Silver Surfer & Thor vs JLA

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
And flash CERTIANLY isint speedblitzing Surfer. Perhaps if this was a fight wiht 2 very strong -- but slow marvel characters, ide say flash would make this a landslide, but this is not the case. Surfer can and does move on levels that enable him to effectively deal with Flash, or atleast MULTIPLE jla members. And i think alot of people are [B]severely underrateing ss'es energy manipulation. Logically, SS would trash supes, and Last time i checked Gl's rings operates on willpower and forms of energy . correct me if im wrong, though. [/B]

If that were the case, Hal Jordan wouldnt' have been able to use oan energy to recreate the universe.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
And flash CERTIANLY isint speedblitzing Surfer. Perhaps if this was a fight wiht 2 very strong -- but slow marvel characters, ide say flash would make this a landslide, but this is not the case. Surfer can and does move on levels that enable him to effectively deal with Flash, or atleast MULTIPLE jla members. And i think alot of people are [B]severely underrateing ss'es energy manipulation. Logically, SS would trash supes, and Last time i checked Gl's rings operates on willpower and forms of energy . correct me if im wrong, though. [/B]

People keeping making it three on three, with the characters who need to fight at the battle they need to fight is just plain tactics, the JLA would put it the way they needed to for the win. Especially knowing what each character is capable of, via forum rules. And they're bloodlusted and going for the win asap? Thor and Surfer can fight any two JLA members and hang, but against the squad its over, you need to give it up.

They do this, they save a meteor from hitting Japan, then fly over and stop a war, and then hit up lunch at 11:30.

Originally posted by kgkg
u call me fan boy but u can't counter what i said 🙄

You know why every one assumes that, because martain manhunter will have read the minds of his enemies and know all of thier powers and capabilities. We are talking about the most efficiant fighting force ever to hit comics. THe JLA isn't dumb by a long shot. They aren't going to put Superman and WW against the Surfer. He could take out both of them. They are going for the win. A solid win. THOR and SS loose this one 8/10

Once again for the record.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes, you need to reread GL, iF the were the case, Hal Jordan wouldnt' have been able to use oan energy to recreate the universe.

not pre-existing energy, created energy. which is succeptable to manipulation

Just to point out, you're giving the JLA a healthy majority, but not a 10/10?

If that's the case, this match isn't incredibly lopsided. Lopsided matches are like those Wolverine vs. Superman threads you were talking about. The Surfer and Thor have a chance here, and that is all I'm arguing. You may think that the chance is only worth 2 wins, but I still see them taking four or five.

That is simply a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by Soljer
Just to point out, you're giving the JLA a healthy majority, but not a 10/10?

If that's the case, this match isn't incredibly lopsided. Lopsided matches are like those Wolverine vs. Superman threads you were talking about. The Surfer and Thor have a chance here, and that is all I'm arguing. You may think that the chance is only worth 2 wins, but I still see them taking four or five.

That is simply a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by Juntai
JLA have to utterly job to lose.

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Not really. Not considering that I've given a very pleasant method of victory for the duo. If the JLA had to Job, a simple, and well executed plan wouldn't be able to be thought up for the two.

Originally posted by Soljer
Just to point out, you're giving the JLA a healthy majority, but not a 10/10?

If that's the case, this match isn't incredibly lopsided. Lopsided matches are like those Wolverine vs. Superman threads you were talking about. The Surfer and Thor have a chance here, and that is all I'm arguing. You may think that the chance is only worth 2 wins, but I still see them taking four or five.

That is simply a matter of opinion.

I can see Thor and Silver Surfer Taking two if they happen to stumble upon someone's weakness During a battle. THings like that happen. Lighting and Cosmic energy tend to light things on fire. So they might be able to take Jonn out. If they happen to do that, then they could pull off a win. Like I said, Surfer can Take out Supers and WW easily. Tho Two Gl's are gonna Kabosh Thor. I like Even battles. This one is not Even. Now had the Op Threw in Sersi and Photon. that would have been much more even.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I can see Thor and Silver Surfer Taking two if they happen to stumble upon someone's weakness During a battle. THings like that happen. Lighting and Cosmic energy tend to light things on fire. So they might be able to take Jonn out. If they happen to do that, then they could pull off a win. Like I said, Surfer can Take out Supers and WW easily. Tho Two Gl's are gonna Kabosh Thor. I like Even battles. This one is not Even. Now had the Op Threw in Sersi and Photon. that would have been much more even.

Errm...considering the fact that the Surfer can scan minds, has cosmic awareness, and a martian's weakness to fire could be argued as common knowledge....I don't think the duo NEED stumble onto it. I mentioned it in my very first post, in fact. I also said that I was unsure of how the Manhunter has dealt with fire these days, he has shown resistance to it in the past.

Assuming that it affects him classically? Well then, Superman, the Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman AND J'onn could all be systematically disposed of by the Surfer within the first few billionths of a second.

Originally posted by Juntai
6 on 1 is too much for Surfer. Thor is non factor. Flash can cream him, Supes and Wondy can each put him down, the trio all at once is just way too much period. 2 Gls and Martian Manhunter attacking in coordination could EASILY hold off Surfer long enough for the other 3 to make it back.

People keeping making it three on three, with the characters who need to fight at the battle they need to fight is just plain tactics, the JLA would put it the way they needed to for the win. Especially knowing what each character is capable of, via forum rules. And they're bloodlusted and going for the win asap? Thor and Surfer can fight any two JLA members and hang, but against the squad its over, you need to give it up.

