Originally posted by kgkg
u wrong and most of the things u say are false....... back them up will ya 🙄
Silver Surfer has never Fought someone at his Uber speed. That doesn't make sense. They would be fighting across multiple galaxies while moving. Do you see how that sounds? He has been shown to use his uber speed to travel ONLY!
Originally posted by Juntai
What kind of fight is this. lol.JLA mop this up.
Shit, Hal and Supes could make this a hell of a match alone, add in the rest of the league, and it's over with. Two GL's on Surfer, with Martian Manhunter... then throw Flash, Supes, and Wondy on Thor, add Batman's strategies, it's a damn wrap. JLA would have to completely job to lose this one.
You think so? I think you are downplaying SS alot here. SS could unquesitonably Sap GL rendering him utterly useless. Batman is definately a non-factor in this scenario as his head would be knocked off nigh-instantainously. Supes would have a hard enough time with thor, combind with SS to perhaps weaken Supes, he would get crushed as wonderwoman sat in horror. Now i understand they are severely outnumbered, and the JLA are used to working together, thats not to say SS and Thor couldent atleast get just below half, or even Half of the wins here
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlhmm most comic fight with morg ...... etc are all the super speed in space...... Still you didn't back it up by anything.
Silver Surfer has never Fought someone at his Uber speed. That doesn't make sense. They would be fighting across multiple galaxies while moving. Do you see how that sounds? He has been shown to use his uber speed to travel ONLY!
SS at his normal level was doing what an amped up flash was doing in when fighting Zoom.
SS controls even Time itself...... speed means nothing to him
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You honestly need to read some DC comics. Diana has the Sword of Hephestius. It will cut thru the Adamantium. And Let's not think that the Surfer is going to be fighting anyone moving that fast. He's never been shown to fight and move at those excessive speeds. He's been shown to travel. Also, The flash is so fast, He can see what the surfer would be trying to do, and lend speed to every one oh his team. don't believe me, read JLA heavens ladder when the flash moved so fast, that not even superman could react, and flash actually lended his speed to the teleporters at the jla watchtower. And as far as the Silver Surfer absorbing Oan energy, he'd have to over come thier wills first. He's not.
It's nice to see you jumping to the conclusion that I don't read any DC comics; it exemplifies your bias quite well.
You yourself said in another thread that you were unsure whether Diana's sword could slice through adamantium or not. Make up your mind, don't decide something when it's conveinient.
Also, any speed feat the Flash has done, the Surfer can quite nearly match. So fast that superman can't react? That's exactly what's going to be happening in this match! Not to mention the Green Lantern's won't be able to react fast enough, so they won't be given time to will themselves to resist.
Pick up a marvel comic sometime.
Originally posted by kgkg
hmm most comic fight with morg ...... etc are all the super speed in space...... Still you didn't back it up by anything.SS at his normal level was doing what an amped up flash was doing in when fighting Zoom.
SS controls even Time itself...... speed means nothing to him
Your Fan boyism is showing. It is quite Illogical for these two to get an upper hand against these 6.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlDid you mean to infer that the Manhunter is above Moondragon with the Mind Gem? If you really believe that, then you are in fact quite DC biased.
Superman didnt' put Diana on her butt. Reread the comic. She was holding back because she knew he was being controlled. And she still got up and slowed him down. She could have killed him if she wanted to. And he could have killed her. Also, MM is above moondragon and Cable. MM defeated 70 White martian telepaths with his own telepathy. Not to mention that MM has powers that he hasn't even revealed yet. And it is in no way fair to use an upgraded surfer in this fight and use older version of Kyle and Flash. The new flash is even faster and more powerful than the old one.
The thread starter stated that the DC team would include GL Kyle and Hal. Not Ion Kyle (and from evidence, Kyle may not even be Ion now). No version of Thor or Surfer was stated, therefore I used the most recent version. As for the current Flash, wouldn't that be Bart Allen? Has he surpassed Wally in his experience with the Speedforce?
Exactly what is your argument with me? I said the JLA would take this in a costly battle. Are you upset that I suggested that Thor and Surfer should even be able to make a dent in this Uber JLA team?
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your Fan boyism is showing. It is quite Illogical for these two to get an upper hand against these 6.
