Batman versus You

In "REAL WORLD" he would still be peak human and know 127 martial-arts, but he wouldn't be able to hit people who can run miles before I threw a punch.
He would not have writers writing bullsh#t like that for him and he would be confined to laws of physics, science, etc.
Thats' what I've been saying the whole d#$n time, PLease pay attention, man.

Originally posted by jplatinum
That, my friend is ludacrous.
"ReAL WORLD".
This means he could have his abilities, but he would not have writers to make him do these "GODly feats" that he does.
D#$n it, man.

Ability wise, he's good enough to keep up with a man who's legitimately enhanced and past the already "comic enhanced" levels of Batman. And he does so through skill, not the speed of his punch.

Not cussin' at you, just out of frustration.
We cool, just pay attention to what I say, man, D#$n.

Jplatinum, I hate to single you out like this, but there's just something I wanted to say.

Whatever training you've had, Batman has had. Whatever technique you've learned, Batman has learned. Basically, everything you can do, Batman can do better. That's the way he was written, and he wouldn't lose that after being transferred into the real world.

But you seem pretty convinced that you can take him, so more power to ya' I guess.

To get this thing straight, ok jplatinum go get yourself a Video Camera and Dress-Up like Batman and jump through buildings and capture criminals and show it to us in the net. This is your first challenge like in Fear Factor. All I am saying is we need a proof if you can really fight or you're just another loud mouth like Jimmy Mouth of the South Hart.

Back to the Batman biography, Sakki sounds a hell of a lot like that part in Hero... You know, Jet Li and the dude with a spear fightin in their minds, then the real fight lasts like half a second, cuz Jet Li already won mentally... Awesome shit.

And dude, peak human is PEAK human; no room for improvement. That means take each attribute from the best person in each and roll them into one. (Bruce Lee's speed, mas Omaya's strength, etc) Batman, when compared to normal people normal people, is like a guy using cheat codes at life. He's too damn good. Like Nigel said, he's had all the training you've had and more, however fast or strong you are, he's faster and stronger.

Plus he's got experience AND badass edges on you, cuz of the JLA and the fact that he's a ninja.

yea hes all that n maybe more, doesnt stop me from beatin him though!

theres sumthin called spirit, n i have more of it than batman, of that im sure,

Does being basically the epitome of a human assassin, a perfect killer, devoid of emotion when he wants it, and able to take you out of the physical world and kill you mentally count for spirit points or no?

lol, NO! not in my book, my spirit is more than that, but bullshit aside, since when exactly does batman take his opponents out of the physical world and kill then mentally?

Yeah, someone who was getting pounded by Darkseid and took it like a man surely has no spirit. *rolls eyes*

no he does he does, just not as much as me 😄 😄

I'd kick adam west's beer bellied ass!

No People in this earth has the Guts and Will to beat Batman because if there is, there should be thousands of superheroes(Costumed Crime Fighter) right now. But no People had the Will and Spirit to wear Costume and Beat the Hell out of Criminal's ass.

Batman is the world's most accomplished and skilled martial artist. Sure Richard Dragon and Lady Shiva are true masters but they master only a few styles and know a smattering of styles. However Batman is the pinnacle of true masters. He is the highest master in 127 major martial arts styles and he knows at least quadruple amount of other styles he can utilize when needed. He is an accomplished master who has made a style of fighting for himself. He observes and watches his opponents, using their styles against themselves and then switches styles to best counter their own. However, the biggest threat in Batman's martial arts skills is the fact that he can study and learn and then defeat the opponent. Only the masters like Shiva and Master Girigi's ninjas have given Batman a run for his money. He can use a style or a plethora or go full bore and use all of his skills, also this fact makes him an unconventional and unpredictable opponent, quite capable of using Karate and then switching to Aikido, from there to Jujutsu and then Capoeira and from there to Jeet Kune Do and from there Crane and Tiger style and maybe even Drunken boxing. While combating Batman, you do not face a style, you face different styles intermeshed into a fine art, a poetry of motion and discipline. From Aikido to Yaw-Yan, Batman is the most dangerous combatant on Earth. Many obscure specialties of forms and skills are in his possession. He is the master, second to Master Kirigi himself, in the art of the Whispering Hand. This punch can obliterate bodies, destroy the whole target or the real inside. Or it can be used to knock out, cause heart attacks. Only Kirigi and Batman have progressed in this art to this level. The Tiger Fist he learnt from H'Sien Tan in the Himalayas also. The Tiger is punch that can destroy anything, from wood to granite. It is reputedly the most difficult upper cut style punch ever devised. It requires the wielder to know his body, to completely and utterly be in tune with himself and the surround world in order to succeed and then there is the Leopard Punch. It is Lady Shiva's trademark and yet Batman is the one who's mastered this technique to the level that not only is he lethal, he can disarm and disable opponents with it, a level of mastery Shiva refuses to learn. Then there are other techniques the Bat uses, to disarm and disable opponents: from spinning attacks to arm locks to pins. All in all, he is a one-man army.

