All Of Star Trek Vs All Of Star Wars

Originally posted by DarkLord_981
Can this NJO Luke character and other such beings throw stars and make black holes? If so, that would seem to tip the favour of space battles toward SW. It would be difficult if ST ships had to continuously dodge stars with diameters of millions of kilometers while still shooting at the enemy. Before I thought that SW had the advantage in ground TROOPS, but that it was anyone's guess in space, but maybe not...

yeah, I don't think he can actually make black holes, and I as powerful as ancient sith were I don't know where people are getting that they could toss stars about like baseballs. People are saying that an ancient sith lord named Marka Ragnos could do it, but I haven't seen anything to verify that.

Darth Nihilus can drain the life from entire planets. He could do it to fleets too. Naga Sadow has the means to make stars go supernova and people like DE Sidious can obliterate entire fleets of ships. Exar Kun can freeze millions of people and Joruus C'Baoth can control tens of thousands of people's minds...

also palpy when back from dead can make lightning storm on entire planet. Also as I said earlier Si-kuu they have enchatement to put organics in vehicles. With this tech they can take 2 organics and control a frigate or 1 for a fighter and probally (this is a guess I have not finished book left it at school) like 4 for a capital ship.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Darth Nihilus can drain the life from entire planets. He could do it to fleets too. Naga Sadow has the means to make stars go supernova and people like DE Sidious can obliterate entire fleets of ships. Exar Kun can freeze millions of people and Joruus C'Baoth can control tens of thousands of people's minds...

and Q can blink his eyes and the SW galaxy dissapears...

but of course thats kind of dumb.

See the problem is (not that there is just one problem...) in SW there are lots of super beings like Exar Kun, Naga Sadow, NJO Luke, and the list goes on and on... they can do amazing things... powerful things...

In ST there are many similar beings... Q is the most powerful, who has seen everything in the universe and it all bores him... and we know there are many like him in the Q continuom... Q has been quoted saying that a new Q, without the proper training and upbringing, can accidentaly blink a galaxy out of existance...

So after all the tech is compared, and it really does not matter whos is better (since there are pro's and cons on both sides), and all the super beings are compared... who wins. The SW folks say that their super beings can take out ST and ST folks say that Q can blink SW out of existance... So who wins?

I personally like both sides... I like the ruggedness and fantasy in SW and I like the elegance and science in ST... whether the science is good or not...

So when the day is done... the SW folks are going to say they win... and the ST folks are going to say they win... it does not matter now much physics you know, or how good of a debater you are...

The two can not be compared... the physics cant be the same... and the odds cant be even...

How big is the SW galaxy... is it comparable in size to the ST galaxy... Maybe the SW galaxy is 1000 times bigger than the ST galaxy... who knows...

Does it matter that the Romulans in ST power their ships with quantum cingularities (artificial black holes)... does it matter?

I love them both... I think they are both cool escapes from reality. I pitty those and feel sorry for those that only like one or the other... cause they are missing out.

So thats it for me today... I will probably end up checking back here to see who is flinging the poo...

Peace...

Hmmm... I wish I could figure out how to use the quote function. And yes, I am fairly new to the whole forum thing. But I agree with TRS, SW has sheer size and raw power on its side, but ST has some really neat tech like their computers, consoles, and holodecks (this isn't an argument for ST supremacy, just my opinion on their tech). It would be SOOOO SWEET if you could put all these things on an SSD, or Leviathan from KOTOR I. And of course, the ultimate would be to be a sweet Jedi, or Sith and then go bust a few heads.

And in response to an earlier post, Transwarp is the primary form of travel for the entire borg fleet and several other species. From what I've seen, the Borg can cross the galaxy in minutes. Of course, the ST galaxy could be the size of my linen closet compared to the SW one, I'm not totally sure. Warp 10 may not be standard on ships, but you'd think they would want to exploit every advantage they could get their hands on.

And not to bring the whole temporal thing into debate again, but does SW have anything that could match or counter it? (This is just curiosity at the moment as I've never read any of the books.)

hey, come on... who's side are you on darklord981?

btw about Borgs

1 Jedi>999999 borgs

they have Destroy Droid remember?

ok we all have been comparing tech right. BUt it does not matter who has the better tech it matters who has better commanders and in some cases who has better commandos.

SW commanders: Thrawn and Revan
ST commanders: (Trekies help me out here)

That's what I've been saying, tech helps, but the rebel alliance was seriously outgunned and they still won, Same with the Federation VS Borg. So Tactics and determination count.

Originally posted by docb77
That's what I've been saying, tech helps, but the rebel alliance was seriously outgunned and they still won, Same with the Federation VS Borg. So Tactics and determination count.

The rebel alliance was the luckiest group of people ever... Any half assed general would have been able to defeat those guys, why Palpatine didn't is still beyond me. He constantly underestimated them.

