Batman versus You

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Originally posted by jplatinum
Bruce Lee is better than Logan.
He would probably lose to him unless he attacked Logans throatt and wind pipe area, but he'd fiarst need to disable Logans' arms by holding him down somehow.
Logan is strong so this would be a challenge even for Bruce.
Bruce stands a chance, but the adamantium skeleton, and the claws would prove hard to bypass.
Bruce would probably lose.
But He would mop the floor with Batman.
Like I said, there are some "REAL PEOPLE" like Mas Oyama and Bruce Lee who train just as hard and have better fighting skill and more powerful punches and faster punches than Batman and can whoop him.
You just don't won't to except it cuase you know it's true.
Just cause he's in a comic doesn't mean no "REAL PERSON" couldn't beat him in the "REAL WORLD". your argument makes terrible logic.
You make Batman/Daredevil out to be gods, when they are actually just people who train really really hard.
thats' all. Bruce LEE trained loger cuase he trained since early childhood and he was way better skilled than Batman and his style of fighting would crush Batman, and Bruce Lee is like 2 or 3x faster than Batman.

Btw. Mas oyama's punch coould kill a bull. One hard punch from him would crush Batman's skull like a grape. They didn't call him"god's hand" for nothing.
The most Batman can hope to do is see Bruce Lee's fist come towards his face before"Wha-tahh!" "BAMMMM!!!!!" Batman is knocked out.

Oh and young Mike Tyson could lift 260 lbs boxers off the floor when he threw his uppercut. His uppercutt would knock the smaller/lighter Batman up and back several feet,landing him on the cold hard unforgiving ground,Thus, knocking him out. Just wanted to throw in some knowledge for you.

DID YOU READ THE THING I POSTED?

Batman is the world's most accomplished and skilled martial artist. Sure Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva are true masters but they master only a few styles and know a smattering of styles. However Batman is the pinnacle of true masters. He is the highest master in 127 major martial arts styles and he knows at least quadruple amount of other styles he can utilize when needed. He is an accomplished master who has made a style of fighting for himself. He observes and watches his opponents, using their styles against themselves and then switches styles to best counter their own. However, the biggest threat in Batman's martial arts skills is the fact that he can study and learn and then defeat the opponent. Only the masters like Shiva and Master Girigi's ninjas have given Batman a run for his money. He can use a style or a plethora or go full bore and use all of his skills, also this fact makes him an unconventional and unpredictable opponent, quite capable of using Karate and then switching to Aikido, from there to Jujutsu and then Capoeira and from there to Jeet Kune Do and from there Crane and Tiger style and maybe even Drunken boxing. While combating Batman, you do not face a style, you face different styles intermeshed into a fine art, a poetry of motion and discipline. From Aikido to Yaw-Yan, Batman is the most dangerous combatant on Earth. Many obscure specialties of forms and skills are in his possession. He is the master, second to Master Kirigi himself, in the art of the Whispering Hand. This punch can obliterate bodies, destroy the whole target or the real inside. Or it can be used to knock out, cause heart attacks. Only Kirigi and Batman have progressed in this art to this level. The Tiger Fist he learnt from H'Sien Tan in the Himalayas also. The Tiger is punch that can destroy anything, from wood to granite. It is reputedly the most difficult upper cut style punch ever devised. It requires the wielder to know his body, to completely and utterly be in tune with himself and the surround world in order to succeed and then there is the Leopard Punch. It is Lady Shiva's trademark and yet Batman is the one who's mastered this technique to the level that not only is he lethal, he can disarm and disable opponents with it, a level of mastery Shiva refuses to learn. Then there are other techniques the Bat uses, to disarm and disable opponents: from spinning attacks to arm locks to pins. All in all, he is a one-man army.

When a martial artist reaches a special level, he becomes enlightened. He knows the history of his art, the masters and their styles. Like them Batman has reached and went well beyond that level. Batman has the ability to mimic different masters' styles of fighting, their conduct even to the level of fooling other masters. Also he can look a combatant and judge his or her flaws and exploit them, but he can also see the style, what style it is and who has taught him or her. This has given him leads in the past and will do so in the future.

