to an elliptical shaped planet that is spinning incredibly fast. Voyager is caught in their orbit (because the graviational pull is so powerful) and, since the planet spins so fast, a year to Voyager would mean a millenia to the people on the planet. It's facinating.

I -have- watched ST extensively. I did like the series for a long time. But when Trekkies come out of the woodwork and proclaim it the greatest thing since sliced bread, it gets old. Especially in lieu of evidence.

Originally posted by Wesker
Star Trek is for smart people? Or you mean, ridiculous technobabble sentences?

ST: "Your father's fixed-length energy beam projection device. Devices like this were considered the primary close-quarters combat weapon of the Jedi Knights. This particular type of weapon requires a great deal of skill to operate, but its operating characteristics are weighted heavily toward high accuracy and repeatability. This type of weapon was well suited to the social and economic conditions prevalent in the ancient era in which it was popularized."

...

ST: "You should be careful to refrain from excessively optimistic tactical projections based on the operating parameters and characteristics of this battle station. There is a distinct possibility that the energy requirements for the destruction of an inhabitable planetoid may be significantly lower than the quantities of energy that can theoretically be yielded by tapping into the energy fields generated by living organisms."

...

ST: "It is exceedingly rare for people to be overly concerned with the threat of violent retribution from an android, after defeating them in a recreational game of strategy. This is due to the fact that there are no known incidents on record in which androids have forcibly dismembered their opponents following a defeat in such a recreational game. However, it is a matter of historical fact that the species known as wookies has a distinct tendency to react to strategy game losses in just such a manner."

...

ST: "There are significant differences in operating parameters between the process of engaging a hyperdrive propulsion system for a jump to superluminal speed, and the process of using aircraft to aerially distribute pesticides over agricultural territory. If you do not perform percise computations prior to the hyperspace jump, it is likely that your flight path will come within close proximity to dangerous celestial phenomena, such as a star or supernova. There is a high probability that a collision or close-proximity encounter with such a dangerous phenomenon would result in the premature termination of your journey."

...

So yeah, ST is a bunch of overly long and less accurate words used to make the nerds' dicks harder than Japanese arithmatic. "Smart people" indeed.

hee hee hee...the person saying that stuff sounds like either Data or..that Klingon guy in the next generation..WORF!! thats his name.

I wonder who win in a fist fight...Warf or Chewie?

rofl.... I think we just rehashed the first 20 pages or so of this thread. I guess what it comes down to is where are we getting our data, if we use technical manuals and such SW blows ST out of the water. If we just base it of what we see in the movies, it's closer, but I still think Wars wins because they've got more guns.

Way I see it the federation's only chance is to stay in warp and come up with a good way to do some warp strafing, but that's only gonna help so much when the empire is bombarding there main bases of operation. Can you say Base Delta Zero?

I think the only thign that can stand up to a Death Star is a borg cube. And even then I don't know how much damage a shot from the DS will do to it.

this is getting hot... it seems star wars is winning 😄

Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedi
I think the only thign that can stand up to a Death Star is a borg cube. And even then I don't know how much damage a shot from the DS will do to it.

Planet Alderaan w/ shield >>>>> Borg Cube.