When a martial artist reaches a special level, he becomes enlightened. He knows the history of his art, the masters and their styles. Like them Batman has reached and went well beyond that level. Batman has the ability to mimic different masters' styles of fighting, their conduct even to the level of fooling other masters. Also he can look a combatant and judge his or her flaws and exploit them, but he can also see the style, what style it is and who has taught him or her. This has given him leads in the past and will do so in the future.

To add to the things, Cain taught Bruce to read his opponents' moves and body language. He's not as well taught as Cassandra Cain but he is almost as good as Cain in this field. Furthermore Batman's skill in the Haragei, the hyper expansion of senses, and the Kiai, the ability to feel someone's intent long before it happens, this is called Sakki. This means that Batman has the ability to control the fight in any which way and he is even able to, thanks to his training, take the combat from the physical plain to the mental level, as demonstrated in Legends of the Bat: Tao pt 2. Here Batman demonstrated his near full capabilities as he took the combat to the mental plane, his Sakki, Kiai and Haragei turning the combat into a contest of wills. No physical punches were thrown but after that exhausting battle, Batman emerged victorious. Sakki is the intent, but in many ways it can be utilized quite a lot like the Chi into projecting the mental energy into someone else.

Not is Batman perhaps the ultimate unarmed combatant on the face of the planet due to the sheer amount of the different arts he masters but he is also a master shadow warrior, a ninja of true legend, a master rivaled by only a handful by men.

Under Kirigi, Tsunetomo and Chu Chin Li and then expanded by Cain Batman has learnt the art of the ninja but also the art of the Tao and the Chinese assassin, making him much, much more dangerous than a normal ninja. First of all he is one of the foremost combatants on Earth, with or without his weapons, but his further training has expanded his senses and skills to the level of rivaling metahumans.

Batman is a master of Haragei, a master who has expanded his physical senses over this plane of existence to another and thus becoming hyper aware of his surroundings without appearing to really being anything different from others. He is keenly aware of everything going on around him and also the microscopic and the astral world around himself. Furthermore he can feel that world around himself and thus being one of the most difficult targets for telepathy and also telepathic obfuscation. Along these lines the Bat has learnt and masters both the Sakki and Kiai. Kiai is the ability to feel the intent and thus be able to act accordingly. However Sakki is the force of the intention and with these three pillars the Bat can take the physical battle to another level, to the psychological, the mental plane. The Sakki and Kiai, completed with the mastery of Haragei can be used as physical weapons, a force of wills where every blow is even stronger than the physical ones. As a ninja and a master of haragei, Batman has learnt to cope without his sensory input, making him able to fight and function without any sort of handicap should he lose his sight or hearing, or other senses. The fact is that the Bat is far beyond the human senses and even though they are handy, they're not needed.

Chi is another facet and a tactic the Batman uses, much like Sakki, it can be projected through the combat. Batman has been shown, on numerous occasions, to be able to perform feats impossible to humans. He has been shown to kick down trees, punch through concrete and mortar walls. He has been shown to be able to lift up a stone totem that weighed over a ton. He can project his Chi out of his body and aid him physically, because of this it is no big feat for him to punch through living trees and walls. By focusing his Chi inside his body he can ignore the physical damage and pain he receives. Through his training, Batman has trained himself to ignore exhaustion, sleep deprivation, emotions and also pain and agony. To anyone looking at the Bat, there is nothing remotely human about him other than the chin. As a Bat, when under control, he feels no emotions, no fear, no love, he is completely indifferent to the world around himself and thus he is in tune with it as Tao teaches. He flows from one motion to another in the river of life, this granting him the sixth sense, intuism he always listens to, the thing that has saved his life on many occasions.