To add to the things, Cain taught Bruce to read his opponents' moves and body language. He's not as well taught as Cassandra Cain but he is almost as good as Cain in this field. Furthermore Batman's skill in the Haragei, the hyper expansion of senses, and the Kiai, the ability to feel someone's intent long before it happens, this is called Sakki. This means that Batman has the ability to control the fight in any which way and he is even able to, thanks to his training, take the combat from the physical plain to the mental level, as demonstrated in Legends of the Bat: Tao pt 2. Here Batman demonstrated his near full capabilities as he took the combat to the mental plane, his Sakki, Kiai and Haragei turning the combat into a contest of wills. No physical punches were thrown but after that exhausting battle, Batman emerged victorious. Sakki is the intent, but in many ways it can be utilized quite a lot like the Chi into projecting the mental energy into someone else.

Can-you-do-all-that? Do you know anybody who can?

Batman whoops you biiiiiiiiiig time.

More things...

Not is Batman perhaps the ultimate unarmed combatant on the face of the planet due to the sheer amount of the different arts he masters but he is also a master shadow warrior, a ninja of true legend, a master rivaled by only a handful by men.

Under Kirigi, Tsunetomo and Chu Chin Li and then expanded by Cain Batman has learnt the art of the ninja but also the art of the Tao and the Chinese assassin, making him much, much more dangerous than a normal ninja. First of all he is one of the foremost combatants on Earth, with or without his weapons, but his further training has expanded his senses and skills to the level of rivaling metahumans.

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

If you think you can whoop Batman if you go, *sigh* "all out", you must be high.

He is no God. But he is miles better then you.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
ur right, people like bruce lee could beat batman, bruce lee did stuff that is considered scientifically impossible with his muscles.

Batman does things considered to be physicaly impossible on a regular basis.

If Batman is so super-incredible, how come I don't ever see any of things "godly' feats" he is suppose to be able to do.
The more I think about it, his whole bio is crap with a capital "C".
He never does any of that sh#t in any comic books or in the series' or movies.
I've seen him get whooped by people that I'd crush.
I've seen him not be able to lift sh#t that I lift more weight than on a daily basis.
I've seen him struggle to move a 400lbs boulder.(that is child's play to me cause I've been lifting for over 8 years.)
I've seen him get hit by street thugs and get the slobber knocked out of his mouth. S i know my fast/powerful punches would hurt him.
I've seen him be hit by non superhumans,I've seen him be hurt by nonsuperhumans, I've seen hit reach his limits. Limits that I surpass easily when I actually try hard. So that bio is bullsh#t.
If that bio is true then Batman can whoop anyone under superman with his bare hands/ no weapons or utility belt.(Bullsh#t)
If you go by that bio, you don't even have an argument to begin with, which means i'm wasting my time even bothering to entertain your feeble mind.
peace, I'm out.

😎

With that kind of attitude jplatinum, You won't beat anybody and Batman will Beat and Smack the hell out of you Baby.

If Batman is so super-incredible, how come I don't ever see any of things "godly' feats" he is suppose to be able to do.

Maybe because you haven't read the comics where those feats have been?

The more I think about it, his whole bio is crap with a capital "C".
He never does any of that sh#t in any comic books or in the series' or movies.

Yes he does. Why would the writer of bio wrote that, if he has never done those feats in the comics?

"Master Kirigi did indeed teach Bruce the Death Touch (Vibrating Palm, Dim Mak, etc). And yeah, he's dead, as revealed in the LOTDK annual. The original issue revealing Kirigi though is Batman #431."

I've seen him get whooped by people that I'd crush.

Name one and the issue where this happened.

I've seen him whooping people that would crush you with their arms tied behind their back.

I've seen him not be able to lift sh#t that I lift more weight than on a daily basis.

Like...

I've seen him struggle to move a 400lbs boulder.(that is child's play to me cause I've been lifting for over 8 years.)

Crap writing.

Batman has been lifting weights for over 25 years, and you think that you are stronger the he is?

