Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
this is getting hot... it seems star wars is winning 😄
The only reason Star Wars is winning is because this is a Star Wars forum. If you put it on a Star Trek forum then Star Wars would get raped. I think it is just safe to say, as a compromise, that Star Wars has way better movies, but Star Trek, overall, is better.
What's the point in arguing past that?
Originally posted by Lord Chariol
The only reason Star Wars is winning is because this is a Star Wars forum. If you put it on a Star Trek forum then Star Wars would get raped. I think it is just safe to say, as a compromise, that Star Wars has way better movies, but Star Trek, overall, is better.What's the point in arguing past that?
Uh... cuz it's your subjective opinion? Subjective + opinion = nonfact.
Originally posted by Lord Chariol
The only reason Star Wars is winning is because this is a Star Wars forum. If you put it on a Star Trek forum then Star Wars would get raped. I think it is just safe to say, as a compromise, that Star Wars has way better movies, but Star Trek, overall, is better.What's the point in arguing past that?
Because it's nonsense and any competent debator can rape a Trekkie in a point by point debate.
Please... Lord Chariol, you are REALLY not helping. This thread is a place where you can come and debate using "facts" from the movies, shows, and technical manuals. Saying that one thing is simply better than the other is simply articulate emotion. It cannot be proven, and it makes Star Trek supporters look like they are all incapable of a proper debate. Of course, if you'd like to do a little research and provide reasons WHY ST would win, feel free.
Originally posted by Lord Chariol
No.Star Trek has the shows, many episodes of which kick the holy hell out of the Star Wars movies. (not A New Hope or Empire Strikes Back, those rule)
Lord C... Here is the problem with your arguments... Where is your proof... its that simple.
You comments about lasers not affecting ST shields... well thats right... but look in the ST tech manual at the power output of a regular ST laser vs the power output of a SW turbo laser. The second problem with this argument is that the lasers in ST are based on laser light... just like the laser pointers you use in class... just more powerful. The "lasers" in SW are actually a highly charged gas bolt. So in essence they are not "lasers". They are just called that for lack of a better term.
Now on the other hand you have the Imperial Probe Droid. A device designed to scan a planet for life or what ever is being looked for... Hail SW for designing the droid to survive entry into the atmosphere and surviving planetary impact (our deep impact comet material collector did the same thing... whoopy). Okay so thats SW big argument for the probe droid... it survived a violent impact... oh and it transmits images across the galaxy (okay... you got ST there...)... now lets get into where this IMP (Imperial Probe Droid) just really blows... Dont you think it would be a lot easier to design a satellite that orbits a planet and scans instead of scans from the surface. A satellite can scan a whole planet in a matter of hours while a probe droid can only scan as far as it can see to the horizon (maybe two or three dozen kilometers at best). Satellite technology is by far superior to the IPD and ST knows this. The IPD is a falted piece of technology that no SW supported can argue against. Its design is not suited for its purpose.
Your transporter argument does not work either. Yeah a ST vessel might be able to beam a matter/antimatter bomb into the death star... but not to the core. The Death Star is too dense. It might be able to beam a few hundred meters under the surface at best... and thats assuming that the ST vessel can get through the shields. Now if you use the ST phased cloaking device you could cloak your ST ship, phase through the superstructure of the DS all the way to the core, beam a timed warhead into the core, phase back out, and boom... DS gone. But phased cloaking devices are not a common comodity in ST.
As far as the Borg go... I have written several short stories on how I think the battle would proceed... Here is an exerp from them in reguards to the Borg:
Worf – “Captain… You have to see this! On Screen!”
The captain watched as the thousands of Borg ships began to move in on each other. They began to move as one as ship by ship they were joined together. Within minutes their mass was almost half the size of a Death Star and continued to grow.
Picard – “My god. Are they with us or against us.”
Worf – “The Borg did not declare any side. They continued to repeat resistance is futile and then cut their transmission when the Imperial Fleet arrived.”
Data – “Sir, the Borg sphere is moving out of the fleet. They are on an intercept course with Death Star 3.”
Picard – “They are entering the engagement before our fleets are ready.”
Akabar – “Captain. These Borg… Can they be trusted?”
Picard – “Not at all Admiral. But the Borg are set on conquest. They desire to assimilate all life into their collective. They probably assessed the Imperial Fleet as the greatest threat and plan to conquer them first before they turn on us.”
Worf – “Captain… On screen.”
Captain Picard and Admiral Akabar watched as the massive Borg sphere approached Death Star number 2. The Death Star rotated and fired a shot from its massive planet killing weapon. The beam pierced the massive hull of the Borg Sphere, which was now the size of the Death Star, and vaporized over 40% of the Borg vessel. Moments later the remains of the Borg Sphere seemed to shatter as the thousands of smaller Borg Cube ships that had merged for form the sphere separated from each other and swarmed on the Death Star. The Death Star seemed to grow in size as ship after Borg ship attached themselves to the Imperial fortress. In moments you could see Borg technology growing over the hull of the Death Star.
Picard – “Admiral… If the Borg assimilate that Death Star they will be unstoppable. We must destroy that station!”
Akabar – “We have a squadron of ships navigating to its core as we speak Captain. If they fail you may have to use the Pegasus again.”
Riker – “Captain. I don’t know if the phased cloaking devise can withstand the energy of another explosion of that magnitude, But we are ready if we are needed.”
Moments later the second Death Star ripped apart from the inside by a massive explosion. Two thirds of the massive sphere was destroyed leaving a burning wreck of hull floating in space. Suddenly thousands of Borg vessels started exploding taking Federation, Republic, and Imperial ships with them.
Data – “The massive destruction of such a high number of Borg must have disrupted their collective. This disruption must have been enough to cause a catastrophic meltdown of the Borg consciousness causing their destruction.”
Worf – “They are not all gone sir. Sensors indicate over 700 Cubes still remaining. They must have restored their collective before it could affect them.”
Just my opinion on the case at hand... but I think its possible.
If you look at the two technical manuals I truly believe there is, what I call, an apples vs. oranges in energy output comparisons. the numbers stated for SW are astronomical in comparison with ST but in comparison of the two galaxies it just does not support this vast of a difference. The way I see it is the way it is written is that in the ST universe 1 megawatt is equal to 10 megawatts in the SW universe. Now I dont know if it is actually a 1:10 ratio, that is just an example, but I really think the evidense supports it. A Star Destroyer is by far more powerful than a galaxy class star ship but it is proportionately more powerful. The SD is ten times the size/mass of a Galaxy class ship so of course its going to be more powerful. Duhh... I am working on the math to try and present this in a more logical manner... more to come later...
So Lord C... you must provide support for your arguments. You cant just watch the shows an throw out an opinion based on that... Oh and just so your not confused... I support the ST side of things...
Originally posted by Blaxican_Jedi
I wonder who win in a fist fight...Warf or Chewie?