This form, this Tao was taught to him by Mistress Shao-La in the Himalayas. Bruce Wayne had heard about a master with great power residing in the mountains and the young boy wanted to learn more. He went to the master who'd teach him the Tao and also self-control. The light side of this force would give him the control over his emotions and the ability to be in tune with the world, but it wasn't enough for him. Bruce Wayne wanted power, true power and after Shao-La told him about Master H'Sien Tan he would venture out there and learn.

From H'Sien Tan Bruce Wayne learnt the path of personal power. He learnt from the man that he had two destinies and by choosing one of them he'd receive everything he had ever wanted and the second would make him nearly omnipotent. This path would be the path of personal power he sought to avenge and to protect. In time it would also consume him. This little story is part of the package H'Sien Tan taught Bruce. The acceptance. The acceptance of one's fate, one's death and one's power. It was also a craft he taught to Bruce, to know, to feel the world and the energies around himself, to harness those energies and glean answers from them. This form of spiritualism has served Bruce well, but also it has twisted him and he has found ways to distort it, making him appear the victim even if he has wanted it. From H'Sien Tan he also learnt a way to control himself, not just his emotions but his body. Bruce is capable of, instinctually, command his body to stop bleeding, force healing on himself and even more importantly, he is able to ignore the toll exhaustion and the lack of sleep inflicts on him. Also Tan taught him the way to slow down his heart, the flow of his blood, to the level of dying and yet remaining alive.

The dark forces of Tao, the greed, is a powerful mistress and because of this the person who wields these arts needs to be mentally strong to wrest the control lest it controls him in his path to power. This dark art comprises partly of alchemy and magic mixed in with the mental control and hypnotism and this is the most formidable teaching Tan had to give Bruce.

Batman is able to force his presence on others, much like the way the Wrath of God appears. He can grow in people's minds, project his terror on them and destroy their minds, but at the same time he can push his presence inwardly and just disappear from their mind's eye, right in front of them and none will know how nor why. Furthermore he has learnt the power of suggestion, the ability to appear as something else to anyone and this is the key behind his quick costume changes and his disappearances. To add to this, his skills in these arts have given him a willpower matched by nearly none as he can ignore anything and go through stone and rock. The last skill Tan gave to Bruce was the art of the Tiger Fist, a punch so powerful it can rend through mountains, a skill, an art known to only 5 people on Earth and only 2 of them survive 'til this day.

As a ninja, a shadow assassin, Batman has been taught to use his surroundings to his advantage and so he knows when there are people in the correct vantage points, he knows how to conceal himself so that he is virtually invisible and he knows the ways to use the surroundings offensively. This lesson is part of the reason why the Bat was created in this visage. Bruce knows the hearts of the men and he can defeat them before engaging them in combat. In ancient times in Japan, the warrior caste, the Samurai, used the Ninja because their honor couldn't handle the deceitful tactics. However, Batman has no qualms with this and actually he uses quite a lot of deception as he does his work. Chu Chin Li and later on David Cain taught him the assassination tactics and skills, so he is aware of how a possible assassin will work and will think, and he can prepare against these situations.

Japanese sword fighting or Kendo is part of the Bushido class and way of life and also practiced by Batman and Bruce Wayne. From Bushido and Taothe Batman has taken the meditation skills taught to him by Shao-La for clearing his mind and his conscience, even if Alfred tends to call it brooding. Many a time the Bat has solved a case while meditating or sleeping, which is quite the same thing for him as he utilizes the sleeping techniques Shao-La taught him.

The ways of the Shadow Warrior are quite many and there are different rumors and different legends about the ninjas, and when concerning the Bat most of them hold true. However the main thing about the ninja is that they're adaptable and Batman has taken this strategy in his heart and cherishes it. He adapts to any situation and if he isn't able to conquer, he will find another way to do it.

That is what Batman can do. If you take it away from him, and put him in the REAL WORLD, then he is not Batman anymore.

Batman defeats you 10 out of 10.