Have you reached the peak of psychical human strength?

've seen him get hit by street thugs and get the slobber knocked out of his mouth. S i know my fast/powerful punches would hurt him.

Batman has fought people like Ra's Ghul, Cain, Lady Shiva...and some street thugs can beat him? Craaaap writing.

"Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony."

SO EVEN if you could hit him, it would not knock him out.

I've seen him be hit by non superhumans,I've seen him be hurt by nonsuperhumans, I've seen hit reach his limits. Limits that I surpass easily when I actually try hard. So that bio is bullsh#t.

So...you say that you are better in martial arts the Batman...have you mastered 127 martial arts? This guy hangs out with Justice League and fights demigods all the time, could you do the same?

If that bio is true then Batman can whoop anyone under superman with his bare hands/ no weapons or utility belt.(Bullsh#t)

Yeah, he could obviously beat someone like Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter and Spider-Man easily...no, did I say so?

But he could easily beat you.

If you go by that bio, you don't even have an argument to begin with, which means i'm wasting my time even bothering to entertain your feeble mind.
peace, I'm out.

My mind is not feeble. Your is, if you believe that you could beat Batman by going "all out".

Originally posted by jplatinum
I've seen him get hit by street thugs and get the slobber knocked out of his mouth.

lol........... slobber............ lmao

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I can see it now him and me standing in the batcave i would give him a steely glare boefre shouting "hey is that catwoman topless" his head would turn rapidly and BAM , sucker punch to the throat his wind pipe would cave in and he would choke to death

FOX 1
BATS 0

Originally posted by jplatinum
If Batman is so super-incredible, how come I don't ever see any of things "godly' feats" he is suppose to be able to do.
He's snuck up on Superman and can hide himself from Martian Manhunter, whose telepathy is said to be much greater than Xavier's and with no electromagnetic disturbance to limit him.
The more I think about it, his whole bio is crap with a capital "C".
And that's why he's a better fighter than you and everyone else in the real world. He's impossibly good. Beyond what real world people can achieve.

I've been saying he's too far beyond a normal man to be considered the "human who still hangs with the heavy hitters" for years.

Okay, if he got hit by me, I couldn't knock him out?
Bullsh#t, I can throw 100 m.p.h.+ punches that contain full force.
That means I have developed my body and technique to the point where I don't scriafice speed fro power or power for speed, I can euqally deliver incredible speed and incredible power.
One of my punches to the face,chest,ribs,solar plexes, or stomach would make Batman feel like he was hit by a sledge hammer.
I can also do iron body, which means that I can take any punch or kick he can throw sveral times without it even slowing me down. When he does/if he does finally start to hurt me I can ignore pain to incredible degrees and continue whatever I'm doing.
Its called mind over matter. I've ignored pian that would have put any other guy my size or bigger in agony.
I used to let people bigger than me punch me in the chest,arms, and other places full force and They uauslly hurt their wrists without it even effecting me.
You like riding Batman's jock so much to realize any of the "TRUE" stuff that I'm telling you. Its not made up and its' been proven.
H3ll Bruce Lee did stuff that Batman can't do all the time and you tell me
that "Batman can do the impossible. No one can touch him". I've seen and known of "REAL" people that will destroy him. I train and push myself everyday to gain new limits and push beyond that.
I'm not some whimpy guy who does things half way. I tarin hard doing stuff that I doubt you can do on a regular basis.
If I went all out on Batman I'd probably whoop him. End of story.

Btw. I know he knows the "death touch" so what?
I won't give him a chance to summon the chi or to even touch me.
Also, he probably wouldn't use it cause he'd already figure I was some normal street thug guy and try to fight me like he normally fights, then "Whammm!"
I'd hit him with a lightening fast punch that he never even sees.
I punch so fast that no one can block it. Except maybe Bruce Lee or some monks somewhere in god-knows-where. Batman gets knocked out.

If you didn't want to debate made up things you wouldn't be crapping your pants about fighting a make believe character.