No Argument on that battle, but Like Han Solo says, "Better lucky than dead."

But seriously, according to some sources Ackbar at least was on the level of some of the Imperial grand admirals. Not Thrawn of course, but he was good.

One more example: America vs. Britain in the revolutionary war.

In ST TNG (The Next Generation) you dont see a whole lot of fleet combat... mostly just ship to ship so you dont get to see Picards command abilities so its really hard to tell... In ST DS9 there is a whole lot of fleet combat but they still dont really take a deep look into the whole fleet command thing. From all the books I have read in the ST EU I still have not found a lot of fleet combat. It does exist, but they just dont focus in on it.

Plus you have to look at the ST style of fleet command. The ships in the ST verse are smaller than the capital ships in SW and in this sense, compared to the scale of SW capital ships, they act more like fighters, moving in for close combat, dodging in and out of each other.

The SW capital ships cruse along with very little maneuverability and just broadside eachother while the small fighters do all the zipping.

So the styles of fleet combat are greatly different. Thats not to say that ST does not have great tacticians, they are just not focused on like they are in SW.

(I am not bagging on either side by making these comments, nor am I saying that either side is better than the other, I am just pointing out the difference in the styles of fleet combat.)

Originally posted by docb77
No Argument on that battle, but Like Han Solo says, "Better lucky than dead."

But seriously, according to some sources Ackbar at least was on the level of some of the Imperial grand admirals. Not Thrawn of course, but he was good.

One more example: America vs. Britain in the revolutionary war.

Disregarding France of course, but anyway...

The size of the ships, power of the guns, and number of guns will not necessarily win a battle. If ST engaged SW on the open battlefield without using any of their special abilities like transporters, the thing from kobayashi maru, time travel, and a few other things, they would not win. HOWEVER, they would certainly cause destruction on a massive scale.

Some people on this forum contend that a single SD would walk all over ST, but that is unlikely. There are easily a few million ships outfitted with a wide variety of weapons, some of which are extraordinarily powerful. Depending on how many SW ships there are, they would probably lose a thousand star systems, and a million ships. There are way more ships in SW than the ones that would be lost, but it would still be a major blow to them and they would take decades to recover at a normal rate.

I know that STs biggest advantage, Q, isn't in this discussion, but I wanted to go over something. Some people are saying that we don't know what all of his powers are, so we can't assume that he would be powerful as a war machine. I'm pretty sure that in one episode Q was worried that a Q in TRAINING would ACCIDENTALLY destroy an entire galaxy, maybe even more. I'm pretty sure that most of the people in SW are in the same galaxy, so poof... no more galaxy. And there is a whole race of Qs to take care of any more galaxies. We do know that that is within their power, but we don't know how powerful they really are. It is possible that they could destroy the ST Universe if they go together, but we don't know for sure, so it isn't worth arguing.

If someone could point me in the direction of the page that gives speeds for Hyperspace and SW and ST powers in Megatonnes or whatever, that would be great. I thought it was on this site, but I can't find it. I know it has been quoted several times.

Sorry, just disregard the last part. I found the site, it was on Stardestroyer.net. I'm not sure of the conversion from Joules, or Watts to Megatons. A tiny antimatter warhead (photon torpedo), massing in at just over 1 kg, would theoretically produce 1.8x10^17 J, or that many watts for one second. That's about 180 million billion watts or 180 million gigawatts. If there was 10kg of antimatter, than number climbs to 1.8 billion GW. The photon torpedoes seem to be slightly more powerful than most of the standard lasers in SW, and they fire just as fast it seems. Unfortunately, they would run out of torpedoes, whereas SW just keeps making more laser bullets.

If someone here knows the conversion from Joules or Watts to tons, that would be great.

The species in ST that could stand up to SW are the Borg, Species 8472 and Q.

and in Star wars, we've got the Yuuzhan Vong, the Chiss, the Si-ruuk, and the yevetha to counter the first 2. If there are any omnipotent races in SW to match Q though they haven't shown themselves yet.

Originally posted by docb77
and in Star wars, we've got the Yuuzhan Vong, the Chiss, the Si-ruuk, and the yevetha to counter the first 2. If there are any omnipotent races in SW to match Q though they haven't shown themselves yet.

How much do you know about Species 8472? Hm?

Saw them on voyager, best you could say about them is that they can blow up a borg cube without much effort. They also prove that the borg can't automatically be assumed able to assimilate any alien tech. However, they are alive so the Si-ruuvi empire would love to "entech" them. They take lifeforces to power their vessels.

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actually, didn't they use strictly organic tech? Them and the Vong might actually get along...

Tell us what the Yuuzhan Vong and those other races do so we can decide for ourselves. Veneficus might know, but I'm lost. Whithout additional information, I have no way to counter them.