If you say so, but I can still take him.
'm sticking with it cause its' true.
I don't care if hes' a ninja/assassin, I can still take him.
You talk about putting on custume and fighting crime, Honestly, there are plenty of people on this earth who can put on a bullet-proof cloths and go fights criminals, but who does that?
No one wants to do something like that in real life. People have better things to do like make a living, Batman is alredy rich so he has plenty of spare time on his hands. We have things like college,work, getting women, playing sports, and other stuff to deal with. He doesn't.
Come on, get serious or get a clue.

The only edge I'll admit that batman has on me is:

He knows more style of martial-arts then me,

He has way more acrobatic-agility than me.

Thats all and that wouldn't be too much of an advantage over me, considering I'm faster and can still fight better with the few styles of fighting that I do know.

Crawler, you can post bios all you want to.
You don't get that a man can know 127 styles of martial-arts and still be beaten by a man who only knows a few.
Its in your skill with what you know and he never does anything that particularly impresses me. So you're wasting your time.

Btw. I never said Batman couldn't beat me, he can beat me, but I can beat him too.
I go all out I win 7/10.

I'm sorry, but if any one here actually says they can beat Batman. They are either a liar a fool or both.

This thread is infinitely amusing.

Originally posted by jplatinum
If you say so, but I can still take him.
'm sticking with it cause its' true.
I don't care if hes' a ninja/assassin, I can still take him.
You talk about putting on custume and fighting crime, Honestly, there are plenty of people on this earth who can put on a bullet-proof cloths and go fights criminals, but who does that?
No one wants to do something like that in real life. People have better things to do like make a living, Batman is alredy rich so he has plenty of spare time on his hands. We have things like college,work, getting women, playing sports, and other stuff to deal with. He doesn't.
Come on, get serious or get a clue.

Get an clue yourself.

Could you:

Go toe to toe with Lady Shiva?

Fight Ra's Ghul, an immortal who has had an thousand years to practice his art of fighting and win him?

Have you reached the point of psychical perfection?

Have you kicked down trees?

Are you highest master in 127 major martial arts styles?

Are you among the top three best martial artist in world?

Could you fight superhumans and hit people who move in superhuman speeds?

Face demigods alongside the JLA?

Defeat four martians?

No you couldn't, because you aren't an comic book hero. Batman is, and he can do every thing I have listed in this topic.

The only edge I'll admit that batman has on me is:

He knows more style of martial-arts then me,

He has way more acrobatic-agility than me.

Thats all and that wouldn't be too much of an advantage over me, considering I'm faster and can still fight better with the few styles of fighting that I do know.

Crawler, you can post bios all you want to.
You don't get that a man can know 127 styles of martial-arts and still be beaten by a man who only knows a few.
Its in your skill with what you know and he never does anything that particularly impresses me. So you're wasting your time.

Btw. I never said Batman couldn't beat me, he can beat me, but I can beat him too.
I go all out I win 7/10.

You forgotted that he is:

Stronger then you.

More experienced then you.

Faster then you.

Better then you.

More intelligent then you.

And ou don't get that an man who is better in everything that you are can beat you with extreme ease. Batman is the highest master in 127 martial arts, he can fight better with any of them then you can.

"He never does anything that particularly impresses me. So you're wasting your time."

So the feats above aren't impressive? What is, to you?

Batman defeats you 10 out of 10, no matter if you go "all out". He can defeat you with one well placed move. You just don't seem to get it. You put yourself way too high.

Its called self-confidence. Plus, I know what I can do.
Do you think that Batman can knock out some of the pfc fighters with one punch?No.
His bio was written to be the best? How come peakhuman, the greatest a human can do, is 800 pounds at max(in comic standards). Yet, there are powerlifters who bench press 900-1000 pounds on regular. Several have benched over 1000 pounds. So as you can see human beings can do more. Your Batman bio is greatly flawed. There are people who are stronger than Batman, punch harder than him, are way faster than him, and can beat him, and can take way more punishment than him.
If you want to buy into the whole Batman is the perfect specimen thing, then explain that to me.
There are humans that can do things better than him, this means that he isn't the best.
Check your stats again, You'll see that the great BRuce Wayne isn't the god you think he is.