Originally posted by hunchy
We never said the movements of the clone troopers were bad. Stopping putting words in our mouths. I said that they LOOKED bad. Now, if it wasn't in a partly live action movie, they'd look great, and they even look good in some shots, but overall they just look fake compared to real people.
Never said YOU said it. But a few people did.
Originally posted by tlbauerle
The only real problem I have with that shot...and most of the sequence...is that the buildings don't look wet. They are shiny...but don't look like they have so much rain dripping off them. Some digital double shots are poor...but this one shot I can live with.
Definetly agree there. Its a tiny detail, but certainly noticable.
Woo, you cannot compare Gollum to Yoda at all.
Gollum was basically a recreation of something that existed, Yoda was done from scratch. To elaborate:
Gollum's parts were ALL acted out carefully by a talented actor and later animated to match the performance.
On the prequels, the animators themselves are the performers, they animate how they think the character would act rather then following what an actor did.
It may sound stupid, but comparing Yoda and Gollum is pretty far fetched, since there are worlds between the two of them, simply in terms of concept.
And quite frankly, I never thought Gollum was that needed. If they'd put proper makeup on a skinny actor, there would have been no need for him to be CG.
I also don't understand why people seemingly have no problem with a lot of the FX in LotR. While, as in the prequels, a lot of them were very, very good, there were quite some that were just awfully terrible (fancy that, just like in the prequels!)
If most of the wide angle battle shots from TTT would have been in AOTC, I am pretty sure that A LOT of people in this thread would hate them to death.
But of course it is pretty popular to like everything labelled "Peter Jackson" and "Lord of the Rings" at the moment, so I see where this is coming from...
There were a lot of shots in LOTR that are just horrid! CG Legolas slaying the Elephant looked awful. The scene in the extended cut where a bunch of skulls falls on them in the cave is a good example of bad miniature work, as are a couple of shots in the scene where the trees flood Isengard. They just looked like... well, miniatures.
Sorry to double post, but that shot from hunchy is very fine in my opinion. What the heck is wrong with it?
If you wouldn't know it's a digital double, would you ever assume it looks bad? I doubt to say, definitely not.
The buildings are miniatures and they were probably wet on the shoot.
So why are people seeing flaws when there are none at all?
Seriously, if that's the kind of shot you have problems with, then I am NOT going to be any part of this discussion anymore, because that's just plain ridiculous.
Hey, come on now, were all allowed our opinions...
I don't actually see anything wrong with that particular shot, but there are parts in that sequence that didn't look too hot...
edit: actually, I just rewatched the scene and the only shot I have a (small) problem with is when Obi Wan kicks Jango off the platform.. just doesn't look real, other than that the effects are fine. I think the digital double shots in that sequencce is fine. I just don't particularly think it's very well cut together piece... especially the beginning
Oh man, I've noticed how bad some people's tastes are on here. You think I'm following a trend because I think Gollum is better than Yoda CGI wise. I never heard of that trend before, but okay.
In fact if I wanted to be trendy, I would hate the prequels altogether, which I don't. I like them despite my criticisms.
Saying you could just put makeup on someone to create Gollum is absurd. Have any of you actually seen ROTK? There is a transformation part where Andy Serkis turns into Gollum, and one part is makeup and not only that but it looks pretty bad actually. Gollum moves and looks unlike anything human. Impossible to have a real person do this, and make it look good. Gollum is far superior to Yoda. Yes, they used motion capture, but I am NOT talking about his movements. Just like the clonetroopers, its not about how they move like Dodo said, but what the end result is. Gollum LOOKS great. In fact, so great does he look, that my friend's dad mistook him for a real person. Yoda is good, but Gollum is way greater, looks, movement, everything, hands down.
Now, on that picture I posted before, my problem with it wasn't the poles, it was Jango Fett himself. He looks horrible. You can totally tell he's CG. And stop trying to say that I'm picking it apart because I know its CG. I did not watch any making of before seeing Episode 2, its freaking obvious when you watch it that he's CG and horrible CG at that. In fact, that shot I found was actually the best shot from that scene. Anyone know of a webpage with tons of screenshots from the movie, because I can't find any that I specifcally want to mention. I searched on google for that, and was the closest thing I could find to what I was trying to explain.
Enough of this, LOTR is popular to like thing going on. Not only do I not give a shit what the trend is, I can see for myself that LOTR is far superior to Star Wars fx wise, thus its three wins at the oscars, beating out Star Wars. Yes, there are bad shots in LOTR, but nothing compared even to Star Wars's bad shots.
Plus not only that, but Star Wars can get away with more because its a world all of its own, whereas LOTR is real life and harder to make things look real, because your comparing it to it, so that should show also how superior LOTR is...
Can't take bashing good things, or is that you just realized how great Gollum looked?
No, to each its own. Everyone's opinion matters, I just wanted to explain what I thought so you'd better understand my points. Thank you for you guys though who do continue to back me up...its always nice to have support.
some examples of good and bad CG:
#1 CG Clonetroopers... what more is there to say?
#2 Ick, I really don't like these troopers.. It just really annoys me that they didn't make any costumes. If you don't think that this looks bad then we have very different tastes
#3/#4 Doesn't look real enough for me... when I can tell it's CG, I hate it.
#5 Now, I actually don't have a problem with this shot but I know many do. I think it's good CG work
#6 This shot bugs me for some reason... looks so fake.
#7 Motion blur but a great example of good CG work... the Geonosians are the best CG in the film!
#8 AHHH! CG 3PO!
#9 AHHH! CG Jango! in one of his worst shots of the film! And that whole sequence is just really stupid...
#10 ahh, Poggle... superb!
#11 More Poggle... but also look at Nute, great costume...
#12 see, why don't the Eopie's look this good!?!
#13 eww, more CG Jango! but that bull thing looks good... what's it called again?
Originally posted by hunchy
and then there's this:...
You purposely put a bad shot of Yoda to compare to Gollum. Yoda looks A LOT better than that in most shots. Yes, I will agree, there's something about Gollum that makes him superior to Yoda, but consider this:
WATTO vs. GOLLUM?
I think Watto is one of the best CG characters.