Not neccessairily. It would wind up being 4 vs 2 really quick, Batman & hal are succeptable to instant death
not to mention a LIVING batman is pertty much useless in this fight
Originally posted by Soljer
It's nice to see you jumping to the conclusion that I don't read any DC comics; it exemplifies your bias quite well.You yourself said in another thread that you were unsure whether Diana's sword could slice through adamantium or not. Make up your mind, don't decide something when it's conveinient.
Also, any speed feat the Flash has done, the Surfer can quite nearly match. So fast that superman can't react? That's exactly what's going to be happening in this match! Not to mention the Green Lantern's won't be able to react fast enough, so they won't be given time to will themselves to resist.
Pick up a marvel comic sometime.
I read marvel comics all the time. I know that DC comics operate on an entirely differnt power lvl. First of all, if both teams are fighting, they have to know they are fighting, GL's are used to fighting beings as fast as the flash, So your telling me that they wont' be ready for the surfer. Get real.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555Supes can beat Thor solo, add Flash and Wondy, its absolutely no contest, they smear him like they would any random street thug.
You think so? I think you are downplaying SS alot here. SS could unquesitonably Sap GL rendering him utterly useless. Batman is definately a non-factor in this scenario as his head would be knocked off nigh-instantainously. Supes would have a hard enough time with thor, combind with SS to perhaps weaken Supes, he would get crushed as wonderwoman sat in horror. Now i understand they are severely outnumbered, and the JLA are used to working together, thats not to say SS and Thor couldent atleast get just below half, or even Half of the wins here
Give Surfer 2 GL's and Martian Manhunter, he's done for. He couldn't simultaneously fight off mental attacks from Jonn and hope to fight off 2 of the greatest GL's of all time, all at once. It's just plain not happening.
This is seriously a lopsided fight.
Thinking they throw down against an beefy bloodlusted JLA and expect to win majority? Shit, even Thanos could only dream of doing that and he's made light work of Thor and Surfer a number of times.
Originally posted by Acrosurge
Did you mean to infer that the Manhunter is above Moondragon with the Mind Gem? If you really believe that, then you are in fact quite DC biased.The thread starter stated that the DC team would include GL Kyle and Hal. Not Ion Kyle (and from evidence, Kyle may not even be Ion now). No version of Thor or Surfer was stated, therefore I used the most recent version. As for the current Flash, wouldn't that be Bart Allen? Has he surpassed Wally in his experience with the Speedforce?
Exactly what is your argument with me? I said the JLA would take this in a costly battle. Are you upset that I suggested that Thor and Surfer should even be able to make a dent in this Uber JLA team?
Of course bart has surpassed Wally in his use of the speed force. By the very nature of bart being all grown up and fighting Superboy prime for all those years in the Speed Force. And No, I think that these two cannot make a dent. it's two much stacked against them. Two Gl's and Superman and WW would be two much for these two. adding in Flash and MM is over kill if you ask me.
Originally posted by Juntai
Supes can beat Thor solo, add Flash and Wondy, its absolutely no contest, they smear him like they would any random street thug.Give Surfer 2 GL's and Martian Manhunter, he's done for. He couldn't simultaneously fight off mental attacks from Jonn and hope to fight off 2 of the greatest GL's of all time, all at once. It's just plain not happening.
This is seriously a lopsided fight.
Thinking they throw down against an beefy bloodlusted JLA and expect to win majority? Shit, even Thanos could only dream of doing that and he's made light work of Thor and Surfer a number of times.
Considering Surfers absolute matter manipulation, he could possibly nullify whatever The Gl's were trying to create, or ever interrupt them in the form of an energy blast before they could get thier thoughts in order. Thor and SS are clearly outnumberd here but this is in no way a lopsided fight. SS can beat Supes solo, and perhaps wonderwoman. Which would lead me to beleive the majority would go to the JLA but with several casualties. Im not saying JLA doesnt have a clear advantage, but SS & Thor could definately do serious damage and perhaps even take some of these matches
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Considering Surfers absolute matter manipulation, he could possibly nullify whatever The Gl's were trying to create, or ever interrupt them in the form of an energy blast before they could get thier thoughts in order. Thor and SS are clearly outnumberd here but this is in no way a lopsided fight. SS can beat Supes solo, and perhaps wonderwoman. Which would lead me to beleive the majority would go to the JLA but with several casualties. Im not saying JLA doesnt have a clear advantage, but SS & Thor could definately do serious damage and perhaps even take some of these matches
Dont' GL's have matter manip as well? Thier rings can literally do anything they will them to do. Putting the rings on the two most powerful and best Gl's ever is too much for Surfer.
