This Debate is truly rediculous. I don't care how powerful Thor and Surfer Are. HEll Wonder Woman and Hald Jordan could give these two a run for thier money. You guys actually want to sit here and say that they can take on 6 of the leagues best members. Rediculous. I am sooo glad I like both comic companies and actually use logic when debating. I"m not gonna sit here and let people just unload a bunch of crap on the best Superteam in comics history.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlNo, dude. Hal and WW would not give Thor and Surfer a run for their money. They'd be a small challange at best, and I'm not even sure about that, considering Herald of Galactus Surfer's new upgrades.
This Debate is truly rediculous. I don't care how powerful Thor and Surfer Are. HEll Wonder Woman and Hald Jordan could give these two a run for thier money.
You might be correct about the rest. I don't see how Thor and Surfer could swipe the entire lineup here without a bit of prep to ascertain weaknesses. Neither will the JLA sweep the duo aside.
Batman is a non-factor. Likewise Flash. Wonder Woman would go down quickly too (she doesn't have the durability to survive heavy hits from Thor or Surfer). MM's telepathy will be a nonfactor. Thor is a god and Surfer is notoriously resilient to mental attacks.
The JLA should take this; they have the two best GLs here, for goodness sakes! It won't be easy, however, and I'd predict that Supes and GL Hal would be the only ones standing when the dust clears.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
No, dude. Hal and WW would not give Thor and Surfer a run for their money. They'd be a small challange at best, and I'm not even sure about that, considering Herald of Galactus Surfer's new upgrades.You might be correct about the rest. I don't see how Thor and Surfer could swipe the entire lineup here without a bit of prep to ascertain weaknesses. Neither will the JLA sweep the duo aside.
Batman is a non-factor. Likewise Flash. Wonder Woman would go down quickly too (she doesn't have the durability to survive heavy hits from Thor or Surfer). MM's telepathy will be a nonfactor. Thor is a god and Surfer is notoriously resilient to mental attacks.
The JLA should take this; they have the two best GLs here, for goodness sakes! It won't be easy, however, and I'd predict that Supes and GL Hal would be the only ones standing when the dust clears.
You know nothing about Wonder Woman. She has fought Beings who are stronger than Silver Surfer and Thor. SHe has taken blast from Zeus and Been pummeled by an enraged Superman and a Doomsday clone who was just as powerful as the original. The flash could go into the Speed force and not even be touched. You should probably read more Dc comics.
Re: Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA
Originally posted by kgkg
Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLAJLA: Superman , Flash , Green Lantern(hal , kyle) , WW , MM , Batman
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlNo need to resort to accusations. I'm not saying Wonder Woman is weak. Far from, but she has been humbled quickly by Superman. Thor or Surfer could do the same (especially Surfer at his current levels).
You know nothing about Wonder Woman. She has fought Beings who are stronger than Silver Surfer and Thor. SHe has taken blast from Zeus and Been pummeled by an enraged Superman and a Doomsday clone who was just as powerful as the original. The flash could go into the Speed force and not even be touched. You should probably read more Dc comics.
Flash? He's fast, but hiding in the speed force won't help him and he really isn't strong enough to withstand either the Odinpower or the Power Cosmic. And the odds aren't good for Flash perpetually dodging Surfer or Thor. Both have godly reflexes, wide area attacks, and molecular/energy control.
I stand by my assessment: The JLA can take this, but Clark and Hal will be the only ones on their feet when all is said and done.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
No need to resort to accusations. I'm not saying Wonder Woman is weak. Far from, but she has been humbled quickly by Superman. Thor or Surfer could do the same (especially Surfer at his current levels).Flash? He's fast, but hiding in the speed force won't help him and he really isn't strong enough to withstand either the Odinpower or the Power Cosmic. And the odds aren't good for Flash perpetually dodging Surfer or Thor. Both have godly reflexes, wide area attacks, and molecular/energy control.
I stand by my assessment: The JLA can take this, but Clark and Hal will be the only ones on their feet when all is said and done.
Wonder Woman has never been shown to be Humbled by anyone. I hae every comic ever on her. If anything, she has been shown to do somethings to Superman that only beings like Doomsday and Zod have done. namely Break his bones and make him bleed. Kyle who is now the best GL ever and Hal who is the best old school Gl would make the surfer call on some heralds for assistance. The Two Best GL ever is too much for Surfer.
[QUOTE=3602736]Originally posted by Jason8200
GLs can move faster than the speed of light also. They have to travel from their planet to recharge their rings on Oa. They can move as fast as their "WILL" will allow them. Some GLs are limited to lightspeed because they think thats the fastest anyone can possibly go.
they do not travel to Oa to recharg their rings, they have small lanterns to do that. in the second issue of green lanturn rebirth it was stated that 90% of light speed is the fastest they can travel, to get to OA the open up a warp portal
Hal traveled to the 70th century before using his ring.
When DC and Marvel fought was one time Superman fought the Hulk. (One hit KO... lights out Hulk)
he did not knock out the Hulk, only stunned him. and becide people need to stop using that god awful DC / Marvel crossover as a refrence, it was a fan based publication not creator driven.
