Darth Malak Vs Luke Skywalker(ROTJ)

Ass.... lol...I was about to make fun of you.

Well, you're a non-believer in the greatness that is George Lucas! lol
I only say it that way because Lucas is argueably the most revolutionary film maker ever. I mean companies like ILM and Pixar weren't started by just anyone.

Of course. But his movie making greatness hasn't been enough to sell me on a few items. I'll live my life a nonbeliever until he says something that will convince even me.

Don't hold your breath.

Well, what if Yoda flat out tells Anakin that in the movie? I'm not saying I know or anything, I'm just saying I have read a couple ROTS novels...

Don't hold your breath? Sounds like Yoda is using Force SBD tactics.

No, really... Yoda couldn't see the dark lord of the sith right above his nose. I have to take his words with a grain of salt. Prophecies are weak facts to work with, period. It'd be like walking up to someone and telling them that Mohammed could pwn Alexander the Great because Mohammed's a prophet. The person will be like "Pfft! Fanatic!" and remain unconvinced.

Yes, but the prophecy still happened, didn't it? And who still was the chosen one? anakin.

I don't know. Did the prophecy happen? what does it say specifically? Can you prove to me it was even fulfilled? That is, without GL's words to back it up? What good's a story plot point if it has no backing?

I see your point, but your point also gives me a dark thought.
What if Lucas re-does the ending of Jedi and has Yoda and Obi-Wan speak about the prophecy? Ewww...

That would be icky. Not fun.

Hm. Well, even if I have to grudgingly admit the prophecy is a part of Star Wars UNiverse, I will forever hate it, and still vote for someone other than Anakin unless I'm convinced Annie could whup ass.

Annie will whoop ass, don't you worry. Episode 3 he beats ass before he turns darkside. He proves why he's such a good pilot and he ***** slaps Count Dooku.

I seen pics of him whupping Dooku. That is amazing. I've never doubted that Anakin was amazingly powerful with the Force. I just always felt he lacked the control of a true master, and that in turn makes him a lot like a failed experiment.

I can see that, but he never learns control because Obi-Wan never identifies with his truest problems, like love, his mother, and his need to be accepted.

Hard concepts for Obi Wan to identify with. Obi Wan didn't know his mother. He wasn't apparently afflicted with love or lust (I chalk up Anakin's obssession with Padme to lust, sorry) and the need to be accepted must seem petty to a Jedi Knight. Perhaps then, if Obi Wan is lacking in the skills to identify, the problem still lies with the Jedi Order and the council.

I admit Anakin lusts after her, but episode 3 will show that he loves her, but his love makes him blind to the overall problems going on, and that's how Sidious tricks him.

I agree, the Jedi council needed to adept in their views as the years went on. The Sith did, and that's how they took over the galaxy again.

Well, Vader was weaker as a machine but lets compare fighting: Vader killed dozens, maybe hundreds of Jedi knights in hand to hand combat. Malak defeated 1 and finished off two others (who might have been dying already.) Malak did serve in the Mandalorian Wars and that is pretty good but Anakin was a general in the clone wars and against the Rebellion. He is still a Sith Lord to Darth Sidious. Malak probably would’ve ordered a shock trooper to fight for him in those battles. Not only that, but Luke wasn’t just sitting around for the 4 years between ANH and ROTJ, Shadows of the Empire for example.

As for your whole put them in each other’s shoes, Malak would have taken down Jabba’s palace but wow, is that really an accomplishment? Vader may have been more machine but his raw power alone keeps him very powerful. Same for Luke who was a JEDI KNIGHT. He was taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda over a span of 4 years. A fool barely coming to his powers? Even if that were true, he would still have immense raw power and might be able to defeat malak. Unless in KOTOR 3, we see some flashback of Malak killing some awesome Jedi or something, there’s just not enough evidence of his power compared to Luke’s. Luke defeated a powerful Sith Lord with ease and resisted Darth Sidious’ Force Lightning for a good while. Malak defeated a Jedi Knight and killed some Jedi that were close to death. So yes, ROTJ would probably crush Malak like a tin can.

Glentract: glad to hear you finished KOTOR. However, the more official ending is that Revan returned to the Dark Side. Oh and who said that Malak was one of the most gifted and respected Jedi in the order? I believe you I just cant remember who said it.

It's out of a quote somewhere. I recognize it too. In any case, the whole "Luke killed a powerful Sith lord with ease" is ridiculous. Let me get this across to you in case you didn't pick this up watching the movies... VADER LET HIS SON GET THE BETTER OF HIM. Why? He was trying to fuel the hate in his own son. He was trying to make Luke stronger and to make him embrace the darker side of his amazing potential. But take a long good look at Luke's skills in that batttle. He's swinging that lightsaber like a blindfolded kid under a pinata. Now look at Malak, who was second in command to Revan above all other potential Sith apprentices... He could move that lightsaber in ways I couldn't imagine. He was a Jedi Guardian, large, powerful, imposing, and well versed in combat and warfare.

I can understand attachment to characters like Vader and Luke, but man... He's just a kid in a Jedi's shoes.

Originally posted by Kun-ni Habeo
"ur a dickhead"

if ur talkin to me, u can do a little bit of shuttin the f*ck up, you dirty-@$$ vaG face.

if not, well, shut the hell up anyway.

Luke is a kid in Jedi shoes lol

BUT, he's the entire source of the lightside in ROTJ. There's no one else, no one. It's all up to him to turn Vader back and/or kill Sidious. He may be a kid in some big shoes, and you are right Janus, he swings extremely madly and wildly.

But, if he were fighting someone who wasn't his father, and didn't know all of those things about him, he might actually win.

2jackstain

did your momma teach you that?cuz when i saw her last time she didn't talk that dirty to me.
oh btw ur a dickhead it took 3 days for you to realise that i insulted you.