Originally posted by ExtraMision5555I just don't see it. Thor is out of the fight. Don't even consider him part of it. Flash Wondy and Superman would beat him in a matter of seconds since they're bloodlusted. They give what they got and he's done for, no rebutle on that. Then it's 6 on 1. Surfer has no chance. The few amount of times that Surfer could even feasibly hope to pull a win is negated by that fact. This is seriously a landslide fight.
Considering Surfers absolute matter manipulation, he could possibly nullify whatever The Gl's were trying to create, or ever interrupt them in the form of an energy blast before they could get thier thoughts in order. Thor and SS are clearly outnumberd here but this is in no way a lopsided fight. SS can beat Supes solo, and perhaps wonderwoman. Which would lead me to beleive the majority would go to the JLA but with several casualties. Im not saying JLA doesnt have a clear advantage, but SS & Thor could definately do serious damage and perhaps even take some of these matches
Everyone keeps assuming that it will immediately go three on Surfer (Green Lanterns and the Manhunter) and three of Thor (Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash).
Also, they keep acting like it is going to be a physical confrontation. What they keep IGNORING is the fact that the Surfer is easily the fastest one here, and also the most versatile. He can immediately elminate half or more of the competition.
Does that mean they will win some great majority? Nah, but I could still see them taking the win half the time.
Originally posted by Soljer
Everyone keeps assuming that it will immediately go three on Surfer (Green Lanterns and the Manhunter) and three of Thor (Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash).Also, they keep acting like it is going to be a physical confrontation. What they keep IGNORING is the fact that the Surfer is easily the fastest one here, and also the most versatile. He can immediately elminate half or more of the competition.
Does that mean they will win some great majority? Nah, but I could still see them taking the win half the time.
NO, the surfer is not the Fastest on here. Flash can move fast enough that even the surfer would standing still to him. He can move an infinite number times light speed. In his future, He was moving so fast that he was literally a man who was every where and no where at the same time. Surfer is not speed blitzing anyone.
Originally posted by SoljerDoubtful. Flash lends speedforce to the team and he can will them to easily match anything Surfer can output.
Everyone keeps assuming that it will immediately go three on Surfer (Green Lanterns and the Manhunter) and three of Thor (Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash).Also, they keep acting like it is going to be a physical confrontation. What they keep IGNORING is the fact that the Surfer is easily the fastest one here, and also the most versatile. He can immediately elminate half or more of the competition.
Does that mean they will win some great majority? Nah, but I could still see them taking the win half the time.
Originally posted by Soljer
Everyone keeps assuming that it will immediately go three on Surfer (Green Lanterns and the Manhunter) and three of Thor (Superman, Wonder Woman, and Flash).Also, they keep acting like it is going to be a physical confrontation. What they keep IGNORING is the fact that the Surfer is easily the fastest one here, and also the most versatile. He can immediately elminate half or more of the competition.
Does that mean they will win some great majority? Nah, but I could still see them taking the win half the time.
You know why every one assumes that, because martain manhunter will have read the minds of his enemies and know all of thier powers and capabilities. We are talking about the most efficiant fighting force ever to hit comics. THe JLA isn't dumb by a long shot. They aren't going to put Superman and WW against the Surfer. He could take out both of them. They are going for the win. A solid win. THOR and SS loose this one 8/10
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, the surfer is not the Fastest on here. Flash can move fast enough that even the surfer would standing still to him. He can move an infinite number times light speed. In his future, He was moving so fast that he was literally a man who was every where and no where at the same time. Surfer is not speed blitzing anyone.
And flash CERTIANLY isint speedblitzing Surfer. Perhaps if this was a fight wiht 2 very strong -- but slow marvel characters, ide say flash would make this a landslide, but this is not the case. Surfer can and does move on levels that enable him to effectively deal with Flash, or atleast MULTIPLE jla members. And i think alot of people are severely underrateing ss'es energy manipulation. Logically, SS would trash supes, and Last time i checked Gl's rings operates on willpower and forms of energy . correct me if im wrong, though.