I can't find the issue number for the first time Superman and Hulk fought... but it pretty much ended in a stalemate because after days of fighting the Hulk finally calmed down when he ran out of energy and reverted back to Bruce Banner.
that didn't happen, as long asthe Hulk is fighting he would have energy, he is self powered, if anything Superman would be drained because he uses an outside power source
Learn more about GLs Cosmic... they can manipulate molecules also. Change their appearance... make inanimate objects animate. Make duplicates of themselves or others... time travel... create anything their imagination will allow them.
There is no way that Silver Surfer could fight and defeat two GLs at once. I will admit that he beat Kyle in DC vs Marvel... but that was a very inexperienced Kyle... and now look at how much Kyle has changed and he has actually mastered using his ring. Now you add Hal into that. Probably the greatest GL to ever live... has accomplished more than any other GL.
Kyle is a much more accomplished GL than Hal, Hla's just older and has a presence about him, but Silver Surver is one of the best matter manipulaters in all of comics plus if you add in the sheer amount of power at his disposal and varity of powers, one should see that no GL has a chance aganst SS. hell if the GL's have major trouble with the Manhunters they should be less than nothing to the weilder of the power cosmic.
Originally posted by complexbrother
[QUOTE=3602736]Originally posted by Jason8200
GLs can move faster than the speed of light also. They have to travel from their planet to recharge their rings on Oa. They can move as fast as their "WILL" will allow them. Some GLs are limited to lightspeed because they think thats the fastest anyone can possibly go.
they do not travel to Oa to recharg their rings, they have small lanterns to do that. in the second issue of green lanturn rebirth it was stated that 90% of light speed is the fastest they can travel, to get to OA the open up a warp portalHal traveled to the 70th century before using his ring.
When DC and Marvel fought was one time Superman fought the Hulk. (One hit KO... lights out Hulk)
he did not knock out the Hulk, only stunned him. and becide people need to stop using that god awful DC / Marvel crossover as a refrence, it was a fan based publication not creator driven.I can't find the issue number for the first time Superman and Hulk fought... but it pretty much ended in a stalemate because after days of fighting the Hulk finally calmed down when he ran out of energy and reverted back to Bruce Banner.
that didn't happen, as long asthe Hulk is fighting he would have energy, he is self powered, if anything Superman would be drained because he uses an outside power sourceLearn more about GLs Cosmic... they can manipulate molecules also. Change their appearance... make inanimate objects animate. Make duplicates of themselves or others... time travel... create anything their imagination will allow them.
There is no way that Silver Surfer could fight and defeat two GLs at once. I will admit that he beat Kyle in DC vs Marvel... but that was a very inexperienced Kyle... and now look at how much Kyle has changed and he has actually mastered using his ring. Now you add Hal into that. Probably the greatest GL to ever live... has accomplished more than any other GL.
Kyle is a much more accomplished GL than Hal, Hla's just older and has a presence about him, but Silver Surver is one of the best matter manipulaters in all of comics plus if you add in the sheer amount of power at his disposal and varity of powers, one should see that no GL has a chance aganst SS. hell if the GL's have major trouble with the Manhunters they should be less than nothing to the weilder of the power cosmic.
The point of this thread is that 6 of the most powerful Jla's ever against one Thor and One Silver Surfer just dont' add up. The Two best Gl's ever are going to beat Silver Surfer. And WW and Superman together are going to out punch Thor. He can't possbily hope to beat both of them. Then you have The flash and Martian Manhunter on hand to help who ever would need it if they even needed it. Surfer can put up a fight against MM's telepathy, but a telepath of MM's order will have Surfer slowed down. And fighting Two Gl's and being slowed down will mean that the surfer will be Ko'd
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlDid or did not Superman put Wonder Woman on her butt when he stopped holding back (when he thought she was Doomsday)? Thor or Surfer could do the same.
Wonder Woman has never been shown to be Humbled by anyone. I hae every comic ever on her. If anything, she has been shown to do somethings to Superman that only beings like Doomsday and Zod have done. namely Break his bones and make him bleed. Kyle who is now the best GL ever and Hal who is the best old school Gl would make the surfer call on some heralds for assistance. The Two Best GL ever is too much for Surfer.
Have you been keeping up with the Surfer? He's been given a major power boost by Galactus in the Annihilation crossover. He's walked unshielded through Herald-level power blasts like air and destroyed a planet with ease (while Surfer was on the planet, no less). Hal and Kyle could have put him down before the upgrade, but I don't think they could now. Ion-Kyle would be necessary and he's not in this fight.
A quick note on MM's telepathy: How will it slow Surfer down when Moondragon with the Mindgem and godlike-Cable's telepathy could not? Are you suggesting that MM is that far beyond Moondragon and Cable?
Again, I'm not saying Thor and Surfer will win, but the fight is not a curbstomp for the JLA.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This Debate is truly rediculous. I don't care how powerful Thor and Surfer Are. HEll Wonder Woman and Hald Jordan could give these two a run for thier money. You guys actually want to sit here and say that they can take on 6 of the leagues best members. Rediculous. I am sooo glad I like both comic companies and actually use logic when debating. I"m not gonna sit here and let people just unload a bunch of crap on the best Superteam in comics history.
