Revenge of the Sith- Oscars? (Merged)

Originally posted by hunchy
and then there's this:...

yeah, this one looks better. Sorry, it just does, and they had to make it look like a puppet, not a really skinny short guy. They had to get all of the OT puppets screw ups in there, to make sure it still moved and looked like it. I can't believe you said Gollum looks unlike anything human, he's just a skinny pale guy with an oddly shaped head. Looks pretty damn humanoid to me. Yoda had more texture, life like coloring, more realistic eyes (gollums look like Pixar), better expressions that are less cartoony than Gollum's. Yoda was just better...the differences in quality are minor, but there none the less.

Originally posted by CBright7831
I really don't know why some scenes of Jango were CGI. I mean, goddamn, is it that hard to jump down from something, point your gun, and say "Don't move, Jedi! Take hime away!"

the ENTIRE droid factory chase scene was done in pick ups and Temura Morrison was not available at the time, so a digital double was done instead.

Everyone has their own opinions. Yes Gollum is close to human, but he stil differs. Not only that but he just LOOKS great. Yoda does not. He looks very cartoony, and yes you actually brought up a good point-Gollum looks more like Pixar (while he is even better than Pixar as my friend's dad had figured he was a real person), well Pixar is great, far better than Yoda. Yoda looks very cartoony, and well Gollum could pass for being very very very close to being real.

As for the droid factory scene being done in pickups. Guess what, since obviously they had his voice saying the line, they could have easily have shot a guy standing in his suit...its called a stand-in, not too hard to do. It just shows that Lucas is lazy and likes to slap things in digitally last minute so it looks like shit.

i think you guys need to give your head a shake, or pull it out of your ass. one or the other
did you know that during the kamino fight at one point Obi-wan is digital and you can't tell, are you guys watching the movie frame by frame? when I watched the behind the scene stuff and found out what was cg and blue screen I was totally amazed and couldn't tell the difference, you would figure if the shots bother you that much you wouldn't go see them anymore.
for the record Yoda looks frigin awsome. and so does gollum.

Hey now, everyone has their own opinions. Some people think some CG looks good, some people think it looks bad. I had not watched a making of, and I did not go frame by frame, what I found bad the first time I found bad every other time. I DID notice that Obi Wan was CG in the Kamino fight as he's being dragged along, and whetnot, and it looks very cartoony as well.

Now as far as Yoda...for the record...I think he looks very good for CG, okay? But I think what ruins it for me is that I loved the puppet, and have seen the OT a million times, so my image of Yoda is mostly from ESB. Seeing him more cartoony and CG, makes him look and feel a little different, not so old, more flexible, etc....So I think its more that Yoda is CGI that gets me, rather than that its actually bad CG.

Originally posted by hunchy
Hey now, everyone has their own opinions. Some people think some CG looks good, some people think it looks bad. I had not watched a making of, and I did not go frame by frame, what I found bad the first time I found bad every other time. I DID notice that Obi Wan was CG in the Kamino fight as he's being dragged along, and whetnot, and it looks very cartoony as well.

Now as far as Yoda...for the record...I think he looks very good for CG, okay? But I think what ruins it for me is that I loved the puppet, and have seen the OT a million times, so my image of Yoda is mostly from ESB. Seeing him more cartoony and CG, makes him look and feel a little different, not so old, more flexible, etc....So I think its more that Yoda is CGI that gets me, rather than that its actually bad CG.

took the words right outta my mouth 😄

and I don't think all the CG is bad, there is definitely some good stuff in there. I just think the bad stuff out-weighs the good.

Exactly too. There is good stuff, but the bad does outweigh the good.

FYI Yoda is supposed to be, not so old and more flexible this is 20 odd years before episode IV
I loved Yoda too as a puppet in ESB and ROTJ I wasn't that fussy for him in TPM but thats ok.
but when I saw him in AOTC I was blown away. he had the look and feel of the ESB yoda but 20 years or so younger.
I would have to say the good outways the bad by far.

I think they made a mistake limiting his movements to what was done by Frank Oz with the puppet. I think that is what didn't sell it to me. If you're going to use CG you should go full-out and do as much as the technology will allow you to do.

I'm talking mainly about facial expressions. For example at the beginning of the film in Palpatines office when he says "Impossible to see, the future is"... the mouth movements on that line are worse, I think, thatn the puppet!

on a side note, I watched 'The Incredibles' last night and, in my opinion, the animation of the movements of the charactes there is much more believable than the Clonetroopers. I know I'm like the only one who has a problem with the Clones movements, but it just really bugs me

Dodo, I know, its amazing how much better Pixar stuff, even the Incredibles is than most of the Star Wars prequel's stuff.

But Darth Maul, you are forgetting something. Okay look, Yoda is what 800 or so years old, so really 20 years wouldn't make that much difference if he was that old...He wouldn't age that much at such a high age in his life now would he? So no that isn't very believable as that.

I didn't think the PM Yoda was that bad either. And Dodo I know what ya mean about some of the CG Yoda's mouth movements looking worse than the puppet.

you are comparing CG in the incredibles with star wars???
one is completely CG and in my own opinion i still couldn't tell that all the clone troopers ar cg.
??? we do not know how Yoda ages
you have to take that with a grain of salt,
someone here who is 60 could still do alot of stuff well and when they are 80 not so much you have to watch this with an open mind you could say the same thing about palps being over a hundred by ROTJ
or how is a lightsaber suppose to work? why is there sound in space?
who cares, enjoy the frigin movies.

Originally posted by darthmaul1
you are comparing CG in the incredibles with star wars???
one is completely CG and in my own opinion i still couldn't tell that all the clone troopers ar cg.
??? we do not know how Yoda ages
you have to take that with a grain of salt,
someone here who is 60 could still do alot of stuff well and when they are 80 not so much you have to watch this with an open mind you could say the same thing about palps being over a hundred by ROTJ
or how is a lightsaber suppose to work? why is there sound in space?
who cares, enjoy the frigin movies.