You Say its made up?
Then you don't know anything about science or the physics of the "REAL WORLD". Everything I say is humanly possible, dude.
Man, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but you should read some science articles and magzines, you should research some of these things, and you should read the tao of Jeet kune do.
You'd be surprised what a "REAL" human body is capable of and has done.

Btw. You don't except it becuse you don't want to believe that some people in "REAL LIFE" could whoop Batman if they fought in "REAL LIFE"
if Batman was real and didn't have writers making him win all the time.
He is peak human, so what,I'm near peak human.
I can push myself at high intensity for over an hour, I can press almost twice my bodyweight and can lift several times my bodyweight, hell Ive been lifting wieghts for over 8 years, and I can fight with great speed and power, and skill. I'm not some super whatever, but I know I can beat Batman.
Don't believe me Thats your opinion, but I know the "TRUTH".

Originally posted by jplatinum
You Say its made up?
Then you don't know anything about science or the physics of the "REAL WORLD". Everything I say is humanly possible, dude.
Man, I'm not trying to put you down or anything, but you should read some science articles and magzines, you should research some of these things, and you should read the tao of Jeet kune do.
You'd be surprised what a "REAL" human body is capcble of and has done.
Batman is not a real character. He is made up and his impossible feats are also made up.

You want to argue the science behind your times and your stats against a character made of ink and paper. Batman is a make believe character who can do things beyond the capabilities of a normal human. He can hit people who could run miles in the time you take to punch.

I know that.
You miss the point.
IF you were paying attention you'd know I keep saying If he were "REAL LIFE"/"REAL WORLD" with no writers for that bullsh#t.
He can still be peakhuman and know everything he knows and I could still beat him.
You keep missing the point. Of course I couldn't beat him in comicbook, I'm not an idiot. I keep saying if he were "REAL LIFE"/"REAL WOLRD", but apparently none of you fanboys are really listening. All you hear is "I'd whoop Batman, I'd whoop Batman" and you instantly post back with some crap about him being able to hit me and I wouldn't see it and he is ink character and etc. You guys gotta start paying carefull attention before you post replies.

Btw. Don't even post a smart-allic reply cause you know I'm right.
Just look at all my posts in this thread and you'll finally see what I'm talkin' about.
Kevil, or somebody, if you read this, teach these guys to pay attention to details.
I've been posting over and over, and F#$kin' over, d#$n, read the details of the fight/thread/post.

Comic book peak human is above real world peak human.

So unless you're trying to BS your way into beating Batman by lowering him to your "real world" standards, he's still much faster and stronger than a normal peak human fighter. In the "real world."

If I had three wishes;

1) Everyone in KMC would have nearly proper grammar, and not spew bullshit from their mouths like 'Eh' from a Canadian
2) Unlimited money
3) The ability to beat people through the internet, with a big heavy club.

In "REAL WORLD" he would still be peak human and know 127 martial-arts, but he wouldn't be able to hit people who can run miles before I threw a punch.
He would not have writers writing bullsh#t like that for him and he would be confined to laws of physics, science, etc.
Thats' what I've been saying the whole d#$n time, PLease pay attention, man.

I hate getting this mad, but some people don't listen or pay attention to details. Please, people just pay attention. "REAL WORLD"/REAL LIFE", d#$n! 😒

If I had three wishes it'd be;
1)The capacity to handle unlimited power
2)The knowledge to weild unlimited power
3)Unlimited power

Then I'd live quietly in an adamantium (so it doesn't collapse or rot) hobbit mansion I made with my powers. I'd watch people all day and eat pizza all the time.

That, my friend is ludacrous.
"ReAL WORLD".
This means he could have his abilities, but he would not have writers to make him do these "GODly feats" that he does.
D#$n it, man.

Please,please, please, pay attention.

Not cussin' at you, just out of frustration.
We cool, just pay attention to what I say, man, D#$n.

1)The capacity to handle unlimited power
2)The knowledge to weild unlimited power
3)Unlimited power

That sounds cool.

I'd wish:
1) to have unlimited strength,invulnerability.
2) to have warpspeed running(like Goku).
3) to be able to fly.