They do this, they save a meteor from hitting Japan, then fly over and stop a war, and then hit up lunch at 11:30.

Thor is a non factor when he is vastly outnumbered, but i dont see SS just letting thor get raped. SS has proven an incrdible multitasking ability and i think that he could rather quickly either force superman to stop "pounding" Thor, or sap him lifeless altogether. I think that the GL's are going to have thier powers used against them in this situation as well, virtually anything they could hope to create could be swiftly and easily manipulatd by Surfer. So considering this, Thor would still be a factor in this fight, it would probably come down to 1 GL, flash, WW and MM, and from there Perhaps Thor would be able to hang with WW for a while in hopes that SS could deal with Flash (which he is very capable of doing). Problems that could arise for Surfer would be in the form of constant mental harassment from MM, other than that, JLA flat out, isint cleaning up Thor and SS, and it is highlighted by Surfers speed and sheer vastness of powers

Originally posted by Soljer
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Not really. Not considering that I've given a very pleasant method of victory for the duo. If the JLA had to Job, a simple, and well executed plan wouldn't be able to be thought up for the two.

Originally posted by Juntai
JLA have to utterly job to lose.

Again, the JLA takes this, but only Supes and Kyle will be conscious afterward (yeah, I decided Hal needed a timeout instead of Kyle). Thor is a beast. Everyone here knows this. And Surfer has had a significant upgrade and proved his new power. That's what prevents this from being a curbstomp.

Originally posted by Soljer
Errm...considering the fact that the Surfer can scan minds, has cosmic awareness, and a martian's weakness to fire could be argued as common knowledge....I don't think the duo NEED stumble onto it. I mentioned it in my very first post, in fact. I also said that I was unsure of how the Manhunter has dealt with fire these days, he has shown resistance to it in the past.

Assuming that it affects him classically? Well then, Superman, the Green Lanterns, Wonder Woman AND J'onn could all be systematically disposed of by the Surfer within the first few billionths of a second.

If only they didn't have the flash who can give them all speed force and move them out of the way before surfer uses one iota of cosmic energy. The Quantum Mechanics where leagues beyond the Silver Surfer and much much faster, and yet the flash, reacted while the rest of the JLA stood frozen. No speed blitzing will be happening from Surfer.

And leaving 1 GL alive is giving them too much credit, due to SS'es sheer rawness

Green lantern(s) weakness is pertty much Silver Surfer

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Thor is a non factor when he is vastly outnumbered, but i dont see SS just letting thor get raped. SS has proven an incrdible multitasking ability and i think that he could rather quickly either force superman to stop "pounding" Thor, or sap him lifeless altogether. I think that the GL's are going to have thier powers used against them in this situation as well, virtually anything they could hope to create could be swiftly and [B]easily manipulatd by Surfer. So considering this, Thor would still be a factor in this fight, it would probably come down to 1 GL, flash, WW and MM, and from there Perhaps Thor would be able to hang with WW for a while in hopes that SS could deal with Flash (which he is very capable of doing). Problems that could arise for Surfer would be in the form of constant mental harassment from MM, other than that, JLA flat out, isint cleaning up Thor and SS, and it is highlighted by Surfers speed and sheer vastness of powers [/B]

Your whole plot is requiring them to job. They are many, on two fighters much smaller in number, they are going to be the ones laying the grounds for the fight, on who is going to fight who.

And given forum rules, they know what the others are capable of, and will react accordingly.

They are the greatest Superteam.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
I disagree. Thor and the upgraded Surfer are a threat, especially if the bloodlust is on for all parties. I don't see anyway for Flash to put Thor or Surfer down. The only guys that can do that are Supes and the GLs. WW and MM can hurt Surfer and Thor, but they aren't the deciding factor. If Surfer uses his Cosmic Awareness (as is likely in arena rules) then he will know Supes and MM's weakness and that causes more problems for the JLA. Martian Manhunter will not be able to do the same for reasons I've already stated (Thor's got godly protection and Surfer's mind is just darn hard to break into).

Again, the JLA takes this, but only Supes and Kyle will be conscious afterward (yeah, I decided Hal needed a timeout instead of Kyle). Thor is a beast. Everyone here knows this. And Surfer has had a significant upgrade and proved his new power. That's what prevents this from being a curbstomp.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If only they didn't have the flash who can give them all speed force and move them out of the way before surfer uses one iota of cosmic energy. The Quantum Mechanics where leagues beyond the Silver Surfer and much much faster, and yet the flash, reacted while the rest of the JLA stood frozen. No speed blitzing will be happening from Surfer.

Again, Flash isn't a factor. Raw power and Energy/Matter manipulation are the keys in this fight and Supes and the GLs have the best supply of it on the JLA team.

Originally posted by Acrosurge
There's no way you can argue that Flash will be able to do this consistantly. Surfer has godlike reflexes, cosmic awareness, and energy/matter manipulation. He will have the ability to counter any speed "upgrades" Flash tries. And Flash just doesn't have the durability to hang with the Surfer in a fight for any length of time.

Again, Flash isn't a factor. Raw power and Energy/Matter manipulation are the keys in this fight and Supes and the GLs have the best supply of it on the JLA team.

I can't seriously believe you guys are trying to convince anyone that Surfer can solo the JLA.

Seriously...it's just not happening. Any two people here save Batman can take Thor 10/10 with relative ease. Surfer is NOT going to systematically pick them apart without them completely jobbing.