I thought we were talking about the JLA not the Fantastic Four
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The point of this thread is that 6 of the most powerful Jla's ever against one Thor and One Silver Surfer just dont' add up. The Two best Gl's ever are going to beat Silver Surfer. And WW and Superman together are going to out punch Thor. He can't possbily hope to beat both of them. Then you have The flash and Martian Manhunter on hand to help who ever would need it if they even needed it. Surfer can put up a fight against MM's telepathy, but a telepath of MM's order will have Surfer slowed down. And fighting Two Gl's and being slowed down will mean that the surfer will be Ko'd
You are still ignorning that fact that the Surfer is MUCH faster than both Superman and the Green Lanterns, and an overwhelming 'win' strategy comes from the fact that the Surfer can also multitask.
He absorbs the Green Lantern's Oan energy, while he either sends Kryptonite radiation towards Superman, or encases him in Kryptonite-coated-adamantium.
Another Adamantium cage for Diana, and Thor won't even need to fight her.
The Surfer has control of ALL energies, so a speed-steal won't affect him. Not to mention that someone else mentioned that the Flash has been unable to steal the speed of gods.
Then, within the first billionth of a second, it's two on two. Flash and Manhunter versus the Surfer and Thor. Flash can't speed steal, or speed blitz, the most he could hope for is to drag them into the speed force and leave them there for a BFR, but that is unlikely considering the duo's force and speed. The manhunter's telepathy is great, but Surfer has resisted high powered telepathy in the past. I could honestly see this going to the Duo five out of ten....
Originally posted by complexbrother
I thought we were talking about the JLA not the Fantastic Four
When the Fantastic four take on Angels, a race of Super White martians, and have Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman on thier team ( the most famous and greatest of each of thier type) then yes, The fan four will be the best comics team in history.
Originally posted by Soljer
You are still ignorning that fact that the Surfer is MUCH faster than both Superman and the Green Lanterns, and an overwhelming 'win' strategy comes from the fact that the Surfer can also multitask.He absorbs the Green Lantern's Oan energy, while he either sends Kryptonite radiation towards Superman, or encases him in Kryptonite-coated-adamantium.
Another Adamantium cage for Diana, and Thor won't even need to fight her.
The Surfer has control of ALL energies, so a speed-steal won't affect him. Not to mention that someone else mentioned that the Flash has been unable to steal the speed of gods.
Then, within the first billionth of a second, it's two on two. Flash and Manhunter versus the Surfer and Thor. Flash can't speed steal, or speed blitz, the most he could hope for is to drag them into the speed force and leave them there for a BFR, but that is unlikely considering the duo's force and speed. The manhunter's telepathy is great, but Surfer has resisted high powered telepathy in the past. I could honestly see this going to the Duo five out of ten....
You honestly need to read some DC comics. Diana has the Sword of Hephestius. It will cut thru the Adamantium. And Let's not think that the Surfer is going to be fighting anyone moving that fast. He's never been shown to fight and move at those excessive speeds. He's been shown to travel. Also, The flash is so fast, He can see what the surfer would be trying to do, and lend speed to every one oh his team. don't believe me, read JLA heavens ladder when the flash moved so fast, that not even superman could react, and flash actually lended his speed to the teleporters at the jla watchtower. And as far as the Silver Surfer absorbing Oan energy, he'd have to over come thier wills first. He's not.
What kind of fight is this. lol.
JLA mop this up.
Shit, Hal and Supes could make this a hell of a match alone, add in the rest of the league, and it's over with. Two GL's on Surfer, with Martian Manhunter... then throw Flash, Supes, and Wondy on Thor, add Batman's strategies, it's a damn wrap. JLA would have to completely job to lose this one.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Did or did not Superman put Wonder Woman on her butt when he stopped holding back (when he thought she was Doomsday)? Thor or Surfer could do the same.Have you been keeping up with the Surfer? He's been given a major power boost by Galactus in the Annihilation crossover. He's walked unshielded through Herald-level power blasts like air and destroyed a planet with ease (while Surfer was on the planet, no less). Hal and Kyle could have put him down before the upgrade, but I don't think they could now. Ion-Kyle would be necessary and he's not in this fight.
A quick note on MM's telepathy: How will it slow Surfer down when Moondragon with the Mindgem and godlike-Cable's telepathy could not? Are you suggesting that MM is that far beyond Moondragon and Cable?
Again, I'm not saying Thor and Surfer will win, but the fight is not a curbstomp for the JLA.
Superman didnt' put Diana on her butt. Reread the comic. She was holding back because she knew he was being controlled. And she still got up and slowed him down. She could have killed him if she wanted to. And he could have killed her. Also, MM is above moondragon and Cable. MM defeated 70 White martian telepaths with his own telepathy. Not to mention that MM has powers that he hasn't even revealed yet. And it is in no way fair to use an upgraded surfer in this fight and use older version of Kyle and Flash. The new flash is even faster and more powerful than the old one.