could both of u stop being 3 year old kids. u know that smart saying: The smarter one stopes. so plz, both of u stop it.
anyways, every1 keep saying that luke hold out 30 seconds of lightning.
ok fine lets play it that way: Malak holded out 30 of my lightnings, a few mines and some saber strickes and add to that some other force powers like wave and drain, so luke gets owned here.
then, he supposebly defeated a great sith lord with ease. wtf make vader great sith lord? conquering the weak republic? no sidious did that. killing hundrets of jedi? maybe, but again sidious took care of the powerfull ones.
luke defeating sidious if he had the saber? great joke indeed. yoda couldnt beat sidious and im pretty sure all of us agree that yoda is more powerfull then luke.
luke being a jedi knight? wat ****ing ever, so was malak. luke became jedi master? agan wat ****ing ever, malak became sith lord.
those ****ing jedi who was supposebly half dead....how the **** do u know they were half dead? and wat if they were masters? u just dont know it. also, a ****ing game was made about luke, and all he did, is get his arm cut off, kill a few stormtroopers, and then noobishly bash vaders hand off.
im pretty sure that if a game was made about malak, he would have done more then that. now in the beginning some1 said luke could oppose exar kun. i was lmao, exar was one of the greatest sith lords ever, all luke could do is suck his co*k.
and yet again i say it, he held power for 2 and half years, and the mantle of the sith lord was only taken from him by revan, who would, just like exar, own luke. in 2 and half years, im pretty sure a lot of apprentices came and gone, yet none were able to defeat him.
Malak would own luke
oh and 1 more thing.......its enough to say that malak is ancient sith lord and luke is modern jedi knight.
jeez Naga, its just a forum. There's no need for language. Anyway you did an excellent job on your argument, well done. We cant really compare the game mechanics to the movies though. They had to make the final boss hard and he did use force immunity. Without that Force powers would rip him apart.
Yeah, I guess Luke really couldn't have competed with Sidious even if he was a lot older. Vader was a powerful Sith Lord though. He killed every Jedi he came up against save for Luke (to my knowledge). Malak defeated one for sure. and your right, Malak may have defeated those Jedi in combat and they may have been masters. But there's no proof. Besides, where did they come from anyway. I was under the impression that you were among the first Jedi to land on the Star Forge. Not to mention how in the world did they get past Malak's defenses. Malak said that it was very rare for a Jedi to defeat his droids until he heard that it was Revan. Back on subject though, Vader could stop blaster bolts with his hand. I truly doubt Malak could do that. Though it may not be much of an accomplishment since KOTOR 2...
But about your statement of Luke only killing stormtroopers etc., that was only in the movies and what did Malak do? He ordered just about everyone else to fight the Jedi. All we know he did is he defeated Bastila, and lost to Revan.
And about your "he held power for 2 and a half years." what are you talking about. He was Revan's apprentice for 2 years if your counting that but he was only the Dark Lord for almost a year. So there weren't that many apprentices. Besides, all of those guys were weaklings anyway. Bastila, Bandon, and those 3 dark jedi (dark revan only) were all weaklings that could easily be killed by the Force or lightsabers without losing even half of your life.
I respect your opinion and your reasons but I haven't seen enough of Malak's accomplishments. Until then, I'm sticking with ROTJ Luke.
Those are the accomplishments you see in game, but what about the thigns you should just know...
Revan was seen as the tactical genius, Malak was only important because he could fight. Its often said that Malak and Revan would join the Republic troops on the front lines against the Mandelorians... Mandelorians that were a lot more powerful then any stormtrooper.
And yes you can say that you never saw Malak do anything then kill a few Jedi and order people around, but neither did Sidious, and you still all seem to think that he would own luke.
Malak has fought dozens of Mandelorians, and as the apprentice of the Dark Lord it is almost impossible if he had never faced Jedi knights... If he didn't then the Jedi were just a bunch of weak idiots that could do no real harm... And even if he didn't face Jedi then a lot of Sith did. Guess who was the master of those Sith? If you are stronge then the master you kill him. Because of that Malak was more powerful, he probably killed hundreds of mandelorians and dozens of Jedi... It could hardly be any other way...
He was just more powerful then Luke could was in ROTJ.... Not to mention that he actually completed his training and had a lot more experience then luke could even dream of at that time
Originally posted by Fishy
Those are the accomplishments you see in game, but what about the thigns you should just know...Revan was seen as the tactical genius, Malak was only important because he could fight. Its often said that Malak and Revan would join the Republic troops on the front lines against the Mandelorians... Mandelorians that were a lot more powerful then any stormtrooper.
And yes you can say that you never saw Malak do anything then kill a few Jedi and order people around, but neither did Sidious, and you still all seem to think that he would own luke.
Malak has fought dozens of Mandelorians, and as the apprentice of the Dark Lord it is almost impossible if he had never faced Jedi knights... If he didn't then the Jedi were just a bunch of weak idiots that could do no real harm... And even if he didn't face Jedi then a lot of Sith did. Guess who was the master of those Sith? If you are stronge then the master you kill him. Because of that Malak was more powerful, he probably killed hundreds of mandelorians and dozens of Jedi... It could hardly be any other way...
He was just more powerful then Luke could was in ROTJ.... Not to mention that he actually completed his training and had a lot more experience then luke could even dream of at that time
Excellent points, especially about Sidious. I realize people like Luke, but the deal here is he was still a farmboy with a long way to go in ROTJ.