Desptie your generally bad grammar, your points are 100% correct. The point is to enjoy it and not get caught up in the technicalities of it.

It doesn't matter if one is completely CG, the point is is that it looks better. This discussion is about the fx in these movies, so that's why we are talking about the technacalities. I can't believe some of you couldn't even tell the Clonetroopers are CG. That alone shows that you can't tell CG when you see CG. It's about as obvious as anything.

And I still stick to my comments. Yoda being 800 years, with just 20 of those years wouldn't age so much. And that would not make Palps 100 by ROTJ. Old yes, but not 100. Let's say he's 40 something in Episode 1, then making him about 55 by Episode 3, and then about 75 by the OT. Yoda is a bigger difference I believe as he is hundreds years old and wouldn't age at such an old age. Now your bringing up different points that have to comparison to these....and actually there is an explanation as to how the lightsaber is created...with crystals, but that is entirely different I'm afraid.

I do enjoy the movies, but this is obviously called a discussion, which is why we are having this talk in the first place. Don't debate and then tell me not to debate.

if palps is 40 in episode 1 he sure looks like a hell of and old man.
he said so himself that he is the right age now for the PT for playing palps
Unlike the face-obscuring role of the Emperor, this time McDiarmid would keep his own features for the role of Palpatine. "This only happened because I was the right age," says McDiarmid. "I was the right age, ironically, for the first prequel when it was made. I wouldn't have been if he'd started with [Episode I]. So I was in the very strange and rather wonderful paradox of playing myself when young at my own age, having played myself previously when 100-and-I-don't-know-what. So that was, of course, extremely interesting and a challenge, and it was wonderful to think that I'd be part of the continuing saga. And of course I went home and refused to believe it. But bit by bit it became a reality."
go here to read the full interview.
http://www.starwars.com/site/homingbeacon/index.html
April 14, 2005 Homing Beacon #134

for the record he is around 60 now so lets say he was 55 in TPM by ATOC he's 65 ROTS 68 or 69 dude so by the ANH 90 and ROTJ he could be pushing 100.

Originally posted by hunchy
Dodo, I know, its amazing how much better Pixar stuff, even the Incredibles is than most of the Star Wars prequel's stuff.

insane you are, ludacris your opinions have become... 😮‍💨

Originally posted by hunchy
It doesn't matter if one is completely CG, the point is is that it looks better. This discussion is about the fx in these movies, so that's why we are talking about the technacalities. I can't believe some of you couldn't even tell the Clonetroopers are CG. That alone shows that you can't tell CG when you see CG. It's about as obvious as anything.

And I still stick to my comments. Yoda being 800 years, with just 20 of those years wouldn't age so much. And that would not make Palps 100 by ROTJ. Old yes, but not 100. Let's say he's 40 something in Episode 1, then making him about 55 by Episode 3, and then about 75 by the OT. Yoda is a bigger difference I believe as he is hundreds years old and wouldn't age at such an old age. Now your bringing up different points that have to comparison to these....and actually there is an explanation as to how the lightsaber is created...with crystals, but that is entirely different I'm afraid.

I do enjoy the movies, but this is obviously called a discussion, which is why we are having this talk in the first place. Don't debate and then tell me not to debate.

And the reason that people usually point out CG is because our eyes have been conditioned to see people in costumes, and taking away that reality has completely turned our visual palette upside down.

So, for as long as our generation is around, we'll see CG differntly, because we've seen what reality looks like in movies.

It's all very subjective.

And they did a damn good job with some of those clonetroopers.

Originally posted by mephistodesigns
the ENTIRE droid factory chase scene was done in pick ups and Temura Morrison was not available at the time, so a digital double was done instead.

Originally posted by CBright7831
He was wearing the mask right? What was stopping them from getting a stunt man to dawn the armor for that one shot? It's just another case of ILM saying "LOOK WHAT WE CAN DO! HA HA HA *beats everyone over the head with a club*".

YES! Absolutely!

Now I'm not saying ILM doesn't do some great work, but that shot was just ridiculous!

Originally posted by darthmaul1
if palps is 40 in episode 1 he sure looks like a hell of and old man.
he said so himself that he is the right age now for the PT for playing palps
Unlike the face-obscuring role of the Emperor, this time McDiarmid would keep his own features for the role of Palpatine. "This only happened because I was the right age," says McDiarmid. "I was the right age, ironically, for the first prequel when it was made. I wouldn't have been if he'd started with [Episode I]. So I was in the very strange and rather wonderful paradox of playing myself when young at my own age, having played myself previously when 100-and-I-don't-know-what. So that was, of course, extremely interesting and a challenge, and it was wonderful to think that I'd be part of the continuing saga. And of course I went home and refused to believe it. But bit by bit it became a reality."
go here to read the full interview.
http://www.starwars.com/site/homingbeacon/index.html
April 14, 2005 Homing Beacon #134

for the record he is around 60 now so lets say he was 55 in TPM by ATOC he's 65 ROTS 68 or 69 dude so by the ANH 90 and ROTJ he could be pushing 100.

68 by ROTS, 88 by ANH, and NOT 100 by ROTJ,but according to the Star Wars timeline it takes place 4 years later. So 92, and so what? Is that that unbelieable? He looks freakin old in it.

well, according to the books, i know its EU but hey its what i believe,....he is MUCH older than we think....im talking like thousands of years,. thats why he looks much older than that in ROTJ. and im waiting to see if the books were correct. i hope they are because apparently he was apart of the sith destruction and that is why he STILL wants revenge.